- I'm totally wrong about Glinner and he's a fine man who is not a bully
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- Suzanne Moore is aware that Glinner is a bully and thinks it's okay to support bullies because she is an amoral shithead
- Suzanne Moore is unaware Glinner is a bully cos she hasn't really paid attention to anything he's ever said on the internet
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- Suzanne Moore does not recognise that Glinner is a bully because she does not recognise his behaviour as bullying - as is the case of many of these media folk, it seems
So is she surrounding herself with him? I have to say I keep quite a good diet away from this kindof stuff and I'm not seriously on Twitter or Facebook. From the little I know and despite CAB being more obsessed with Glinner than is healthy for itself, it seems obvious that he has been engaging in bullying and has promoted bullies and vile statements online. Now I don't know if he has made serious attempts to distance himself from these people - my reading from here is absolutely not and it is more a case of doubling down really - but my sense is that he is committed to this view that trans-women are a danger to cis-women (I'm only saying this because that is my understanding so please do tell me if i'm wrong).
So that viewpoint is probably what they are focusing on; they don't accept that this is a discriminatory view because they don't accept trans-women as women; seeing them as men; and men are fair game for attacking (my points going back that this isn't just as simple as TERFism, to them it isn't about excluding trans-women from feminism but excluding men; as they do not recognise trans-women as women). Moore is blind to this because she is/was the kindof feminist that was blind mens problems
[1]; which in this case and from her perspective are men wanting the same rights as women and not men who feel they are not comfortable with their biologically assigned sex (as mentioned it really is all about trans-women and not trans-men). I really hope i'm not getting anything wrong here; this is just my take and if I'm getting anything wrong please tell me as I am really trying to learn stuff here
[2]So TLDR; her and the media don't see it as bullying because; they simply don't agree with the premises; even though this obvious from the behaviours which could be about any vulnerable group. She may well have stepped through that mental door where empathy is removed for expediency and she simply can't feel the pain of anyone outside of her interest group. Glinner is just a potential ally (who has different cause in a way) in this and the nasty online harassers are necessary; oikish and uncouth but she knows turning on your audience that someone else that will feed their anger and could take her place; therefore there is a certain amount of internal denial of what is going on; leading to things like skipping over quickly examples of bullying or becoming highly defensive when asked about such things - as in there somewhere is the knowledge she is being complicit in some bad shit and tickling it makes her uncomfortable.
Her is here writing a few year back in the NS; sadly sounds quite familiar:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2016/09/suzanne-moore-why-i-was-wrong-about-menMen. You can’t live with them. You can’t shoot them. Well, you can, but this is the New Statesman. And modern feminism spends most of its life not just bending over backwards, but in the doggy position, saying how much it likes men. “I’m a feminist but . . . I love men.” Obviously I’m being a bit binary here, and when I write “men”, I mean women, blokes, anyone fluid enough basically to be in charge.
I once adhered to this. I didn’t want to put anyone off. I used to call feminism “sexual politics”, because that sounded way more sexy. Hey, I’m no man-hater – on the contrary. Look at me. Men? Can’t get enough of them, the poor, damaged critters. It’s not their fault. They’re as screwed up by the patriarchy as ordinary women, probably even more so.
All the special boys. What about the ones who were abused at public school and now run everything but can’t express their emotions properly? All the man victims, trapped by masculinity. Who could hate them? Their oppression is structural. You can’t hate them individually, can you?
You know what? I can. Please don’t confuse that with bitterness. I am in touch with my emotions enough to know the difference between personal hurt and class hatred. As a class, I hate men. I’ve changed my mind. I am no longer reasonable.
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