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pancreas

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« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2020, 11:20:21 AM »
Was looking for something more like this:

Quote from: All socialists on tasting the Freeman Lacrimations
No sooner had the warm liquid, and the crumbs with it, touched my palate, a shudder ran through my whole body, and I stopped, intent upon the extraordinary changes that were taking place. An exquisite pleasure had invaded my senses, but individual, detached, with no suggestion of its origin. And at once the vicissitudes of life had become indifferent to me, its disasters innocuous, its brevity illusory--this new sensation having had on me the effect which love has of filling me with a precious essence; or rather this essence was not in me, it was myself. I had ceased now to feel mediocre, accidental, mortal. Whence could it have come to me, this all-powerful joy? I was conscious that it was connected with the taste of tea and cake, but that it
infinitely transcended those savours, could not, indeed, be of the same nature as theirs. Whence did it come? What did it signify? How could I seize upon and define it?

The tears of Hadley Freeman. Better than sex.
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TrenterPercenter

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« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2020, 11:24:43 AM »
Predictable response from people that are  (rightly) angry about the Guardians behaviour.

I've just started subbing it and DDN. 

Now before you reach for the angry CAB wit bombs, here are my reasons

1. I consider all of my sub going to paying Gary Younges wages - the best journalist they have by a country mile (and if you remember the person that actually went and faced down an actual Nazi rather than sat on their arses in their London flat smearing Corbyn supporters).

2. More established leftwing media needs time to develop.  There is a good argument about market share that the Guardian might be taking up however it can also bleed into leftwing media and this benefit is greater.

I would advise people to support the Guardian if it is financially feasible for them, and yes for the greater good.  After big leftist push on twitter yesterday, the usually suspects are largely missing from comment pages (I think it's just Kettle, Behr and Hinscliff in any prominent position), maybe this isn't just opportunism (yes i know it probably is) but a tiny bit of evidence of change.

Just my thoughts.  Over to you to shout fuck off at me.
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Lisa Jesusandmarychain

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« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2020, 11:27:35 AM »
Seems a fucking stupid decision to me. Why not just go digital for the weekdays, then publish a nice , paper version on Saturday, with all those lovely supplements?
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pancreas

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« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2020, 11:29:22 AM »
It's not really a question of whether we lynch you, Trenter, but how much.
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BlodwynPig

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« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2020, 11:34:00 AM »
Quote from: idunnosomename on July 16, 2020, 11:03:29 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/HadleyFreeman/status/1283652632675078144

Mmm let me taste your tears hadley mm hahhaha

The death of the middle class. BYE BYE ALL YOUR ASIPRATION ARE MINE
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Buelligan

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« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2020, 11:35:54 AM »
Whilst the Guardian continues to exist it will continue to suck in the revenue that well-meaning people give it, revenue that could be providing a platform for Younge, Jones and so on, without compromising them, it could support and grow the careers of, as yet unknown, new talent.  Use your money to do something useful if you have any.
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TrenterPercenter

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« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2020, 11:37:25 AM »
Quote from: pancreas on July 16, 2020, 11:29:22 AM
It's not really a question of whether we lynch you, Trenter, but how much.

May I request a clean pitchfork? and preferably one with an eco-friendly day-glow grip as reviewed by Rhik Samadder.
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pancreas

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« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2020, 11:37:46 AM »
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BlodwynPig

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« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2020, 11:40:30 AM »
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Sebastian Cobb

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« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2020, 11:42:06 AM »
Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 16, 2020, 11:24:43 AM

2. More established leftwing media needs time to develop.  There is a good argument about market share that the Guardian might be taking up however it can also bleed into leftwing media and this benefit is greater.


So why not put your funds towards that instead then?

Let something better rise from the ashes.
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TrenterPercenter

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« Reply #70 on: July 16, 2020, 11:42:55 AM »
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TrenterPercenter

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« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2020, 11:44:23 AM »
Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on July 16, 2020, 11:42:06 AM
So why not put your funds towards that instead then?

Let something better rise from the ashes.

Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 16, 2020, 11:24:43 AM

I've just started subbing it and DDN. 

