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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2020, 03:52:36 PM »
I do object at the Beatles-fascism that exists almost universally in regard to any criticism however mild or joking. I would understand if it was a particularly niche band from your hometown, but not the BIGGEST BAND ON THE PLANET EVER.


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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2020, 03:53:22 PM »
I looooove your list daf. Anyone I haven't listened to on it I will have to make a note of. ie: Cartoon?

They were the short-lived English-language spinoff of the Welsh-Language 90's band Jess. *

Championed by the lovely Kevin Greening in 1997. This song - Fade Away - was Mark and Lard's first 'single of the week' on their doomed Radio 1 breakfast show. Released four or five EPs. Got nowhere.

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2020, 04:23:42 PM »
We now return you to Beatles chat . . .

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2020, 07:45:31 PM »
I looooove your list daf. Anyone I haven't listened to on it I will have to make a note of. ie: Cartoon?

OP What about this as a tracklisting? An upbeat first side to a gradual winding down.

Side 1

Good Morning
SPLHC
Fixing A Hole
Mr Kite
Lovely Rita
Getting Better
SP Reprise

Side  2.

With A Little Help...
When I'm 64
Lucy
She's Leaving Home
Within You Without You
A Day In The Life

I tried to be objective but I'm too in love with my own concept. For example I think you need to open the tracklisting with an absolute classic like Lucy to justify the concept-album parts (stuff that sounds like a live band) which everyone admits can get tedious. Thank you for agreeing to pair Within You Without You with A Day in the Life and adding "She's Leaving Home" to head them up. Good move.




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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2020, 08:03:45 PM »
Not arsed, you can take The Rutles and shove them up your Blackbird.

Hiding behind 4 billions like-minded fans, big man talk, Ret...speaking up for the little band.


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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2020, 08:04:30 PM »
ps. did you know the Beatles only have 37 songs in their entire catalogue. Blimey.

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2020, 08:08:25 PM »
I realise I am making a weird judgement call about what counts as sounding like a live band and what doesn't.

My impression of this mythical band is that it has a million different instruments on stage and has this jerky, modernist aesthetic to it. "Fixing a Hole" is actually a perfect example of this hitherto-foreign-to-the-Beatles'oeuvre sound: it is totally angular. "Good Morning Good Morning" is equally strange and almost post-modern, with the Kelloggs rooster in it (we have to imagine there is really a rooster on stage - perhaps as daf suggested it is an old-fashioned carnival stage). "Getting Better" continues with the angular rock sound, and from there we progressively loosen up until "Lovely Rita" is the big singalong akin to Hey Jude the following year. Many think it's not that good but I beg to differ.

So in summary I think these songs hang together well as a "live group" sound, delineated from the songs that are more surprising/ more daring/ more produced... you know, the good ones.

My main doubt is whether "When I'm 64" really fits the rest of the "live set" as I have construed it. The singing voice and production is obviously a pastiche of the 30s so it really belongs outside of the "live set" framework. The problem is that it is as earnest as it is cheesy, and as moving as it is schmaltzy. It's not a cool angular rock band and it's not a song you can slot next to "Within You Without You" (WHY? Paul, why?).

It just doesn't fit anywhere.... unless...

Well this granny Paul voice is disembodied. You don't know who is singing it. Clearly "Billy Shears" is Ringo so why can't this slightly different voice be... Sergeant Pepper? He was the founding member in the 30s and he did Swing music. The Beatle alter-egos on the cover are the active members but old S.P. can still get on stage for long enough to sing one of his classics. Mystery solved!

"When I'm Sixty Four" is when the rest of the band grabs the jazz instruments and takes the crowd back to the past before the big modern, swinging-sixties singalong (Rita) and final bow (Reprise).

At this point one could chop out and crop in the long silence and "nevercouldseeanyotherway" from the end of "A Day of the Life" for dramatic effect and confusion. One could read something into the meaning of this phrase given this new contextual framing.

