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« Reply #60 on: September 09, 2020, 07:24:19 PM »
421 schools in the UK now with confirmed cases. 10 in Scotland, 64 in NI, 28 in Wales, 226 in England.

This is according to ToryFibs who have compiled local newspaper reports, NHS reports and school websites, so is likely an under reporting.

Going well then, after 3 days.


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« Reply #61 on: September 09, 2020, 07:24:50 PM »
I will if it is the actual decision that school have made. My wife was told about it just as she was leaving today, so don't want to be rash. Who would you report it to? Local paper or national? Bit wary about it as she's only been in the job for a few days and I imagine the suspicion would mainly be with the newer staff. But if this is the decision, it's fucking unforgivable and something has to be raised. We were due to see my parents this weekend and my mum is so cautious and anxious as she has respiratory issues and believes that if she got it then she would die. How can they purposely hide something like this?

Our procedure involves immediately contacting PHE, who give advice to management based on the specifics of the case (length of time in classes, distancing, etc.).

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« Reply #62 on: September 09, 2020, 07:56:03 PM »
Do we know if their advice is the government's advice, or vice versa?

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« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2020, 08:00:54 PM »
PHE isn't really distinct from the UK Government. It's part of the DHSC. (This is in contrast to PHW or the new PHS.)

(But I appreciate the wider point is that DHSC or its myriad contractors might be issuing other advice.)

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« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2020, 08:23:38 PM »
Our procedure involves immediately contacting PHE, who give advice to management based on the specifics of the case (length of time in classes, distancing, etc.).

I think that's what this school have done. He had symptoms on Monday and has been kept off since then, and they were told that if he'd been in until Tuesday then more drastic (although rather lame) action would have had to be taken. Seems fucking criminal that PHE are telling schools to hide information from classmates parents.

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« Reply #65 on: September 09, 2020, 09:23:24 PM »
Our procedure involves immediately contacting PHE, who give advice to management based on the specifics of the case (length of time in classes, distancing, etc.).

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« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2020, 08:13:36 AM »
We let them run wild without supervision. Fair enough if you want to suggest a return to those days, but our PC-gone-mad culture probably wouldn't allow it.

Our ‘PC-gone-mad culture‘ wouldn’t get a chance to not allow it, as our obedient centrist gatekeepers of the status quo would no doubt find the proponents of any such ideas to be ‘hateful’ in some way, probably towards Jews, and would go about emphasising and attacking their character in increasingly disingenuous ways, lest their ideas gain any credence with the wider population.
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« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2020, 10:59:36 AM »
Our ‘PC-gone-mad culture‘ wouldn’t get a chance to not allow it, as our obedient centrist gatekeepers of the status quo would no doubt find the proponents of any such ideas to be ‘hateful’ in some way, probably towards Jews, and would go about emphasising and attacking their character in increasingly disingenuous ways, lest their ideas gain any credence with the wider population.
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« Reply #68 on: September 11, 2020, 10:38:00 PM »
A disgruntled headteacher in Glasgow has today "leaked", to union personnel a screenshot of an email from the big Education head honcho to Headteachers, none-too-subtly blaming teachers - their, and I quote, "ridiculous" insistence on having lunches in staff bases is to blame - for the spread of the virus.

Worth remembering that this very same person didn't want staff wearing masks a mere four weeks ago lest they inspire "fear and alarm within the young people".
« Last Edit: September 11, 2020, 11:05:51 PM by Dyl Spinks »

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« Reply #69 on: September 12, 2020, 08:47:37 AM »
Hearing that some parents who are trying to get tests for their kids with symptoms are being told there are no tests available for kids. Meanwhile the law says that as long as no-one in the household has tested positive, the symptomatic kid's asymptomatic siblings still have to go to school - which goes completely against the guidance to self-isolate for 14 days if living with someone with symptoms.

