Author Topic: Farage to rebrand Brexit party as anti-lockdown focussed 'Reform UK'  (Read 1026 times)



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Re: Farage to rebrand Brexit party as anti-lockdown focussed 'Reform UK'
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2020, 02:10:29 PM »
Takes votes away from the Tories...?

*clutches straw*

Fambo Number Mive

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Re: Farage to rebrand Brexit party as anti-lockdown focussed 'Reform UK'
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2020, 02:22:35 PM »
Herd immunity has been thoroughly discredited, which that BBC article should have pointed out.


SpiderChrist

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Re: Farage to rebrand Brexit party as anti-lockdown focussed 'Reform UK'
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2020, 02:28:42 PM »
Takes votes away from the Tories...?

*clutches straw*

In the past, didn't the Tories just move to the right to accommodate Farage's lunatic demands, instead of having votes taken away from them?

Re: Farage to rebrand Brexit party as anti-lockdown focussed 'Reform UK'
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2020, 02:40:11 PM »
This seems kind of short-sighted. Campaigns as Brexit party last year (no MPs), then Brexit happens. Now it's COVID party (hopefully COVID is on the decline before any elections). When does he just nail his colours to the mast and launch The Racist Party?

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Re: Farage to rebrand Brexit party as anti-lockdown focussed 'Reform UK'
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2020, 02:55:06 PM »
In the past, didn't the Tories just move to the right to accommodate Farage's lunatic demands, instead of having votes taken away from them?

Yeah, Farage is a useful experiment to see how far right the British 'populist' vote has swung.

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Re: Farage to rebrand Brexit party as anti-lockdown focussed 'Reform UK'
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2020, 02:58:37 PM »
Herd immunity has been thoroughly discredited, which that BBC article should have pointed out.

You've said that before, can you link to something to back it up? That would mean we're completely fucked.

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Re: Farage to rebrand Brexit party as anti-lockdown focussed 'Reform UK'
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2020, 03:06:33 PM »
I mean pursuing the goal of herd immunity while we wait for a vaccine.

The Imperial College study has said that the percentage of people with antibodies is falling:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/207333/coronavirus-antibody-prevalence-falling-england-react/

There have been some cases of people catching it twice, such as Dr Alexander Chepurnov and a man in Nevada:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/13/man-25-catches-coronavirus-twice-in-first-such-us-case

Farage's plan of just letting the virus rip through the population and hope enough people get immunity won't work because people who get the virus in March may not have antibodies by November.

Locking down will buy us more time while we develop a vaccine.

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Re: Farage to rebrand Brexit party as anti-lockdown focussed 'Reform UK'
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2020, 03:18:46 PM »
Opportunist finds new grift alert.

It was probably going to be the sink migrant dinghies party before this new lockdown was announced.

Re: Farage to rebrand Brexit party as anti-lockdown focussed 'Reform UK'
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2020, 03:46:38 PM »
In the past, didn't the Tories just move to the right to accommodate Farage's lunatic demands, instead of having votes taken away from them?

Found this depressing and worrying for this reason... but hopefully it won't really matter? Tories are in a position where they can ignore them at the moment, and even then there'd be the hope for a vaccine and no longer any need for lockdown before they could have any significant influence.

Seems like it's more a way to squeeze some tv appearances out of the current situation.

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Re: Farage to rebrand Brexit party as anti-lockdown focussed 'Reform UK'
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2020, 03:54:47 PM »
I mean pursuing the goal of herd immunity while we wait for a vaccine.
Oh OK, yeah.
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The Imperial College study has said that the percentage of people with antibodies is falling:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/207333/coronavirus-antibody-prevalence-falling-england-react/

There have been some cases of people catching it twice, such as Dr Alexander Chepurnov and a man in Nevada:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/13/man-25-catches-coronavirus-twice-in-first-such-us-case

Two things here:
1) It's easy to get overly focussed on the presence of antibodies, because it's a straightforward marker of immunity(sort of) that can be easily tested for in the population. But the immune system is complicated - it's usual for antibody levels to fall over time and long-term immunity actually comes from T and B cells, and there are signs covid does still generate T cell response
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/201833/cell-immunity-what-does-help-protect/
https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/science-and-technology/2020/08/why-antibodies-may-not-be-the-key-to-beating-coronavirus
2) That's good, because if a real infection doesn't provide long term immunity, it makes it a lot less likely that a vaccine will.

I'd say it's still impossible to say what the rate of reinfection is and whether that's a problem. It would be weird if there were no reported cases of reinfection at this point. I think the real problem with the no-lockdown, natural immunity strategy is the same one as back in March - it will completely fuck the hospitals and their ability to provide care and that will drive the death toll up massively.

Trust Farage to find and another little-englander cause to join himself too.

Re: Farage to rebrand Brexit party as anti-lockdown focussed 'Reform UK'
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2020, 06:08:26 PM »
Also, Farage is still supporting the Great Barrington Declaration which requires locking up the vulnerable, millions of whom have jobs, look after relatives, live with other non-vulnerable people, or require care and medical attention, while the virus rampages through everyone else. Nobody has explained how this is supposed to work without mass movement of people, huge quarantine camps, etc. (Still I guess we should be grateful he's not advocating actually killing the elderly.)

Re: Farage to rebrand Brexit party as anti-lockdown focussed 'Reform UK'
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2020, 06:30:14 PM »
Nobody has explained how this is supposed to work without mass movement of people, huge quarantine camps, etc. (Still I guess we should be grateful he's not advocating actually killing the elderly.)

Boris has already started with the ghettos but still a bit insensitive of to name them Dachau Ravensbruck and Treblinka

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