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Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
« Reply #480 on: December 14, 2020, 04:32:13 PM »
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Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
« Reply #481 on: December 14, 2020, 04:36:13 PM »
What do youse reckon, is this glittering symposium going to freshen up Glinner’s profile or lower Moore’s?

Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
« Reply #482 on: December 14, 2020, 04:41:02 PM »
So here's a question; why is it that Suzanne Moore is blind enough to Glinner's mad bullying of little people as to condone or support the man? I thought the same about Wossy's muted support, too. I suppose there are three / four possibilities.

  • I'm totally wrong about Glinner and he's a fine man who is not a bully
  • Suzanne Moore is aware that Glinner is a bully and thinks it's okay to support bullies because she is an amoral shithead
  • Suzanne Moore is unaware Glinner is a bully cos she hasn't really paid attention to anything he's ever said on the internet
  • Suzanne Moore does not recognise that Glinner is a bully because she does not recognise his behaviour as bullying - as is the case of many of these media folk, it seems

Because there are many other transphobes she could've gone to and she's gone for Glinner, who is recognised as a toxic brand even by his own side.

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Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
« Reply #483 on: December 14, 2020, 05:11:58 PM »
Fantastic, hope she destroys herself by association.

Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
« Reply #484 on: December 14, 2020, 05:23:03 PM »
Hahahhahahahahaha

Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
« Reply #485 on: December 14, 2020, 05:29:41 PM »
"Us Substackers gotta stack subs together, Suzanne! Support each other's stacking of subs!"

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Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
« Reply #486 on: December 14, 2020, 05:59:38 PM »
    • I'm totally wrong about Glinner and he's a fine man who is not a bully
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    • Suzanne Moore is aware that Glinner is a bully and thinks it's okay to support bullies because she is an amoral shithead
    • Suzanne Moore is unaware Glinner is a bully cos she hasn't really paid attention to anything he's ever said on the internet
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    • Suzanne Moore does not recognise that Glinner is a bully because she does not recognise his behaviour as bullying - as is the case of many of these media folk, it seems

    So is she surrounding herself with him? I have to say I keep quite a good diet away from this kindof stuff and I'm not seriously on Twitter or Facebook.  From the little I know and despite CAB being more obsessed with Glinner than is healthy for itself, it seems obvious that he has been engaging in bullying and has promoted bullies and vile statements online.  Now I don't know if he has made serious attempts to distance himself from these people - my reading from here is absolutely not and it is more a case of doubling down really - but my sense is that he is committed to this view that trans-women are a danger to cis-women (I'm only saying this because that is my understanding so please do tell me if i'm wrong).

    So that viewpoint is probably what they are focusing on; they don't accept that this is a discriminatory view because they don't accept trans-women as women; seeing them as men; and men are fair game for attacking (my points going back that this isn't just as simple as TERFism, to them it isn't about excluding trans-women from feminism but excluding men; as they do not recognise trans-women as women). Moore is blind to this because she is/was the kindof feminist that was blind mens problems[1]; which in this case and from her perspective are men wanting the same rights as women and not men who feel they are not comfortable with their biologically assigned sex (as mentioned it really is all about trans-women and not trans-men).  I really hope i'm not getting anything wrong here; this is just my take and if I'm getting anything wrong please tell me as I am really trying to learn stuff here[2]

    So TLDR; her and the media don't see it as bullying because; they simply don't agree with the premises; even though this obvious from the behaviours which could be about any vulnerable group.  She may well have stepped through that mental door where empathy is removed for expediency and she simply can't feel the pain of anyone outside of her interest group.  Glinner is just a potential ally (who has different cause in a way) in this and the nasty online harassers are necessary; oikish and uncouth but she knows turning on your audience that someone else that will feed their anger and could take her place; therefore there is a certain amount of internal denial of what is going on; leading to things like skipping over quickly examples of bullying or becoming highly defensive when asked about such things - as in there somewhere is the knowledge she is being complicit in some bad shit and tickling it makes her uncomfortable.

