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Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
« Reply #180 on: December 30, 2020, 09:26:23 AM »
Also it's not really a double standard, is it?  One joke affects a solitary person, whereas the other targets a minority.
Oh, come on. The Harvey Price bit was a patchwork of ableist slurs. To the extent broadcasting that sort of thing “affects” anyone, I fail to see how attaching the routine to specific people mitigates the content. He even says in some poorly thought-out attempt to justify the material in that interview with Richard Osman that he handpicked characteristics that aren’t actually associated with Harvey Price’s specific conditions.

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« Reply #181 on: December 30, 2020, 09:50:38 AM »
Boyle is a hypocrite who cynically deployed edgy humour to advance his career when it was expedient (and more socially acceptable) to do so, but he does seem like a real flawed human being, whereas Gervais comes across as an insane megalomaniacal psychopath leading an army of possessed gaslighting radicals, so I’m still on team Boyle for this one.

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« Reply #182 on: December 30, 2020, 10:29:10 AM »
The amount of people on Twitter leaping to Ricky's defence is staggering. Comments like this:

https://twitter.com/DreyfusJames/status/1343634363892817920?s=19

Feels like he's brainwashed half his followers into blind, cult-like worship
hahaha "the tower of Babylon"

James Dreyfus is a fucking gullible idiot. Him weirdly praising Chris Langham is also incredible. Yes Chris was a great performer but saying that to him like evaporates the consequences of his behaviour as if his criminal conviction doesnt matter because he is a good comedy man

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« Reply #183 on: December 30, 2020, 10:45:01 AM »
Well, of course you can, as that's also free speech. And people are then, in turn, free to point out your hypocrisy.

I can't stand it when people do this. It always spoils the joke.

And for what? It never seems to top it with a better joke - instead it's always just low-effort 'gotcha' shit. A child's "ommm, I'm telling". Who the fuck gets any enjoyment from reading that?

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« Reply #184 on: December 30, 2020, 10:51:14 AM »
The GC goons on Twitter must have some severe cognitive dissonance when they deny being transphobic. But whenever anyone condemns transphobia, they leap to its defence. It's like when Sainsbury's said "no racists in our store please," and definitely-not-racist Lawrence Fox said "fuck you, I'm never going in one again if you don't want me."

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« Reply #185 on: December 31, 2020, 02:19:25 AM »
So Boyle isn't allowed to criticise Gervais because he's a hypocrite?

Also it's not really a double standard, is it?  One joke affects a solitary person, whereas the other targets a minority.  But yeah, something about Ricky punching down and Boyle punching up.

Of course it's a double standard. The individual concerned was a disabled child. That's bad enough but imagine all the other disabled kids whose lives were made worse because of the joke.

Its hard for me because my brother is disabled and very vulnerable but, on balance, I think we should, for reasons of free speech, be allowed to make jokes about anything. Nobody is forced to hear them. And that's where I presumed Frankie stood on the matter. Fair enough. But, no. He says there actually is a line you can't cross and it happens to be wherever he arbitrarily draws it. Forgive me, but that is hypocrisy.

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« Reply #186 on: December 31, 2020, 02:20:07 AM »
Reminds me of a bloke I used to work with. The first conversation I had with him on his first day (I happened to go up to the office in the goods lift at the same time as him) was about whether I was 'politically correct.' It was clear that he saw himself as some sort of loose-lipped verbal gunslinger and indeed he did do all the racist, sexist, disablist stuff, always with a veil of 'irony.'

Then one day I said something offhand about a subject he obviously didn't think was a laughing matter (not saying what it is and I didn't know this at the time but it turned out to be something that had affected his family) and his face fell. I swear I could see tears forming in his eyes and he immediately turned round and walked out of the room. Aw come on mate, I was only having a laugh there. Can't you take a joke? Etc.


This is exactly it. I suspect we've all met people like this.

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« Reply #187 on: December 31, 2020, 02:21:16 AM »
Well, of course you can, as that's also free speech. And people are then, in turn, free to point out your hypocrisy.

Great. Thanks for summarising the discussion.

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« Reply #188 on: December 31, 2020, 02:23:16 AM »
Oh, come on. The Harvey Price bit was a patchwork of ableist slurs. To the extent broadcasting that sort of thing “affects” anyone, I fail to see how attaching the routine to specific people mitigates the content. He even says in some poorly thought-out attempt to justify the material in that interview with Richard Osman that he handpicked characteristics that aren’t actually associated with Harvey Price’s specific conditions.

Ha! Worst excuse ever.

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« Reply #189 on: December 31, 2020, 08:44:32 AM »
You don't have to be a genius to know he is a coward and decided to mock a disabled child who had a celebrity mother which made Harvey Price free game, he knew this gave him the security to make the joke. I don't know why he didn't do impressions of him being blind.

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« Reply #190 on: December 31, 2020, 08:51:11 AM »
he handpicked characteristics that aren’t actually associated with Harvey Price’s specific conditions.

Being a tendency to rape, as that's what the joke was about, or was it part of a longer sequence?

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« Reply #191 on: December 31, 2020, 09:27:39 AM »
Being a tendency to rape, as that's what the joke was about, or was it part of a longer sequence?

