"At Christmas I no more desire a rose Than wish a snow in May's new-fangled mirth; But like of each thing that in season grows."
Started by dr_christian_troy, October 05, 2020, 01:52:46 PM
Quote from: JamesTC on October 05, 2020, 02:24:49 PMI feel like the first two seasons have a little more focus and are more cohesive. They balance on going stories with episodic storytelling in much the same way as DS9 was at the time but then the two shows diverged into different direction.I would say that the later seasons are better but that is only due to a change in focus to Seven and The Doctor as well as better individual episodes.
Quote from: olliebean on October 05, 2020, 05:59:50 PMThere are also some real stinkers in the later seasons, though, like the awful Fair Haven episodes.I'm currently nearing the end of season 6, finding it a bit of a mixed bag.
Quote from: olliebean on October 05, 2020, 05:59:50 PMThere are also some real stinkers in the later seasons, though, like the awful Fair Haven episodes.
Quote from: Lemming on October 05, 2020, 02:32:11 PMOver my most recent rewatch of TOS through to VOY, I honestly think Voyager was more enjoyable than TNG on the whole. TNG has better high points, but also a ton of total shit, while Voyager is at least usually fun. It's far more willing to play around and explore pulp-y ideas than the other post-TOS series were, which leads to some fantastic big concepts. Plus they started doing metafictional episodes later on - there's one where the Doctor gets a fandom who start sending him fanmail and demanding he appear at conventions, and I remember another one where Torres crashes on a planet full of playwrights who are trying to basically write Voyager episodes, or something like that.Season 4 is where the show really takes off, IMO. I appreciate that they tried to do running arcs in the first two seasons with the Kazon and such, but none of them really work - anything involving the Kazon, Seska, or the godawful Paris-Kes-Neelix triangle really sucks. Season 3 has plenty of great standalone episodes, but the introduction Seven of Nine lifts the show up to the next level.I also think Janeway is the best Captain in all of Star Trek*, and the hate she gets from fans online confuses me. She mixes Kirk's decisiveness and determination with Picard's morality, while mostly avoiding the pitfalls that those two characters exhibit (Kirk is a fucking idiot who regularly gets people killed by doing stupid shit, while Picard hides behind the Prime Directive far too often, and also frequently disappears up his own ass and starts giving everyone boring didactic lectures where the writers just tell you what to think). She also treats the crew as equals and usually bothers to actually explain what she's doing and why, rather than just barking orders and deciding everything solo like Kirk and Picard often do.*From the third season onwards, at least. I remember her being occasionally oddly written and annoying in the first two seasons.
Quote from: Deanjam on October 05, 2020, 07:57:08 PMMy favourite episodes are:Eye of the NeedleMeldFuture's End (1+2)Distant OriginYear of Hell (1+2)Message in a BottleLiving WitnessDroneTimeless (so good they remade it for the finale)Latent ImageSomeone to Watch Over MeEquinox (1+2)Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, SpyBlink of an EyeLife Line
Quote from: greenman on October 05, 2020, 08:12:06 PMPart of the problem I'd say though is that she's too good a captain, doesn't leave much room for reasonable conflict, Picards standoffishness and Sisko's impulsiveness made for better drama.
Quote from: oy vey on October 05, 2020, 11:40:50 PMI would add Scorpion. My personal favourite, most rewatches, though I admit there are stronger episodes. It just plays like a movie for me. Great new villain (later squandered). The Gift makes it a good triple binge.
Quote from: oy vey on October 05, 2020, 11:40:50 PMAnyone listening to The Delta Flyers podcast? Garret Wang and Rob McNeill go through episodes. On season 2 at the moment.
Quote from: Mr_Simnock on October 05, 2020, 11:47:46 PMChakotay was almost invisible at times, the weakest No2 in any treck.
Quote from: JamesTC on October 05, 2020, 08:16:20 PMEndgame was basically the opposite of Timeless. Endgame was a crewmember going back in time to convince them to get home through dangerous means whereas Timeless was a crewmember stopping them getting home through dangerous means. Plus Endgame was rubbish and Timeless was brilliant.
Quote from: Lemming on October 06, 2020, 01:09:16 AMHe is kind of a babe, but that's mainly just Robert Beltran.
Quote from: Deanjam on October 05, 2020, 07:57:08 PMMy favourite episodes are:Eye of the Needle
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