Author Topic: Government using Covid as an excuse to force TFL to cut young and old concession  (Read 458 times)

Sebastian Cobb

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Article about cutting for pensioners:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tfl-bus-london-underground-fare-free-travel-bailout-sadiq-khan-b1058724.html

Article about cutting for kids:
https://news.sky.com/story/government-offers-transport-for-london-further-1631bn-bailout-12105037?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

There's a school of thought that it's largely done to damage Sadiq Khan.

You could argue that few, if any places give kids free travel outside of London, but that's not the point is it? Making things unfair for kids in London wouldn't make things fair. Also I believe the point as to why it's done in London is their travel network is naturally that good that they can do this without having to run school buses, unlike lots of other places where the public transport is too crap to facilitate that.

Fambo Number Mive

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Instead of levelling up, the Tories are levelling down - attempting to making London transport as crap as transport outside London.


Gurke and Hare

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There's a school of thought that it's largely done to damage Sadiq Khan.

It absolutely is - Shaun Bailey, the Tory mayoral candidate who gives Johnson a run for his money in the lying bastard stakes keeps tweeting lies that this is something Khan is doing, and that if he gets in he'll sort it all out.

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Didn't Livingstone want to extend the congestion charge zone, and Johnson opposed this when he was mayor of London? I'm not sure if Livingstone wanted to extend is as far as the Tories propose now though.

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Boris Johnson, said: 'The people of west London had the Western Extension unfairly foisted upon them and they have now voiced their antipathy for it loud and clear on several occasions.

Bailey is already trying to blame Khan for what the Tory Government want: https://twitter.com/ShaunBaileyUK/status/1316027134096236547

He also tried to blame Khan for fans not being allowed into football stadiums in London, which is surely the decision of the Government. And it's also right that fans aren't allowed into football stadiums given the pandemic.

No doubt he'll be Prime Minister/the current dictator in ten years' time.

Sebastian Cobb

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Khan did remove exemptions from private hire cars, which seems like a misstep really.

Khan did remove exemptions from private hire cars, which seems like a misstep really.

Does it? Surely private hire cars cause as much congestion and pollution as people driving their own cars. More, in fact, as they're not just driving from A to B, but from wherever they were before to A, and from B to wherever they need to be next.

Of course the government (be it Johnson's or Khan's) should ensure that the company rather than the individual drivers have to pay it, but I don't see an issue with charging it in principle.

Gurke and Hare

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Black cabs don't have to pay it though, I don't think, which seems an unfair advantage.

Sebastian Cobb

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Does it? Surely private hire cars cause as much congestion and pollution as people driving their own cars. More, in fact, as they're not just driving from A to B, but from wherever they were before to A, and from B to wherever they need to be next.

Of course the government (be it Johnson's or Khan's) should ensure that the company rather than the individual drivers have to pay it, but I don't see an issue with charging it in principle.

It's not about whether individual journeys are more or less bad it's about displacing car ownership, since making a car is about as bad as driving 170k miles and if someone doesn't have a car they're probably going to use public transport alongside the odd PH journey. If they still owned a car they'd probably drive everywhere and make more unnecessary driven journeys when they could have taken PT, PH or walked.

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