Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger

[Sebastian Cobb]

I heard starmer was signaling left but moving right.

[dissolute ocelot]

What is the point of slapping a load of "remaniac funding" in on the end, what does it add, what has it got to do with the story? (I know they say because it wasn't good for Labour - are we suggesting people cannot protest Brexit now?)  Looks suspiciously like smear  by association by the Star there.

It's about the dishonest tactical voting campaigns which suggested the Lib Dems were best placed in many constituencies to win and defeat the Tories and prevent Brexit, even when the Lib Dems were polling behind Labour. We all saw how that worked out, but it was pretty obvious at the time too that voting Lib Dem wasn't going to prevent Brexit. It all adds to the money spent campaigning against Labour.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-news-latest-best-britain-brexit-vote-tool-lib-dems-a9179731.html

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Thanks for posting that, spared me doing so.

The prize for disrupting and disarming Labour was

- All prominent remainer Tories removed from party or expelled to back benches
- 1 fewer Lib Dem MP from the already very small stock
- May removed and replaced by opportunist Get Brexit Done fathead.
- Overwhelming majority gained by the Tories Brexit at all costs party
- New Labour leader promising to not delay Brexit any longer, so basically a more pro-Brexit leader than Corbyn
- No Deal Brexit now most likely outcome in nearly exactly 2 months time.

What's the phrase.. 'That went well'?

[Buelligan]

And don't forget the rebarbative extended experience of enduring all those people (including the present leader of the Labour Party) suddenly forgetting they had anything to do with facilitating this complete catastrophe.

[boki]

I heard starmer was signaling left but moving right.

Bravo

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

If only he was even signalling left I could drown in his delicious lies _{and take him to court for dangerous driving}

[greenman]

Thanks for posting that, spared me doing so.

The prize for disrupting and disarming Labour was

- All prominent remainer Tories removed from party or expelled to back benches
- 1 fewer Lib Dem MP from the already very small stock
- May removed and replaced by opportunist Get Brexit Done fathead.
- Overwhelming majority gained by the Tories Brexit at all costs party
- New Labour leader promising to not delay Brexit any longer, so basically a more pro-Brexit leader than Corbyn
- No Deal Brexit now most likely outcome in nearly exactly 2 months time.

What's the phrase.. 'That went well'?

I'd imagine several well paying directorships for prominent Lib Dems in the future.

[pancreas]

And don't forget the rebarbative extended experience of enduring all those people (including the present leader of the Labour Party) suddenly forgetting they had anything to do with facilitating this complete catastrophe.

https://youtu.be/LHlMOSQ38A4?t=57

[king_tubby]

The Starmer cultists have harassed journalist Jon Stone from Twitter, all for saying you don't really need an SUV in Kentish Town.

So much for a kinder, gentler politics.

[BlodwynPig]

And don't forget the rebarbative extended experience of enduring all those people (including the present leader of the Labour Party) suddenly forgetting they had anything to do with facilitating this complete catastrophe.

where would one go to learn the word rebarbative. I don't fancy I have heard that word in a good 25 years and even then I never knew what it meant.

[BlodwynPig]

The Starmer cultists have harassed journalist Jon Stone from Twitter, all for saying you don't really need an SUV in Kentish Town.

So much for a kinder, gentler politics.

Beige New Deal for the baby men in giant killing toys.

[Buelligan]

where would one go to learn the word rebarbative. I don't fancy I have heard that word in a good 25 years and even then I never knew what it meant.

My mother used it quite frequently.  She put up with a great deal.

[BlodwynPig]

My mother used it quite frequently.  She put up with a great deal.

"haddaway you rebarbative little so and so"

[bgmnts]

I've been called rebarbative. Nicest thing anyone's ever said to me.

[Cold Meat Platter]

Does anyone make rhubarb and ginger jam anymore? I used to like that.

[Cuellar]

I've been called rebarbative.

WHAT FUCKER SAID THAT

[pancreas]

WHAT FUCKER SAID THAT

I CALLED HIM A REBARBATIVE AND NOW I'M CALLING YOU ONE.

REBARBATIVE!

[pancreas]

Lavery's been solid as a rock.

https://twitter.com/IanLaveryMP/status/1321152490633613318?s=20

Was some talk of him running for leader. Wouldn't have won. And there was some disquiet over him being paid loads of money by his union for a house. Dunno. I can tolerate a bit of moral quagmire, personally.

