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Zetetic

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #120 on: December 01, 2020, 11:14:27 AM »
Helen Pidd, Guardian North of England editor, on the issue:
https://twitter.com/helenpidd/status/1333667223269994506

Apologies for lack of tweet content reproduction, don't have time and on unhelpful device.

Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #121 on: December 01, 2020, 11:16:48 AM »
Andrew Twentyman's spicy sausage strikes again

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« Reply #122 on: December 01, 2020, 11:21:21 AM »
Obviously we all care passionately, however, about antisemitism.  Especially in the Red Wall.  Goes without saying.  Some solidarities are more equal than others.

I was amazed to learn the Guardian was still paying this moronic middle class twat but then she goes and says something like this and it all makes sense.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #123 on: December 01, 2020, 11:21:57 AM »
Helen Piss

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #124 on: December 01, 2020, 11:31:04 AM »
Worse in this context, because it signals that the opposition don't know what to do about a vitally important area of national interest and a health emergency. This shouldn't be difficult for anyone to work out, or for sympathizers like thugler, Blinder Data, Trenter Percenter or GOB to figure out. Labour really don't know what to do.

Listen Shoulders you are not more leftwing than me, you have not done more to get Corbyn elected than me, you have not walked out of more jobs and made yourself homeless on the principle of not accepting New Labour policies around disabled people than me and you are neither unique or particularly insightful in your critique as to what you see as the barriers to the leftwings progress.

As always happy to discuss why that might be but you really need to stop using the language of facists to describe fellow leftwingers that just might have a different view on things to you.

As pointed out by WHB abstaining is very common and is to signal to the executive that amendments need to be made.  It also is to do with party unity on what concessions can be won and how this all plays out on multiple fronts as the other readings progress.  I spent literally days worth of hours defending Corbyn to remain lefties over this very thing, and the fact these remainers could only muster the simplist of assessments of how this all works did a lot of damage to Labour in the 2019 election. 

Corbyn whipped to abstain loads of times when leader so are we putting him in the pile of optic lefty traitors also now?
« Last Edit: December 01, 2020, 01:14:54 PM by TrenterPercenter »

Zetetic

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Re: Pizzagate
« Reply #125 on: December 01, 2020, 11:45:32 AM »
I was amazed to learn the Guardian was still paying this moronic middle class twat but then she goes and says something like this and it all makes sense.
Helen Piss

Well, quite.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #126 on: December 01, 2020, 11:47:12 AM »
Must admit, I am enjoying reading that thread.  It is weak, I know, but seeing so many people stand up and say what a nasty imbecilic arse she is, is heartening.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #127 on: December 01, 2020, 12:45:05 PM »
I don't actually enjoy it when MPs use their position to advance crackpot ideas that their constituents couldn't give the faintest shit about, and find it annoying when MPs decide to object on behalf of an entire constituency on a matter of personal conscience (personal conscience, who the fuck do you think you are you trumped up piece of shit? you're a fucking servant so fucking serve).

oh dear he's finally lost it

Zetetic

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #128 on: December 01, 2020, 12:55:37 PM »
For context, all Plaid MPs have signed Clive Lewis's letter regarding the deportations planned for tomorrow, and one Welsh Labour MP, Beth Winter (Cynon Valley), out of 22 has.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #129 on: December 01, 2020, 01:14:00 PM »
I think I mentioned that Starmer being viewed as a Single Issue Anti-racist has a lot going for it on multiple fronts.

Zetetic

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #130 on: December 01, 2020, 01:24:09 PM »
Certainly if you're a Plaid candidate (looking to pickup regional votes in the cities?).

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #131 on: December 01, 2020, 01:33:47 PM »
Normally we can say weaponising racism is a bad thing but this scenario its actually functional to getting parity and awareness for other types of racism (this does not need to be at the exclusion of any particular form either).  Everyone wins. Except Starmer.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #132 on: December 01, 2020, 06:02:42 PM »
Oh Kieth, you've done it again!

https://twitter.com/SolHughesWriter/status/1333830751763230721

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The Guardian found Labour's returning "big money" donor is making Islamophobic comments. I see he also had this very odd claim about South Africa



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/01/keir-starmer-urged-to-return-donations-from-islamophobic-property-developer

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #133 on: December 01, 2020, 06:09:31 PM »
There's no room for anti-semitism in the form of insulting Islamaphobes within the Labour party and it's donors.

Starmer must condemn abstain.


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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #135 on: December 01, 2020, 06:14:28 PM »
If Corbyn stabbed Abrahams in the neck with a HB pencil and gave him lead poisoning as he died, then this wouldn't have happened.

Once again, Corbyn's soft touch dooms us all.


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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #137 on: December 01, 2020, 06:23:54 PM »
People keep ringing Keir Starmer and telling him they no longer support the Tories it seems: https://twitter.com/EoghanGilmartin/status/1321017965861654528


Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #138 on: December 01, 2020, 07:07:01 PM »
Oh Kieth, you've done it again!

https://twitter.com/SolHughesWriter/status/1333830751763230721



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/01/keir-starmer-urged-to-return-donations-from-islamophobic-property-developer

So what will he do about it?