What follows this interlude is the contemplation when the carnival ends, you're alone in bed and you have grasped some wisdom that will disappear as you are simultaneously lulled to sleep: George's composition is the voice of reason (resolute, bitter indictments of the material world) and John's is the voice of madness: moments of shock and horror, and moments of youthful innocence swimming around in a dying brain.

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2020, 08:11:38 PM »
Nice! Great to see this pioneering band The Beatles being discussed here. They certainly don’t get the recognition they deserve. This is definitely a good thread, keep up the great work

why did you make a new account?

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2020, 09:28:31 PM »
Got tired of my username. It has meaning to me (and is partly a really outdated forum in-joke) but to other people it reads like “a bloke called Alan who nags everyone” which isn’t what it actually means and I started getting self-conscious about it. I wanted to have Legend of the Dog-Faced Woman but it exceeded the character length.

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2020, 09:30:35 PM »
Didn't realise you were an Anti-Beatle too, Nags. That makes 3 of us.

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2020, 09:33:26 PM »
Nagswho?

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Nice! Great to see this pioneering band The Beatles being discussed here. They certainly don’t get the recognition they deserve. This is definitely a good thread, keep up the great work

Oh okay so this is payback for my shitposting in the Neutral Milk Hotel thread? If not intentionally, call it karma.

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2020, 09:37:52 PM »
I am sorry for threadshitting. I have my reasons but I shouldn’t vent them here, you don’t deserve it.

I do like The Beatles but I ... ahh I can’t be fucked to go into it.

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2020, 11:08:03 PM »
Love making curry to this album. Within You Without You even adds to the Indian vibe. The backing vocals are fucking brilliant, particularly Lennon's "it couldn't get much worse" response to Paul's positively in Getting Better. I can't imagine making a curry to the tracks in any other order.

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2020, 11:09:27 PM »
My version of Sgt. Peps would have all the original tunes, in the exact same order, but with Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane whacked in there too

Side 1
-Sgt. Pepper
-With a little help
-Lucy in the sky with diamonds
-Getting Better
-Strawberry Fields Forevs
-Fixing a hole
-She's Leaving Home
-Being for the benefit of Mr. Kite

Side two
-Penny Lane
-Within You Without You
-When I'm 64
-Lovely Rita
-Good Morning, Good Morning
-Sgt Pepper (Reprise)
-A Day in the life


It would have been the most wonderful record of all the world

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2020, 08:53:34 AM »
This morning I decided to determine the new official Magical Mystery Tour track listing.

Here it is:



original:



Following the last one, I decided to pair up Lennon and Harrison by unearthing the deep cut "Blue Jay Way" and having it head up the stonking line of classics that make this album so endlessly replayable.

The first half of this new tracklisting is where the lighthearted tone of the film comes across "Hello Goodbye" is really sweet and I think it follows the opening-track tradition of Taxman, Back in the USSR, Help! etc. "Baby You're A Rich Man" is really good in a "warmup" position, and not directly competing with "Penny Lane" and "All You Need is Love" for goodness's sake!

"Fool on the Hill" in this new position injects a tone of melancholy before rolling into the blissed-out "Flying". Having "Your Mother Should Know" to finish up this side echoes that brilliant iconic scene of them descending the staircase at the end of the Magical Mystery Tour film. The conceptual "Magical Mystery Tour" proper however,, for me in my own personal what-linguists-call "idiolect", is the second half of the album - now, as mentioned, headed with the majestic "Blue Jay Way", paired with Lennon's "I Am The Walrus" similar to how I paired "Within You Without You" with "A Day in the Life." Same thinking.

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2020, 08:56:36 AM »
Love making curry to this album. Within You Without You even adds to the Indian vibe. The backing vocals are fucking brilliant, particularly Lennon's "it couldn't get much worse" response to Paul's positively in Getting Better. I can't imagine making a curry to the tracks in any other order.

you think the original track listing is perfect? whether merely for curry, or more generally?

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2020, 10:42:31 AM »
Alright, so, Banks in goal...

Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2020, 09:24:56 AM »
I realise I am making a weird judgement call about what counts as sounding like a live band and what doesn't.

