Author Topic: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger  (Read 62603 times)

BlodwynPig

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #570 on: October 28, 2020, 10:32:45 PM »
Disgusting liars

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« Reply #571 on: October 28, 2020, 10:39:21 PM »
Hope Ashworth and Oldknow get crucified.

Joking. Of course they won't.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #572 on: October 28, 2020, 10:58:09 PM »
Don't wind yourself up about it. Don't give them the dignity of your interest. They'll have their week of hysteria and then it will vanish like the ephemeron it is. Ignore.

Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #573 on: October 28, 2020, 11:18:57 PM »
As much as I dislike Jonathan Ashworth, even the headline the Guardian are using - Antisemitism inquiry is Labour's most shameful moment, says senior MP - is so dishonest.

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Asked if the investigation was the most shameful moment in the party’s history, Jonathan Ashworth, the shadow health secretary, agreed that “it probably was, yes”.

Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #574 on: October 28, 2020, 11:20:45 PM »
biggest cunt in the world

https://twitter.com/LordIanAustin/status/1321532372916019200

he even changed his twitter HANDLE to lord

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #575 on: October 28, 2020, 11:28:09 PM »
He's not the biggest cunt in the world, he's a wanky sad no-mates little cunt that, even when he's behaving publicly like a class traitor, is still uninteresting.  Don't waste your time reading his miserable irrelevant words, that's my advice.  #dogbotherer

Jonathan Ashworth is an awful fucking cunt and all.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #576 on: October 28, 2020, 11:31:43 PM »
The video of him bullying a jewish professor is pretty incredible. The world we live in is so confusing yet so transparent to me, it's amazing we haven't all nuked each other.

pancreas

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #577 on: October 28, 2020, 11:38:33 PM »
Sorry, did nobody hear what I just said?

IG-FUCKING-NORE IT.

It is SHIT for CUNTS.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #578 on: October 28, 2020, 11:42:10 PM »
Alright.



What should we be learning from the experience of Manchester and Burnham?

pancreas

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #579 on: October 28, 2020, 11:43:12 PM »
Calling tories cunts is maybe a vote winner?

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #580 on: October 29, 2020, 12:32:24 AM »
Alright.



What should we be learning from the experience of Manchester and Burnham?

That if we had to have a centrist leading the party in 2020, I wish it was Burnham.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #581 on: October 29, 2020, 07:35:15 AM »
He's not the biggest cunt in the world, he's a wanky sad no-mates little cunt that, even when he's behaving publicly like a class traitor, is still uninteresting.  Don't waste your time reading his miserable irrelevant words, that's my advice.  #dogbotherer

Jonathan Ashworth is an awful fucking cunt and all.

He's also going to have to spend the rest of his life among people who don't think he belongs. That is a significant punishment.

BlodwynPig

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #582 on: October 29, 2020, 07:46:51 AM »
Sorry, did nobody hear what I just said?

IG-FUCKING-NORE IT.

It is SHIT for CUNTS.

Keeps rearing its apocalyptically dishonest and smug head though doesn't it.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #583 on: October 29, 2020, 07:55:15 AM »
I think it is worth talking about, at least for a day, as I suspect there will be a big difference between the content of the report and how it is perceived. The trailers are already using the language of "indirect discrimination" which points to a more complex narrative than the one that the Labour right and their chums in the press want us to believe.

But, no, the forum police have decided. Fuck you, bye.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #584 on: October 29, 2020, 07:57:42 AM »
I think it is worth talking about, at least for a day, as I suspect there will be a big difference between the content of the report and how it is perceived. The trailers are already using the language of "indirect discrimination" which points to a more complex narrative than the one that the Labour right and their chums in the press want us to believe.

But, no, the forum police have decided. Fuck you, bye.

