Millwall fans boo anti-racism

[Wonderful Butternut]

Do Millwall fans usually abuse their own players? I know they are notoriously the roughest fans but are they discriminating at whom they lob bananas?

They view their own black players as their little pet black people. They're not really like the other ones.

[bigfatheart]

Who didn't dread this? I worry it will happen at Gillingham too. And most other clubs.

Yep - I'm a Derby fan so was watching it at the time, and after the usual "fucking Millwall, what do you expect" stuff, I started thinking about what it would be like if Derby fans were back in the ground. I can definitely think of three blokes who sit near me who'd kick off. Probably not widespread booing but an audible minority, I reckon. And we're more of a 'general cunts' fanbase than a 'racist cunts' one.

[steve98]

I was an extra in a football hooligan movie filmed in Bradford stadium, called "ID" and some of the other hooligans were "pakis"(pakistanis). They just turned up on the first morning's shooting (as advised in The Bradford Argus), and presented themselves as hooligans. Pakistani mums, dads, teenagers, grandparents, about a dozen of them. What could the CD do? Turn them away? Naah.

I see them now (swaddled in football-fan gear gear to try and hide their browness, anoraxs over their saris), mouthing "you're gonna get your fucking head kicked in!..." And the opposition yelling "WE ARE SHADWELL! THE KENNEL IS OUR PLACE; SHADWELL  NEVA-EVA EVA SHALL LOSE FACE. THOUGH YOU HATE US WE COULDN'T GIVE A TOSS! SHADWELL ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS SHALL BE BOSS!" Happy days. Bit weird.

Anyway, the fictional "Shadwell FC" fans were, in real-life, Millwall fans, and they were all revolting throwbacks.

[imitationleather]

You really were an extra in ID?

I'm impressed.

[steve98]

Yes, for my sins.

[Harry Badger]

ID was a great film. Don't remember the inter-racial riot though - in fact all I can remember is one of the hooligans having a job in a 'pickle factory'. I remember watching Barry Norman's Film show in the mid 90s and him expressing his happiness that the film was at number 1 in the UK video charts.

[bgmnts]

Thank god the fans are back.

[madhair60]

No. Ban football.

Yep

[JamesTC]

They should ban racism, if you ask me.

[Small Man Big Horse]

I went to see Millwall play Cambridge Utd in 1999, just after I'd left university* where I'd lived a 5 minute walk from Cambridge's ground in my third year and so had been to most of their home games. I was meeting up with some friends who I hadn't seen since I'd left Cambridge in a pub near to Millwall's ground, and being a fucking idiot I walked in, saw my friends, and greeted them loudly with the line "So how's life in Cambridge?" and the entire pub fell silent, it really was akin to a cliched moment from a tv show or film. Then the landlord made a motion with his head which suggested we should leave, and so we did, and that's why I'm alive to this day.




*Anglia Polytechnic, obviously, I'm clearly not smart enough for the proper university.

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Baker is asking how this lot got tickets.

He must've spent several decades at Cold Blow Lane and the current plastic shit tip perfecting the three wise monkeys technique if he didn't notice he's surrounded by thousands of the cunts every other week.

I was genuinely surprised by that as he has defended football hooligans and Millwall fans unforgivable behaviour before. It's a real blind spot for him. There was a stabbing after the FA Cup game against Everton a couple of seasons ago and he wouldn't condemn it. Just said it always happens. He worships his dead dad though - every story about whom has an undercurrent of violence or just straight-out stories of him thumping people. Very very odd and creepy.

[jobotic]

Does he go? Is he Legend Danny in The Den?

Maybe he's scared of criticizing them, or enjoys feeling hard by association.

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Does he go? Is he Legend Danny in The Den?

Maybe he's scared of criticizing them, or enjoys feeling hard by association.

I don't think he goes to every home game but he certainly goes sometimes. For the record I don't think he's a racist. He is just insanely tolerant of fucking horrible people because they happen to support the same club as him.