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BlodwynPig

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« Reply #72 on: July 16, 2020, 11:45:00 AM »
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notjosh

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« Reply #73 on: July 16, 2020, 11:46:52 AM »
Quote from: Buelligan on July 16, 2020, 10:44:20 AM
Problem is, the Guardian's been enthusiastically pushing this poison for years.  Really pushing it.  Even if every one of those cunts gets the chop (which they won't) that decision, that culture, is still at the heart.  Give your money to DoubleDown, Novara or Tribune.  All of them.

Those are all mainly opinion and analysis though aren't they? What if I just want some news without any kind of ideological filter? As frustrating as The Guardian Opinion section can be, the actual news content (it seems to me) is of a good quality, and is written by actual journalists who carry out original research and do their due diligence. How many other outlets are there in the UK that offer this?
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Old Nehamkin

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« Reply #74 on: July 16, 2020, 11:49:48 AM »
Quote from: notjosh on July 16, 2020, 11:46:52 AM
What if I just want some news without any kind of ideological filter?

There is no such thing.
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Sebastian Cobb

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« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2020, 11:50:35 AM »
reuters, maybe.
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pancreas

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« Reply #76 on: July 16, 2020, 11:51:43 AM »
Quote from: notjosh on July 16, 2020, 11:46:52 AM
Those are all mainly opinion and analysis though aren't they? What if I just want some news without any kind of ideological filter? As frustrating as The Guardian Opinion section can be, the actual news content (it seems to me) is of a good quality, and is written by actual journalists who carry out original research and do their due diligence. How many other outlets are there in the UK that offer this?

Perhaps you would like to examine its Venezuela reporting in comparison with, for example,

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v41/n04/tony-wood/the-battle-for-venezuela
or
https://novaramedia.com/2019/02/05/the-coup-in-venezuela-explained/
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Lisa Jesusandmarychain

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« Reply #77 on: July 16, 2020, 11:52:01 AM »
Couldn't they just sack off The Observer instead? Now, there's a paper that's a right load of old bollocks, Stewart Lee even deliberately writes his unfunniest, shittest routines for it.

I'm going to miss that fucking magazine. Highlights would be getting more than 50% of the questions right in the weekend quiz in there, having a nice, warm feeling when the two people on the Blind Date thing really got on with each other, and were obviously going to meet again and shag each other, OR when they both obviously thought that each other were cunts and didn't get on at all, and that feller with the lazy eye used to write something mildly amusing on an average of one in three columns.
Isn't anyone else going to miss their Weekend Guardian? End of an era, mate.
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pancreas

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« Reply #78 on: July 16, 2020, 11:52:44 AM »
Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on July 16, 2020, 11:52:01 AM
Isn't anyone else going to miss their Weekend Guardian? End of an era, mate.

Prozac for cunts.
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BlodwynPig

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« Reply #79 on: July 16, 2020, 11:52:53 AM »
Quote from: notjosh on July 16, 2020, 11:46:52 AM
Those are all mainly opinion and analysis though aren't they? What if I just want some news without any kind of ideological filter? As frustrating as The Guardian Opinion section can be, the actual news content (it seems to me) is of a good quality, and is written by actual journalists who carry out original research and do their due diligence. How many other outlets are there in the UK that offer this?

Like C4 news, it is somewhat libertarian in tone despite having an aura of neutrality.
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BlodwynPig

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« Reply #80 on: July 16, 2020, 11:53:46 AM »
Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on July 16, 2020, 11:52:01 AM
Couldn't they just sack off The Observer instead? Now, there's a paper that's a right load of old bollocks, Stewart Lee even deliberately writes his unfunniest, shittest routines for it.

I'm going to miss that fucking magazine. Highlights would be getting more than 50% of the questions right in the weekend quiz in there, having a nice, warm feeling when the two people on the Blind Date thing really got on with each other, and were obviously going to meet again and shag each other, OR when they both obviously thought that each other were cunts and didn't get on at all, and that feller with the lazy eye used to write something mildly amusing on an average of one in three columns.
Isn't anyone else going to miss their Weekend Guardian? End of an era, mate.

It became shit at the turn of the millennium.
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Wet Blanket

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« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2020, 11:57:26 AM »
Political failings aside, I for one am flabbergasted that a business model of giving away all your content for free whilst simultaneously investing in madcap ideas like new printing presses for niche format sizes that you ultimately abandon along with trendy new real estate is not viable in the long term.