Indirect discrimination = no discrimination. Pancreas indirectly shut down conversation about this topic = Pancreas did not shut down conversation about this topic.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #585 on: October 29, 2020, 07:59:54 AM »
I think we need to look seriously at defunding the forum police.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #586 on: October 29, 2020, 09:32:59 AM »
I think it is worth talking about, at least for a day, as I suspect there will be a big difference between the content of the report and how it is perceived. The trailers are already using the language of "indirect discrimination" which points to a more complex narrative than the one that the Labour right and their chums in the press want us to believe.

But, no, the forum police have decided. Fuck you, bye.

Sorry, I don't actually expect people to obey me. Carry on.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #587 on: October 29, 2020, 09:52:18 AM »
Don't you tell me what to do.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #588 on: October 29, 2020, 10:19:55 AM »
Seems like only two instances of actual AS so far. Indirect discrimination is a complex thing. I hope the report goes into detail about when these things happened - all that's been said so far is that it has continued under Starmer. A key question is what was going on before Corbyn came on the scene.

Is the report itself out yet? Or is it just hearsay so far.

I think we need to look seriously at defunding the forum police.

That would be nice, sick of them.

Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #589 on: October 29, 2020, 10:22:02 AM »
A pdf of the EHRC investigation is available here.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #590 on: October 29, 2020, 10:22:36 AM »
Thanks -found it eventually! (Guardian link was to a local file on their hard drive... 'ksake).

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #591 on: October 29, 2020, 10:29:22 AM »
Sorry, I don't actually expect people to obey me. Carry on.

Tread lightly, for you tread on our dreams.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #592 on: October 29, 2020, 10:35:02 AM »
I love that.  I literally have the cloths of heaven on the end of my bed.

Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #593 on: October 29, 2020, 10:36:18 AM »
Perhaps the main thing to comment on would be that the report suggests an improved complaints service, something that was happening as the left gained more control of the party but I'm guessing has largely stopped now in favour of the old system of doing fuck all unless their was some political capital to be made.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #594 on: October 29, 2020, 10:42:00 AM »
Agree. The report implies, but doesn't go far enough to state explicitly, that the crap complaints system has always been crap. So if Corbyn takes the rap then so should ever other Leader in the party's history. They seem to have been condemned for improving their sexual harassment procedures to a greater extent than those for antisemitism. So from a legal POV they'd be in a better place if they'd not bothered themselves with sexual harassment. I accept that the system was (and is) crap, and this can lead to some groups being disadvantaged more than others, and this constitutes indirect indiscrimination which is illegal. But the argument that it got worse under Corbyn seems to be weak (and things did actually seem to improve).

Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #595 on: October 29, 2020, 10:43:57 AM »
Response from Corbyn:


Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #596 on: October 29, 2020, 10:45:40 AM »
Fucking hell, this is almost as forensic as Keir:

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There is evidence of LOTO staff being directly involved in the decision to investigate the second complaint of antisemitism made against Ken Livingstone. The Labour Party confirmed to us that a decision to ‘go to Disputes’, that is, to the NEC Disputes Panel, which was described as having been made ‘higher up’, was likely to refer to the decision having been made by LOTO and the General Secretary’s Office (GSO). It therefore appears that LOTO staff, and potentially GSO staff, interfered in the decision to investigate the conduct of Ken Livingstone.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #597 on: October 29, 2020, 10:47:32 AM »
But isn't "going to disputes" the actual procedure? So LOTO stating the procedure = interference??

According to the report, Corbyn's statement is an antisemitic trope.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #598 on: October 29, 2020, 10:49:31 AM »
What a vast waste of everyone's fucking time this is going to be.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v3: Abstainence Makes the Farce Grow Stronger
« Reply #599 on: October 29, 2020, 10:54:46 AM »
Deadly pandemic that the government are largely ignoring, resulting in the projected deaths of thousands, cigs

No-deal Brexit that's going to devastate the industries that remain in business despite massive mishandling of the above, cigs

Government taken over by an executive with plans to insulate itself from legal and parliamentary accountability and cement itself at the head of a one-party state, cigs

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