My impression of this mythical band is that it has a million different instruments on stage and has this jerky, modernist aesthetic to it. "Fixing a Hole" is actually a perfect example of this hitherto-foreign-to-the-Beatles'oeuvre sound: it is totally angular. "Good Morning Good Morning" is equally strange and almost post-modern, with the Kelloggs rooster in it (we have to imagine there is really a rooster on stage - perhaps as daf suggested it is an old-fashioned carnival stage). "Getting Better" continues with the angular rock sound, and from there we progressively loosen up until "Lovely Rita" is the big singalong akin to Hey Jude the following year. Many think it's not that good but I beg to differ.


Re the angular rock sound: A lot of Mccartney's songs around that time are based on 4 staccato chords in a bar on regular crochet beats, usually on keyboard. Listen to Penny Lane, Your Mother Should Know, Fixing A Hole, Getting Better and By With A Little Help back to back and it's clear he was using that a songwriting technique around that time

Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2020, 12:48:16 PM »
Beatallica make Beatles songs with a Metallica twist.

Here's their album Sgt Hetfield's Motorbreath Pub Band

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2020, 01:32:39 PM »
Re the angular rock sound: A lot of Mccartney's songs around that time are based on 4 staccato chords in a bar on regular crochet beats, usually on keyboard. Listen to Penny Lane, Your Mother Should Know, Fixing A Hole, Getting Better and By With A Little Help back to back and it's clear he was using that a songwriting technique around that time

ah, that's why they sound so shit

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« Reply #50 on: July 29, 2020, 01:43:35 PM »
ah, that's why they sound so shit

McCartney never mastered the Ozric Tentacles art of making every track sound different.

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« Reply #51 on: July 29, 2020, 01:54:52 PM »
My version of Sgt. Peps would have all the original tunes, in the exact same order, but with Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane whacked in there too

I was just thinking the exact same thing as I was reading through the thread.  Was going to comment but no need as you already said it.  (I'd not thought about exactly where the songs would be placed though.)

Another "fun" game is to imagine the Beatles hadn't split up when they did and to look at the various members solo albums in the 70's and to choose the most "Beatley" tracks (John & Paul get 3 each, Ringo & George get 2 each) and build an imaginary Beatles album from them.

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« Reply #52 on: July 29, 2020, 02:02:38 PM »
They were the short-lived English-language spinoff of the Welsh-Language 90's band Jess. *

Championed by the lovely Kevin Greening in 1997. This song - Fade Away - was Mark and Lard's first 'single of the week' on their doomed Radio 1 breakfast show. Released four or five EPs. Got nowhere.

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Very nice BTW. Like the harmonies. Thanks.

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« Reply #53 on: July 29, 2020, 02:04:09 PM »
ah, that's why they sound so shit

They don't sound shit to me.

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« Reply #54 on: July 29, 2020, 02:32:49 PM »
MMM and YS are probably their most ignored albums (if any Beatles releases can be classes as such), but I always thought a combination of those (minus the singles) would work quite well.

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« Reply #55 on: July 29, 2020, 04:20:11 PM »
They don't sound shit to me.

To be fair, Blods did take the trouble to say 'sound', not 'are'.  He's nothing if not a thoughtful anti-Beatle-ite.

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #57 on: July 29, 2020, 07:34:07 PM »
Re the angular rock sound: A lot of Mccartney's songs around that time are based on 4 staccato chords in a bar on regular crochet beats, usually on keyboard. Listen to Penny Lane, Your Mother Should Know, Fixing A Hole, Getting Better and By With A Little Help back to back and it's clear he was using that a songwriting technique around that time

Still, it was a McCartney sound present for this album specifically.

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Re: New Official Sgt Peppers Track Listing
« Reply #58 on: July 29, 2020, 07:56:10 PM »
McCartney never mastered the Ozric Tentacles art of making every track sound different.

is that the best you can come back with? yawn

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« Reply #59 on: July 29, 2020, 07:57:46 PM »
To be fair, Blods did take the trouble to say 'sound', not 'are'.  He's nothing if not a thoughtful anti-Beatle-ite.

I think I'm the only anti-Beatlite on the planet? Are there any high profile Beatle haters?

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