Author Topic: Black rappers that use 'the n word'  (Read 4335 times)

The Mollusk

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2020, 04:20:24 PM »
I'm not gonna segue into a discussion about it next time I find myself talking to a black person face-to-face.

Why not? What are you so afraid of, except being told you’re wrong?

I can judge literally everything about a song, except for their use of the n-word? This is somehow something that I ought to avoid making any statement about?

Remove the question marks from those two sentences and there’s the answer that’s basically what I’ve been saying since my first reply in this thread.

The Mollusk

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2020, 04:31:09 PM »
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I guess I'm sounding like an old rightwinger here, but if the word is that bad, then don't use it in a pop song for children.

Oh sorry, I didn't know this song was written for children. All that freely available porn on the internet, was that made for children as well?

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I've spent most of my life thinking, "it's fine if I use the n-word in this non-offensive context." And I'm a progressive, university-educated, inquisitive leftie. It's only now I've got more engaged with progressive movements that I'm trying to understand and appreciate that black people think it's not fine for me to rap along with Tupac. And I am entirely a hand-wringing Stop the War Coalition vegan Corbynite.

Good for you. Now say the n-word out loud to yourself. If it doesn't make you feel vile and uncomfortable, even though you used it in a "non-offensive context", then there's a problem.

Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2020, 04:51:14 PM »

Nowadays I bet f*ggot is used incredibly rarely as an all-purpose insult among highschoolers.  Everyone eventually agreed that it was a bad word and stopped using it.


Aside from the manufacturers of pork meatballs



They used it on Countdown once too, not a single titter from the audience.

Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2020, 04:57:01 PM »
Oh sorry, I didn't know this song was written for children. All that freely available porn on the internet, was that made for children as well?

Good for you. Now say the n-word out loud to yourself. If it doesn't make you feel vile and uncomfortable, even though you used it in a "non-offensive context", then there's a problem.

Yeah, Drake and Future write songs for children, i.e. people under the age of 18. Their target market isn't much different from S Club 7's.

And no, I don't feel 'vile and uncomfortable' when rapping along to Forgot About Dre. Perhaps you could convince me why not omitting words from a pop song should make me feel vile and uncomfortable? I mean, isn't that kind of my point - the n-word has been devalued, and a vanishingly-small percentage of people feel vile and uncomfortable when saying it (in the context of singing along to a song).

Seriously, if you're telling me that rapping along to Forgot About Dre makes you feel vile, then from my perspective you're the one with the problem. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong.

Hell, is it okay for me to rap along with Tupac when he says "that's why I fucked your bitch you fat motherfucker?" Like, I don't call women bitches. Calling someone's girlfriend or wife 'your bitch' is totally against my values, too. Or is bitch on the okay side of bigoted language, but n***** on the bad side? Makes no sense.

Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2020, 05:09:52 PM »
I just said the n word to myself and I actually felt empowered.

Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2020, 05:22:23 PM »
Genuinely glad John Lennon died in front of his wife in the street.

The Mollusk

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2020, 05:26:17 PM »
Yeah, Drake and Future write songs for children, i.e. people under the age of 18. Their target market isn't much different from S Club 7's.

Are you actually serious? Please back this up with some credible sources because it is news to me.

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And no, I don't feel 'vile and uncomfortable' when rapping along to Forgot About Dre. Perhaps you could convince me why not omitting words from a pop song should make me feel vile and uncomfortable? I mean, isn't that kind of my point - the n-word has been devalued, and a vanishingly-small percentage of people feel vile and uncomfortable when saying it (in the context of singing along to a song).

So you are admitting now that you're totally comfortable saying the n-word when rapping along to Forgot About Dre? Just so we're clear on that.

I don't really know what else you're trying to say there but you've dodged a bunch of my questions here and elsewhere anyway so fuck it.

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Seriously, if you're telling me that rapping along to Forgot About Dre makes you feel vile, then from my perspective you're the one with the problem. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong.

Stop exaggerating. I mean personally speaking I don't rap along to any rap songs because I'm very self-conscious and I find it cringeworthy as fuck, but we're not talking about the whole song here, we're talking about a single word. And so what you're really saying is that I'm the one with a problem because I don't say the n-word when I rap or sing along to a song. You don't think that's a weird opinion to have?