Is the answer nothing because this is who he wants paying his salary and dictating policy rather than scum like trade unions members?

Once more, fuck him and his party.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #139 on: December 01, 2020, 07:09:43 PM »


Corbyn whipped to abstain loads of times when leader so are we putting him in the pile of optic lefty traitors also now?

Depends what he was abstaining on and what his motives were.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #140 on: December 01, 2020, 07:20:00 PM »
And, when Corbyn had control of the whip, the government he opposed did not have a meaningful majority, let alone a majority of 80 seats.  Abstaining had some effect.

Starmer whipping to vote against the current government can't realistically expect to win anything but a moral victory.  And abstaining is not going to make the tories make concessions, it simply means that he, as the leader of the opposition, washes his hands of any responsibility. 

Sometimes, on big things, like whether it's OK for government employees to rape and murder people or whether Britain should leave the EU on particular terms, the opposition has a duty, a moral duty, to make its position clear even if it can't affect the outcome of the vote. 

Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #141 on: December 01, 2020, 07:25:19 PM »
It's our CLP meeting in a few minutes and we've arranged a couple of points of order, an amendment and will also publicise an open letter criticising the general sec. Someone's just emailed us all to say it's likely we'll be muted and possibly subsequently suspended. Another (ace) woman has asked that we all make signs to hold up saying things like 'reinstate Jeremy Corbyn' and 'sign the open letter' but that kind of thing just makes my bum twitch and brings me out in hives. Was going to make one saying Sir Fucks Dogs or summat but it's probably best not to.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #142 on: December 01, 2020, 07:28:35 PM »
Good luck HZJ, do a sign if you can, even if you have an itchy bum.  All guns blazing old bat but calm guns, calm word guns that change the world! 

Listen to it again to power yourself up with disrespectful laughter.  https://twitter.com/TheIDSmiths/status/1333355057056780288

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #143 on: December 01, 2020, 07:30:56 PM »
you have not done more to get Corbyn elected than me...etc

Would it be fair to say at this stage the formula for a lot of your posts is “I’m the best at x”, where x is the topic at hand: Italian food, getting Corbyn elected etc?

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #144 on: December 01, 2020, 07:32:11 PM »
It's our CLP meeting in a few minutes and we've arranged a couple of points of order, an amendment and will also publicise an open letter criticising the general sec. Someone's just emailed us all to say it's likely we'll be muted and possibly subsequently suspended. Another (ace) woman has asked that we all make signs to hold up saying things like 'reinstate Jeremy Corbyn' and 'sign the open letter' but that kind of thing just makes my bum twitch and brings me out in hives. Was going to make one saying Sir Fucks Dogs or summat but it's probably best not to.

Also, come back here when it's done and tell everything!  :)

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #145 on: December 01, 2020, 07:35:33 PM »
Diatribe

If you'd stopped to wipe the froth from your mouth you might have seen that I already acknowledged, indeed went so far as to defend the act of abstaining. Unsurprisingly, given I have been blessed with a memory longer than a cuttlefish, I can remember the Brexit period of last year and what Labour did over that period. My criticisms of Starmer are over his choice of abstention and that he doesn't possess enough MPs for that to be a viable strategy let alone useful optics in most cases, and has simply helped reinforce the opinions we have gathered and that you, among others, have fought to deny.

As usual you've exhausted tracts of land in order to say very little, and the pissing contest you opened with is frankly irrelevant to the discussion.

Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #146 on: December 01, 2020, 07:41:57 PM »
Yes good luck HZJ

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #147 on: December 01, 2020, 07:44:58 PM »
It's our CLP meeting in a few minutes and we've arranged a couple of points of order, an amendment and will also publicise an open letter criticising the general sec. Someone's just emailed us all to say it's likely we'll be muted and possibly subsequently suspended. Another (ace) woman has asked that we all make signs to hold up saying things like 'reinstate Jeremy Corbyn' and 'sign the open letter' but that kind of thing just makes my bum twitch and brings me out in hives. Was going to make one saying Sir Fucks Dogs or summat but it's probably best not to.

Good luck.

How much inter-CLP coordination is going on? Would it have more impact if these were announced in packs rather than individually?

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #148 on: December 01, 2020, 07:54:49 PM »
It's our CLP meeting in a few minutes and we've arranged a couple of points of order, an amendment and will also publicise an open letter criticising the general sec. Someone's just emailed us all to say it's likely we'll be muted and possibly subsequently suspended. Another (ace) woman has asked that we all make signs to hold up saying things like 'reinstate Jeremy Corbyn' and 'sign the open letter' but that kind of thing just makes my bum twitch and brings me out in hives. Was going to make one saying Sir Fucks Dogs or summat but it's probably best not to.

Good luck, fella.

Maybe your sign could say #StopThePlane. Kieth has been unacceptably silent on that.

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Re: Labour Party Desolation v4: Just about as bad as you can get
« Reply #149 on: December 01, 2020, 08:01:33 PM »
Make a picture of Keir Starmer slitting the throat of a Yemeni child.

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