If I was in charge I'd close down the newspapers and relaunch 'The Guardian and Observer' as a political weekly along the lines of the Spectator and New Statesman
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Sebastian Cobb

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« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2020, 12:02:01 PM »
I used to read the New Statesman (onine) but fucked it off for doing broadly the same thing The Guardian did to the left in the Corbyn era. That can burn down for all I care as well.
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notjosh

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« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2020, 12:03:01 PM »
Quote from: pancreas on July 16, 2020, 11:51:43 AM
Perhaps you would like to examine its Venezuela reporting in comparison with, for example,

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v41/n04/tony-wood/the-battle-for-venezuela
or
https://novaramedia.com/2019/02/05/the-coup-in-venezuela-explained/

I see your point, but as important as it is to read a diverse section of news it's also very useful to have a default news source that serves as your 'front page' for the news, and can be relied upon to report most things of consequence. The Guardian serves this purpose well. The London Review of Books is hardly going to become my main news source. I'm also not going to watch a 40-minute video of a bloke talking at the camera when the information could be much more succinctly delivered in prose.
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TrenterPercenter

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« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2020, 12:04:32 PM »
Quote from: notjosh on July 16, 2020, 11:46:52 AM
Those are all mainly opinion and analysis though aren't they? What if I just want some news without any kind of ideological filter? As frustrating as The Guardian Opinion section can be, the actual news content (it seems to me) is of a good quality, and is written by actual journalists who carry out original research and do their due diligence. How many other outlets are there in the UK that offer this?

Sadly this isn't 100% true.  During their Corbyn bashing years they started mixing opinion pieces with news and especially in the LIVE news threads.  From a news only perspective they absolutely failed at providing any balance or questioning any of the reports that where given.  Freeman is banging on about "pisses off all sides" but on DDN news there is piece from David Greaber about the weaponisation of Anti-semitism that could not exist on the Guardian, why? Are we not to hear all sides? No chasing "what" you put in your news, rather than is what you choose to report factually correct (they failed here several times also) is an decision and act in itself.

They know this.
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Zetetic

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« Reply #85 on: July 16, 2020, 12:07:00 PM »
Quote from: Wet Blanket on July 16, 2020, 11:57:26 AM
is not viable in the long term.
In the case of The Guardian, it absolutely is, which makes the cuts more interesting.
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notjosh

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« Reply #86 on: July 16, 2020, 12:08:17 PM »
Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 16, 2020, 12:04:32 PM
Sadly this isn't 100% true.  During their Corbyn bashing years they started mixing opinion pieces with news and especially in the LIVE news threads.  From a news only perspective they absolutely failed at providing any balance or questioning any of the reports that where given.

Not 100%, but the question is whether there is a publication in the UK that has a higher percentage of reliable reportage?
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idunnosomename

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« Reply #87 on: July 16, 2020, 12:08:41 PM »
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Next year, as austerity grinds on, as we crash out of the EU to find ourselves with Donald Trump as our last ally, they will run candidates against Corbyn and ask for your support. That will be the moment when you need to look at your country and ask whether this was what you wanted when you first cheered “Jeremy” on.

In my respectful opinion, your only honourable response will be to stop being a fucking fool by changing your fucking mind.


http://web.archive.org/web/20190510201025/https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/19/jeremy-corbyn-labour-threat-party-election-support
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BlodwynPig

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« Reply #88 on: July 16, 2020, 12:15:32 PM »
Quote from: TrenterPercenter on July 16, 2020, 12:04:32 PM
Sadly this isn't 100% true.  During their Corbyn bashing years they started mixing opinion pieces with news and especially in the LIVE news threads.  From a news only perspective they absolutely failed at providing any balance or questioning any of the reports that where given.  Freeman is banging on about "pisses off all sides" but on DDN news there is piece from David Greaber about the weaponisation of Anti-semitism that could not exist on the Guardian, why? Are we not to hear all sides? No chasing "what" you put in your news, rather than is what you choose to report factually correct (they failed here several times also) is an decision and act in itself.

They know this.

More sides than a neckbeards die collection
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« Reply #89 on: July 16, 2020, 12:16:51 PM »
Quote from: pancreas on July 16, 2020, 11:06:46 AM
What do they taste like? Give me the full Proust.

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