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Hell, is it okay for me to rap along with Tupac when he says "that's why I fucked your bitch you fat motherfucker?" Like, I don't call women bitches. Calling someone's girlfriend or wife 'your bitch' is totally against my values, too. Or is bitch on the okay side of bigoted language, but n***** on the bad side? Makes no sense.

Excusing the fact that you're needlessly conflating racism with misogyny (just like John Lennon, hey!), from a personal standpoint, no, I think those lyrics are morally objectionable and I would feel deeply uncomfortable singing along with them.

Speaking broadly now, there are occasions with the arts when you just need to take a step back and appreciate something for what it is without needing to osmose it into the fibres of your own being. Someone else said it, that's their experience and their context, and you can enjoy the experience through them without blurting it all out like you're in a karaoke booth.

Some people (I call them dickheads) like to quote along to films as well. If a white person was quoting along to all the times that someone (yes, including Tarantino) said the n-word in Pulp Fiction, do you think that would be acceptable?

Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2020, 05:38:18 PM »
Yeah, Drake and Future write songs for children, i.e. people under the age of 18.

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2020, 06:01:35 PM »
I will be totally clear that I would say the n-word while rapping along to Forgot About Dre and would not even notice. I used to use that song to get our son to sleep, and I only really noticed how many times it uses the n-word when we started making a special effort to stop swearing around him.

The Mollusk

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2020, 06:25:44 PM »
Legitimately can't tell if you're on the wind-up now mate

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2020, 07:13:00 PM »
I laughed anyway

Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2020, 07:13:07 PM »
I know the lyrics to Forgot About Dre better than I know the Lord's Prayer. I wrote them in my school organiser 17 years ago. I would repeat every lyric almost unconsciously and unaware of what I'm saying. You don't even sound like you rap along!

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2020, 07:50:11 PM »
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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #43 on: September 10, 2020, 08:16:23 PM »

The Mollusk

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #44 on: September 10, 2020, 08:30:30 PM »
Really curious as to what people actually get out of trolling people on the internet. A hobby so facile and babyish you'd think it would have gone out of fashion a decade ago.

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2020, 08:57:41 PM »
Really curious as to what people actually get out of trolling people on the internet. A hobby so facile and babyish you'd think it would have gone out of fashion a decade ago.
If you hate people and are just trying to get them to waste their time, then...eh, I guess...but to waste time on a forum like this trying to get a rise out of people? Seems such a fucking pointless activity. Is the real world not already unpleasant enough, that you have to add to it?

Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2020, 09:04:53 PM »
Seriously though, I do like to sing a long or rap along or whatever to songs if at home or in the shower etc because i'm a cringeworthy fuck but I just replace the n word with something innocuous. I don't listen to much rap with the n word in it though, to be fair, I'm that milquetoast.

Was it okay for Cypress Hill to say the n word?

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #47 on: September 10, 2020, 09:07:27 PM »

The Mollusk

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #48 on: September 10, 2020, 09:26:17 PM »


Oh no

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #49 on: September 10, 2020, 09:33:49 PM »
It's used in a conversational way in the song, isn't it?

Which is how its use by the affected community came about.

A conversational tone is regularly used in art.

Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #50 on: September 10, 2020, 09:36:04 PM »


Oh no

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I'm not a troll.

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2020, 10:15:45 PM »
I know the lyrics to Forgot About Dre better than I know the Lord's Prayer. I wrote them in my school organiser 17 years ago.

That's how he lost his headmaster job

Pc gone mad

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2020, 12:47:08 AM »
Really curious as to what people actually get out of trolling people on the internet. A hobby so facile and babyish you'd think it would have gone out of fashion a decade ago.

Big up this.

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2020, 12:53:47 AM »

Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2020, 05:21:49 AM »
I wasn't trolling

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2020, 05:30:28 AM »
What an amazingly pointless and unfulfilling thread.

Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2020, 09:33:16 AM »
If you hate people and are just trying to get them to waste their time, then...eh, I guess...but to waste time on a forum like this trying to get a rise out of people? Seems such a fucking pointless activity. Is the real world not already unpleasant enough, that you have to add to it?

Given that most people go on Twitter and forums to waste their time anyway it seems doubly pointless

Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2020, 12:38:17 PM »
yo yo yo

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2020, 01:29:32 PM »
White people arguing about the n word is always hilarious

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Re: Black rappers that use 'the n word'
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2020, 01:30:35 PM »



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