Labour Party Desolation v2: a beige loafer stamping on a human face forever

[thugler]

Naïve, blethering, misguided...and wrong.

Perhaps actually bother to explain why.

[ZoyzaSorris]

You're an idiot?

[Buelligan]

Perhaps actually bother to explain why.

Apart from things like backing Keith and then twisting every way you can to excuse his behaviour?

Maybe failing to appreciate that, if the Labour Party issues a legal document stating that named individuals have acted, not only legally or appropriately but actively positively well, you'll have no chance at all of saying those same named people are a bunch of conniving cunts - even if you have evidence of it in their own words.  Issuing that statement indicates to me that either Keith is extremely stupid or he's actively working to protect those individuals.

[BlodwynPig]

Perhaps actually bother to explain why.

Obvs.

[pancreas]

So she's a fucking idiot now? Yet we should all have voted for her apparently.

I think you'll find that we said at the time she was a fucking idiot. This was part of her appearance in front of the event organised by JLM where she described herself as a Zionist. As did Nandy. Even Keith wasn't that stupid. And we would be calling her an idiot now if she had got elected and done the same thing.

That doesn't stop her from being the best of a bad lot, by far.

[jobotic]

Just Flung a Fiver For Jezza

https://gf.me/u/yhkz9a

It's at £156,000 now.

Those who say it's because we are desperate are people who have no concept of solidarity.

[Emma Raducanu]

Me too.

[Thomas]

Just Flung a Fiver For Jezza

https://gf.me/u/yhkz9a

It's at £156,000 now.

Those who say it's because we are desperate are people who have no concept of solidarity.

Seen a few asking 'why donate to this when you could be donating to a foodbank?????'

Well, a) you can donate to both, and many more besides if you have the cash, and b) do these people barge into cafes demanding to know why everybody's spending their money on coffee at that particular moment instead of good causes?

[Buelligan]

Any work or money given to politics (or anything else that doesn't directly benefit selected good causes) could be condemned in that way, as you point out Thomas.  I mean, why give to a foodbank (where possible miscreants might receive succour) when you can give your money directly to God (who is far wiser than us and will know just how to spend it)?

[honeychile]

Seen a few asking 'why donate to this when you could be donating to a foodbank?????'

Well, a) you can donate to both, and many more besides if you have the cash, and b) do these people barge into cafes demanding to know why everybody's spending their money on coffee at that particular moment instead of good causes?

And also, because c) if everyone stood with Corbyn and supported the political project which he spearheaded, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR FUCKING FOOD BANKS.

[Emma Raducanu]

Someone just donated £4500.

[honeychile]

Fucking hell, you ain't even lying. And Brian Eno chipping in handsomely:

[NoSleep]

So she's a fucking idiot now? Yet we should all have voted for her apparently.

She was the decent choice. It was apparent that she was the decent choice and that Warmer would do what we see he is doing now, we warned you, and it was obvious. You believed the liar.

[jobotic]

Is it wise to donate as Rachel Riley or Kier Starmer?

There'll be legal action taken...it's quite the latest thing.

[Thomas]

Fucking hell, you ain't even lying. And Brian Eno chipping in handsomely:

Is there any way to verify that certain high-profile names are genuine? I mean, that's a lot of cash for a perfectly believable fake name, and I don't doubt that Eno might contribute - he did shell out for Corbyn's hat.

It's just that I also saw a B. Netanyahu chipping in a tenner earlier.

[ZoyzaSorris]

Barry Netanyahu, he lives down the road from me, always have to have a word with him, singing 'Oooh Jeremy Crobbins' at all hours of the day and night.

[Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle]

You proud of the way your lot are behaving?

Yes you probably are.

My lot? Wouldn't say that. 

Anyway not sure what to make of this.  I do like Starmer, he's head and shoulders above grandad as a leader, but all this infighting isn't doing anyone any good, apart from the torys.

[Sebastian Cobb]

Anyway not sure what to make of this.  I like do Starmer but all this infighting isn't doing anyone any good, apart from the torys.

But what does unity bring? One of the biggest obstacles to any sort of left-wing awakening in this country is smug, centre-right hacks obfuscating left ideas by pretending they are as far left as it gets.

[Paul Calf]

My lot? Wouldn't say that. 

Anyway not sure what to make of this.  I do like Starmer, he's head and shoulders above grandad as a leader, but all this infighting isn't doing anyone any good, apart from the torys.

We know what you are.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leak-report-corbyn-election-whatsapp-antisemitism-tories-yougov-poll-a9462456.html


Do you understand? We know what you are.

[Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle]

But what does unity bring? One of the biggest obstacles to any sort of left-wing awakening in this country is smug, centre-right hacks obfuscating left ideas by pretending they are as far left as it gets.

You can't really control what individual hacks write.  But surely unity within the party is required to bring about a common purpose, which should be kicking the Torys out?  That should be the ultimate focus, no?

[Paul Calf]

We know what you are.

[Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle]

We know what you are.

Erm OK.  Do you know what the electorate are?   You know, everyone who voted labour all thier lives, but couldn't and wouldn't vote for Corbyn? Are they all "centrist scum" as well?

[Schrodingers Cat]

But surely unity within the party is required to bring about a common purpose, which should be kicking the Torys out?  That should be the ultimate focus, no?

Wrong. This is what the Labour right, and self defined centrists don't get. Winning the election and booting out the Tories is step one - it's part of the ultimate focus. The focus should be on building a fairer (and more sustainable) society. Too many like you see politics as a game, in which all that matters is "my side won", without the follow up of "what does that mean?", and "what are we going to do with power now we have it?". There is no value whatsoever in a Labour victory if all it does is enact 90% of Tory policies, only slightly less so. Apologetically selling off the NHS rather than triumphally. Cutting services with a heavy heart instead of a grin. Only ever representing the bosses over the workers, because it's the only sensible solution.

Arguably its worse than a Tory win in the long term, as it presents itself as being in the interests of the people whilst actively fighting against them. And completely shuts down dissenting leftist voices and opinions, which a true centrist should want. The Tories aren't going to stop being right wing. The left needs a voice in British politics or we will continue to slide rightwards, which the shortsighted Labour right either don't understand, or actively want.

[Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle]

Wrong. This is what the Labour right, and self defined centrists don't get. Winning the election and booting out the Tories is step one - it's part of the ultimate focus. The focus should be on building a fairer (and more sustainable) society. Too many like you see politics as a game, in which all that matters is "my side won", without the follow up of "what does that mean?", and "what are we going to do with power now we have it?". There is no value whatsoever in a Labour victory if all it does is enact 90% of Tory policies, only slightly less so. Apologetically selling off the NHS rather than triumphally. Cutting services with a heavy heart instead of a grin. Only ever representing the bosses over the workers, because it's the only sensible solution.

Arguably its worse than a Tory win in the long term, as it presents itself as being in the interests of the people whilst actively fighting against them. And completely shuts down dissenting leftist voices and opinions, which a true centrist should want. The Tories aren't going to stop being right wing. The left needs a voice in British politics or we will continue to slide rightwards, which the shortsighted Labour right either don't understand, or actively want.

Do you honestly belive that Starmer would enact 90% of Tory polices?  I just don't think you're being realistic here.  The hard left don't seem willing to compromise on anything.  It's either 100% or nothing - nothing being Tory rule.  If you're happy with that, then that's your prerogative.  I'm not.

[Sebastian Cobb]

Wrong. This is what the Labour right, and self defined centrists don't get. Winning the election and booting out the Tories is step one - it's part of the ultimate focus. The focus should be on building a fairer (and more sustainable) society. Too many like you see politics as a game, in which all that matters is "my side won", without the follow up of "what does that mean?", and "what are we going to do with power now we have it?". There is no value whatsoever in a Labour victory if all it does is enact 90% of Tory policies, only slightly less so. Apologetically selling off the NHS rather than triumphally. Cutting services with a heavy heart instead of a grin. Only ever representing the bosses over the workers, because it's the only sensible solution.

Arguably its worse than a Tory win in the long term, as it presents itself as being in the interests of the people whilst actively fighting against them. And completely shuts down dissenting leftist voices and opinions, which a true centrist should want. The Tories aren't going to stop being right wing. The left needs a voice in British politics or we will continue to slide rightwards, which the shortsighted Labour right either don't understand, or actively want.

This is a brilliant post articulated much better than I could put it. Wonderful.

Yes, I am going to either badly paraphrase it or perhaps even wholesale cut and paste it in arguments elsewhere, cheers.

[Sebastian Cobb]

Do you honestly belive that Starmer would enact 90% of Tory polices?  I just don't think you're being realistic here.  The hard left don't seem willing to compromise on anything.  It's either 100% or nothing - nothing being Tory rule.  If you're happy with that, then that's your prerogative.  I'm not.

Define hard left. Corbynistas aren't in fact Baader-Meinhof.

[Mrs Wogans lemon drizzle]

Define hard left. Corbynistas aren't in fact Baader-Meinhof.

I would say a couple of characteristics include those who aggressively define people with a moderate view who don't share their ideological purism as "centrist scum", and who isn't willing to compromise on their ideals.

[Jockice]

This is a brilliant post articulated much better than I could put it.

Agreed! Better than I could put it as well I mean.

[Sebastian Cobb]

I would say a couple of characteristics include those who aggressively define people with a moderate view who don't share their ideological purism as "centrist scum", and who isn't willing to compromise on their ideals.

This capitulating is the reason the centre only moves rightwards.

Throughout my life, Labour's greatest achievements have been to hit the pause button on Tory policy. That's not good enough.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Jeremy's mate has been busy today!

Wiley
@WileyCEO

Jewish people you are cowards and you can't chat to me Cos I am the boss