Yeah, but all disableds have that tendency. Which is somehow crossed with asexuality. We're weird us lot. Best avoided.
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« Reply #192 on: December 31, 2020, 09:30:20 AM »
Being a tendency to rape, as that's what the joke was about, or was it part of a longer sequence?
Handpicked a characteristic then, but yes. He said Harvey Price’s autism would make it more likely that he would avoid physical contact with other people. ETA and just to be clear, I don’t think “tendency to rape” is a characteristic of any disability, Boyle’s joke is obviously playing into the wider trope of learning disabled people being Of Mice and Men style brutes who can’t control their impulses.

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« Reply #193 on: December 31, 2020, 09:54:19 AM »
I think it would be funny to joke about Harvey Price falling on top of Frankie's face and not getting up for a long time.

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« Reply #194 on: December 31, 2020, 02:11:40 PM »
Shallow side note , but something about Boyle’s voice in a discussion puts me on edge. He always sounds to me like he’s talking through gritted teeth and might lamp the person he’s chatting with if they say the wrong thing.

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« Reply #195 on: December 31, 2020, 03:13:04 PM »
I thought he sounded rather posh and limp wristed in that recent Louis interview.

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« Reply #196 on: January 01, 2021, 01:06:28 AM »
I thought he sounded rather deep and nasally, and prone to summing situations up based on thoughts that occurred to him when leaving a certain area.

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« Reply #197 on: January 01, 2021, 12:04:31 PM »
In his recent interview with Ash Sarkar, Boyle described his older persons as 'nihilistic'. I don't like any of his material - and agree that it was catnip for bullies - but fair enough. He doesn't have to hide behind explanations for it. Contrast with Gervais who's all about explaining his comedy, to the point that the material is an afterthought.

I think Boyle really does see that the trans routine is rotten and lazy, but his main attack line - that Gervais chooses to identify as a stand up comedian - suggests that his issue is with Gervais's charlatanism more than anything else. I reckon Boyle thinks it's okay to say whatever hateful shit you want so long as you've paid your dues on the circuit.

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« Reply #198 on: January 01, 2021, 10:31:29 PM »
Presumably it's "most watched in the world" not of all time, but just in the particular period when a lot of people were watching it. Most watched of that year, perhaps. (Or maybe even just most watched on Netflix.)

Seeing that the most watched new British comedy of 2020 was the Blankety Blank special with Bradley Walsh made me think about this again: Netflix doesn't release its viewing figures, so "most watched in the world" wrt a Netflix show could only possibly refer to most watched on Netflix according to Netflix's own charts.

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« Reply #200 on: May 03, 2021, 08:21:28 PM »
dropping by to ring the bell - Ricky has confirmed that afterlife 3 might be 'his best work yet'!

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« Reply #201 on: May 03, 2021, 08:40:05 PM »
dropping by to ring the bell - Ricky has confirmed that afterlife 3 might be 'his best work yet'!

It's nice that he helps his echo chamber with their tweeting. Sycophancy can be taxing.

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« Reply #202 on: May 03, 2021, 08:50:07 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/rickygervais/status/1389265466481385475

"Absolutely Mental". Ooooh, edgy!

Ham Sarris as well, two of the Four Horsemen of Atheism right there. Urrrrgggghh.

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« Reply #203 on: May 03, 2021, 09:24:18 PM »
PZ Myers has some good blogs about how disappointing nu-atheism was in retrospect

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2019/01/25/the-train-wreck-that-was-the-new-atheism/

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« Reply #204 on: May 03, 2021, 09:37:38 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/rickygervais/status/1389265466481385475

"Absolutely Mental". Ooooh, edgy!

Ham Sarris as well, two of the Four Horsemen of Atheism right there. Urrrrgggghh.

His fans are such twerps.


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« Reply #205 on: May 03, 2021, 10:37:13 PM »
He should ask for his money back.
Why Paddy Mcaloon cosplay as gandalf the white now?

I hope this one's a bit more fruitbat. Series 2 was such an airy fart.

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Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
« Reply #206 on: May 03, 2021, 10:37:59 PM »
dropping by to ring the bell - Ricky has confirmed that afterlife 3 might be 'his best work yet'!

First the pandemic, now this.

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« Reply #207 on: May 03, 2021, 11:00:50 PM »
Why Paddy Mcaloon cosplay as gandalf the white now?
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« Reply #208 on: May 03, 2021, 11:09:06 PM »

I hope this one's a bit more fruitbat. Series 2 was such an airy fart.

Last one was just dull, predictable, and inoffensive. Want either 100% more fruitbat or 100% more of the Phoneshop guys[1].
 
Writing that reminded me that Paul Kaye was in this and terrible (or more working with terrible material). I wonder if he still needs/wants the money enough for this series.

Amazed, though, that it's taken Gervais this long to change the words on the cover sheet to Final Version
 1. so, a new series of Phoneshop

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Re: Ricky Gervais's After Life series 3 [split topic]
« Reply #209 on: May 03, 2021, 11:11:30 PM »
If we were to write 'Ricky Gervais's After Extras' it would just be a picture of Derek throwing a dwarf in the air whilst jizzing on a homeless junkie.

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