    Her is here writing a few year back in the NS; sadly sounds quite familiar:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2016/09/suzanne-moore-why-i-was-wrong-about-men

    Quote from: Suzanne Moore
    Men. You can’t live with them. You can’t shoot them. Well, you can, but this is the New Statesman. And modern feminism spends most of its life not just bending over backwards, but in the doggy position, saying how much it likes men. “I’m a feminist but . . . I love men.” Obviously I’m being a bit binary here, and when I write “men”, I mean women, blokes, anyone fluid enough basically to be in charge.

    I once adhered to this. I didn’t want to put anyone off. I used to call feminism “sexual politics”, because that sounded way more sexy. Hey, I’m no man-hater – on the contrary. Look at me. Men? Can’t get enough of them, the poor, damaged critters. It’s not their fault. They’re as screwed up by the patriarchy as ordinary women, probably even more so.

    All the special boys. What about the ones who were abused at public school and now run everything but can’t express their emotions properly? All the man victims, trapped by masculinity. Who could hate them? Their oppression is structural. You can’t hate them individually, can you?

    You know what? I can. Please don’t confuse that with bitterness. I am in touch with my emotions enough to know the difference between personal hurt and class hatred. As a class, I hate men. I’ve changed my mind. I am no longer reasonable.
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     1. of which growing up in the wrong body is one
     2. PS my overall view is just everyone deserves respect and to feel safe and it is incumbent on all of us to ensure this is the case and protect vulnerable people from the dark messy side of humans - this however can come across as bit convenient and nebulous (i don't think it is but i understand why people might think that - it really doesn't stop me punching racists if I have to)


    Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
    « Reply #488 on: December 14, 2020, 06:30:13 PM »
    How many subs could a Substack stack if a Substack could stack subs

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    Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
    « Reply #489 on: December 14, 2020, 06:54:53 PM »


    Well it is better than calling me a rape apologist I suppose.

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    Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
    « Reply #490 on: December 14, 2020, 11:44:55 PM »
    Don't really mean to be rude, Trenter, but I think this is all the same thing that's been said over and over and over and over and over and over and i think cab can do well to stop repeating itself so much on some things

    Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
    « Reply #491 on: January 14, 2021, 12:16:01 AM »
    The final part in any good cancellation tour, a regular column in the Telegraph

    https://twitter.com/suzanne_moore/status/1348921942439571456

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    Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
    « Reply #492 on: January 14, 2021, 12:19:57 AM »
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    Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
    « Reply #493 on: January 14, 2021, 12:24:02 AM »
    Hopefully her presence will inspire Allison Pearson's column to even greater heights and vice versa.

    Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
    « Reply #494 on: January 14, 2021, 12:46:35 AM »
    fucking hell. revolving door of cunts

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    Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
    « Reply #495 on: January 14, 2021, 03:50:17 AM »
    The final part in any good cancellation tour, a regular column in the Telegraph

    https://twitter.com/suzanne_moore/status/1348921942439571456

    The saddest part being that the Telegraph used to be ahead of The Guardian and other rags on trans issues, even having a transgender columnist for a while.

    Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
    « Reply #496 on: January 14, 2021, 11:24:53 AM »
    So are all her columns going to be "waaah don't say mean things to me" on different subjects?

    Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
    « Reply #497 on: January 14, 2021, 11:26:39 AM »
    So are all her columns going to be "waaah don't say mean things to me" on different subjects?

    While going on every possible outlet saying she is the person who is having her voice silenced.

    Re: Suzanne Moore quits The Guardian [split topic]
    « Reply #498 on: January 14, 2021, 11:37:08 AM »
    So are all her columns going to be "waaah don't say mean things to me" on different subjects?

    in the Telegraph, as conclusive proof that conservatives are the real snowflakes.

    Are we allowed to call Suzanne Moore a conservative now? "wow you believe that women should have the same opportunities as men." Surely the left has higher standards for entry?

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