[Sebastian Cobb]

The Starmer cultists have harassed journalist Jon Stone from Twitter, all for saying you don't really need an SUV in Kentish Town.

So much for a kinder, gentler politics.

Heard some of them try and say it's not technically an suv. I suppose it's really a subcompact luxury crossover, which just means 'European suv, because our roads aren't as big as the ones in America'.

Christ that's dull. It's an suv. And I'd encourage him to drive it to his donkey sanctuary and set fire to it while he's still inside it.

[pancreas]

Corbyn would drive a 1970s Lada. I know which one I'd like to be run over by.

[Blumf]

Heard some of them try and say it's not technically an suv. I suppose it's really a subcompact luxury crossover, which just means 'European suv, because our roads aren't as big as the ones in America'.

Yeah, technically SUV is a US designation for tax and regulation reasons, but everybody uses it as a general term for oversized not-really off-roaders.

Here's a better question: Is it British made? Does Keir support British workers?

[MoonDust]

Has anyone quit the Labour Party since Keir took the reins?

I'm still a member but my patience is wearing thin.

I'm not a Corbyn cultist who thinks he was the be-all and end-all of the Labour Party. Whether through old age or other means he wasn't going to be leader forever. One must look beyond and see the future of the party from a socialist perspective.

I was always sceptical of Keir but did give him the benefit of the doubt after he won. Party democracy and all that, let's see where this takes us.

I must admit I never expected it to be this abysmal. One of the major gripes I have is something Owen Jones pointed to, in that his line of attack as the opposition is attacking Boris Johnson, not the Tories in general. As if, what, things will be better if Boris Johnson wasn't PM but Tories were still in power?

His months of being timid and offering nothing concrete as an alternative whilst the Tories cock everything up is wearing thin.

But perhaps the worst recent thing lately was his firing of two MPs from the frontbench who voted against the Tory's armed forces Bill which effectively lets war criminals in the armed forces off the hook. I know the PLP justify their firing on grounds of them defying the party whip (although their whipping for abstain is another discussion entirely) so yes, parliamentary norms mean front bench MPs who defy the whip are usually punished. But in this instance no one cares about parliamentary norms; all they see is that two MPs voted with their conscience against a bill that would allow our armed forces to act with impunity, and the Labour Party - apparently a party of the left - punished them for it.

A point which is also surely been made already, whilst people think his legal background is a strength, I'm more distrustful, as he's one of those who think progressive politics are won in the courts and other institutions desperately in need of reform. When has he ever championed the Labour movement, trade unionism, etc. as a driver for change? He puts too much faith in the bourgeois institutions which more often than not work against the very people Labour is supposed to represent, and no amount of well-intentioned left-leaning lawyers is going to make the courts change the problems in the UK. That comes from the political arena, not the judicial arena. Surely we know that from across the pond where the left poured all their effort in defeating Trump in the courts, not by political means.

I'm at the end of my tether, honestly. Why should I bother staying on as a member?

[BlodwynPig]

> 100,000 have quit and I urge you to. Anyone who says otherwise is a centrist dinner lady.

[Johnny Yesno]

> 100,000 have quit and I urge you to. Anyone who says otherwise is a centrist dinner lady.

No, they're not. The centrist dinner ladies want you to leave. Stay in the party.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

What are membership numbers looking like, out of interest?

[MoonDust]

I read an article in the latest Tribune about hospitality workers getting really organised and unionising during this pandemic. I prefer the term "militant dinner ladies".

And yes, there is a sense the centrists want the left to leave. But groups like the Socialist Campaign Group give me hope that all is not lost.

[Sebastian Cobb]

What are membership numbers looking like, out of interest?

I check periodically but it's very hard to tell as it would seem official numbers haven't been released. This has resulted in spurious numbers from the left including claims of 300k from 'leaked documents' on skwawkbox box to the leadership themselves claiming numbers have increased despite using numbers slightly lower than at the end of 2019.

[Buelligan]

Why doesn't somebody just ask for the numbers?  This isn't Stalinist Russia.

[BlodwynPig]

No, they're not. The centrist dinner ladies want you to leave. Stay in the party.

I don't like the party. It's not for me.

[BlodwynPig]

I read an article in the latest Tribune about hospitality workers getting really organised and unionising during this pandemic. I prefer the term "militant dinner ladies".

And yes, there is a sense the centrists want the left to leave. But groups like the Socialist Campaign Group give me hope that all is not lost.

It's hope that kills you.