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« Reply #70 on: September 12, 2020, 10:43:48 AM »
Hearing that some parents who are trying to get tests for their kids with symptoms are being told there are no tests available for kids. Meanwhile the law says that as long as no-one in the household has tested positive, the symptomatic kid's asymptomatic siblings still have to go to school - which goes completely against the guidance to self-isolate for 14 days if living with someone with symptoms.

Maximum confusion, maximum idiocy.

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« Reply #71 on: September 16, 2020, 08:07:25 AM »
Scottish Mail reporting that Scotland are 1,000 teachers down due to self-isolating.

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« Reply #72 on: September 16, 2020, 01:46:01 PM »
Scottish Mail reporting that Scotland are 1,000 teachers down due to self-isolating.

I wonder how many of them are self-isolating and not able to get a test, therefore increasing the figure...?

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« Reply #73 on: September 16, 2020, 05:40:38 PM »
Colleagues isolating already, students I haven't seen yet due to isolating, local secondaries and primaries sending home classes daily, and no tests. Fucking drivel. Six months and this is the shit we get. They won't remove any content from the exams, they're reluctant to even move the exams back by two or three weeks. But they expect us to finish courses with students, and prepare them for A Levels. And they expect the poor young people to study ludicrously dense courses whilst dodging this 'whack-a-mole' shit. Absolute wank.

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« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2020, 08:27:43 AM »
Meanwhile the law says that as long as no-one in the household has tested positive, the symptomatic kid's asymptomatic siblings still have to go to school - which goes completely against the guidance to self-isolate for 14 days if living with someone with symptoms.

This isn't true https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/school-attendance/addendum-recording-attendance-in-relation-to-coronavirus-covid-19-during-the-2020-to-2021-academic-year

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« Reply #75 on: September 17, 2020, 08:47:10 AM »
Colleagues isolating already, students I haven't seen yet due to isolating, local secondaries and primaries sending home classes daily, and no tests. Fucking drivel. Six months and this is the shit we get. They won't remove any content from the exams, they're reluctant to even move the exams back by two or three weeks. But they expect us to finish courses with students, and prepare them for A Levels. And they expect the poor young people to study ludicrously dense courses whilst dodging this 'whack-a-mole' shit. Absolute wank.

Just yesterday was asked to comment on proposals to reduce the exam timetable by two weeks in June 2021. Six weeks of exams crammed into four. A logistical nightmare for schools who already struggle to accommodate exams, and even worse for candidates with learning difficulties or physical disabilities that require them to have extended exams, separate invigilation or specialist provision such as scribes or readers.

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« Reply #76 on: September 17, 2020, 09:54:12 PM »
This isn't true https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/school-attendance/addendum-recording-attendance-in-relation-to-coronavirus-covid-19-during-the-2020-to-2021-academic-year

Probably a case of schools misinterpreting the rules, then. Turds did say the other day though that people without symptoms who are waiting for a test because they've been in contact with someone who tested positive should carry on going to work or school as normal in the meantime - which is entirely at odds with what the Test & Trace people are supposed to tell you to do when they contact you:

Johnson then added that a person should only otherwise request a Covid test if they have come into contact with someone who has themselves received a positive result, and should continue to work or attend school while they wait.

you will be told to begin self-isolation for 14 days from your last contact with the person who has tested positive. It’s really important to do this even if you don’t feel unwell because, if you have been infected, you could become infectious to others at any point up to 14 days.

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« Reply #77 on: September 21, 2020, 01:30:38 PM »
500 kids in quarantine in South Africa in one school due to kids with symptoms coming into school and not declaring it. As parents in precarious employment can't take time off, I would imagine this is going to become a major problem worldwide unless something is introduced by the government to guarantee employment is maintained.

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« Reply #78 on: September 21, 2020, 01:50:12 PM »
First family Covid test today! Pesky kids!

God this winter is going to be a jugorific clusterfuck. Really, really horny.

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« Reply #79 on: September 22, 2020, 06:13:44 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-54250805

Over a million children weren't in school in England last Thursday. School part/full closures have quadrupled in a week.

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« Reply #81 on: September 25, 2020, 01:47:55 PM »
Just yesterday was asked to comment on proposals to reduce the exam timetable by two weeks in June 2021. Six weeks of exams crammed into four. A logistical nightmare for schools who already struggle to accommodate exams, and even worse for candidates with learning difficulties or physical disabilities that require them to have extended exams, separate invigilation or specialist provision such as scribes or readers.

I work in vocational assessments and already there is concerns about the work loads for practical assignments and the weird early June half term means we miss a week but still have the same results day as in previous years. That is before we even consider local lockdowns.

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« Reply #82 on: September 26, 2020, 11:05:37 AM »
2 weeks of teaching done, so we've got a good sense of how this is all going to go now. No social distancing in classrooms, no social distancing on the college site, and a constant battle with students to wear masks around campus. I've had to have umpteen conversations with young people about why masks are being worn, and despite being polite and reasonable, the majority of them put a mask on when I ask and then take it straight back off again. Some positive tests for students, who are isolating - their classmates are also isolating. More students have symptoms and are isolating, or live with guardians/siblings who have symptoms and are isolating. None of them have so far been tested, because of the fuck-up with testing. One student was asked to leave five minutes into a lesson because her sibling had developed symptoms, presumably between her leaving home and arriving at college. Staff absence is growing, with classes cancelled because teachers are isolating at home, unable to get tested. My upper sixth start the year with some lessons to set them up for coursework. In order that the isolating students don't miss out on these lessons, I've been recording lessons at home in the evenings, essentially duplicating work (we don't have the money to get live streaming going in every classroom). I've had lower sixth students, out of education for 6 months, arrive and have one lesson before being asked to isolate for 14 days as they can't get tested. The most ridiculous aspect is that the government and OFQUAL remain committed to examining my upper sixth students as though everything was normal. These poor young people, asked to miss chunks of learning and make do with materials being sent home (which is no substitute for being in class), who struggle to get a test and return ASAP, are (as it stands) going to be treated as if it was a bog standard year in education.


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« Reply #83 on: October 14, 2020, 12:53:59 PM »
Schools have the greatest effect on the R Number (of the factors they measures); according to SAGE.

Data :
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/925856/S0770_NPIs_table__pivot_.pdf

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« Reply #84 on: October 14, 2020, 03:54:18 PM »
It is also has the highest non-COVID impact. And note that it's a reduction in R value of 0.2-~0.5 for mass school closures, compared to 0.12-0.45 for reactive school closures, which is what I believe we have now - although that is with lower confidence.

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« Reply #85 on: October 14, 2020, 07:34:27 PM »
Schools have the greatest effect on the R Number (of the factors they measures); according to SAGE.

Data :
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/925856/S0770_NPIs_table__pivot_.pdf

Along with further and higher education (all 0.2-0.5).

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« Reply #86 on: October 14, 2020, 07:59:58 PM »

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« Reply #87 on: October 14, 2020, 08:09:37 PM »
Schools have the greatest effect on the R Number (of the factors they measures); according to SAGE.

Data :
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/925856/S0770_NPIs_table__pivot_.pdf

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« Reply #88 on: October 14, 2020, 10:58:17 PM »


Quite

But apparently this needs saying. Even if you go back upthread there are people going BUT WE CANT JUST NOT OPEN SCHOOLS.

Apparently if the upshot of doing so is that civic and economic life needs to be brought back into lockdown then.. Hmm... Yeah we probably can just not open schools and deal with the smaller problems individually through some form of child benefit and transition (albeit appallingly inadequate) to online teaching.

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« Reply #89 on: October 15, 2020, 09:13:12 AM »
my kids are now using the online classroom stuff two days a week but at school (as in onsite) - I guess that's to ensure the system works gremlin free and both teachers and kids are able to use it comfortably if they need it

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