[pupshaw]

Do Millwall fans usually abuse their own players? I know they are notoriously the roughest fans but are they discriminating at whom they lob bananas?

I used to go to Millwall at the Old Den in the late 70's and they had 2 black players. Trevor Lee and Phil Walker, and they were treated with that funny kind of respect that people who are racist but for some strange reason want people to think they're not racist (work that out)
They were very good players and very highly respected at the time.

[idunnosomename]

i make jokes but i find this really quite sad to be perfectly honest.

(thanks for the replies btw I am genuinely interested in this)

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I really hope it doesn't now happen at other grounds. Would be a real backwards step.

[jamiefairlie]

I really hope it doesn't now happen at other grounds. Would be a real backwards step.

Don't think it's a backwards step, in reality they hadn't taken any step forward, this was just an illusion due to the fans not being there.

[chveik]

I'd expect there aren't that many racist supporters abusing players of their own teams.

apart from those legends

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world/zenit-st-petersburg-malcom-signing-barcelona-banner-protest-a9039761.html

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Don't think it's a backwards step, in reality they hadn't taken any step forward, this was just an illusion due to the fans not being there.

I dunno. Take it from the POV of a black person: they may have thought that the UK had come together at least symbolically to say black lives matter, but would now feel even more isolated from their country and society. Might even make them more distrusting or fearful of their fellow Brits. That would be a backward step imo.

[idunnosomename]

sensible cow site man weighs in



ah yes. hmm. good point. *shits pants and eats it*

[DrGreggles]

sensible cow site man weighs in



ah yes. hmm. good point. *shits pants and eats it*

And they didn't throw bananas because they are racist. They threw them because they were concerned about the lack of fibre in the black players' diets.

[Thursday]

Later in the day Chelsea fans applauded players taking the knee. Possibly just to get one over on Millwall fans, or some fans, knowing their reputation, did it pre-emptively to drown out the racist one's. That seemed to be the protocol during minute silences, they became minute applauses.

[jonbob]

I am shocked and stunned that this happened at a football club who's supporters have long standing links to combat 18.

[kngen]

Used to live on the road that runs up to Selhurst Park (when both Palace and Wimbledon shared the ground). Was always a treat to hang out the windae when Chelsea or Millwall came to town (living on the first floor, and on the main route between the ground and South Norwood station, we'd get the cans in and settle in for the spectacle). Chelsea were bad, but I've never seen such a bunch of scummy cunts as the Millwall were - and I've lived in Glasgow surrounded by Rangers fans as a fenian.

Major salutations to Colin Kazim-Richards for his magisterial stance (one of our ain, no matter how short his tenure was).

[Chedney Honks]

No-one likes us
We don't care
About racial equality

[greenman]

Do two-thirds of Millwall supporters self-identify as having an ethnicity other than White British/English?

The handful of times I'v visited its always a source of amusement seeing the Millwall fans scurry quietly though the area around the ground to their "bastion of britishness" complete with Union Jack flying over the ground.

You could argue I spose their presense has probably helped keep more of the racist twat element out of Palace and indeed helped our youth system down the years as well, I mean who are non white parents going to preffer their child goes to train with?

[Paul Calf]

I was an extra in a football hooligan movie filmed in Bradford stadium, called "ID" and some of the other hooligans were "pakis"(pakistanis). They just turned up on the first morning's shooting (as advised in The Bradford Argus), and presented themselves as hooligans. Pakistani mums, dads, teenagers, grandparents, about a dozen of them. What could the CD do? Turn them away? Naah.

I see them now (swaddled in football-fan gear gear to try and hide their browness, anoraxs over their saris), mouthing "you're gonna get your fucking head kicked in!..." And the opposition yelling "WE ARE SHADWELL! THE KENNEL IS OUR PLACE; SHADWELL  NEVA-EVA EVA SHALL LOSE FACE. THOUGH YOU HATE US WE COULDN'T GIVE A TOSS! SHADWELL ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS SHALL BE BOSS!" Happy days. Bit weird.

Anyway, the fictional "Shadwell FC" fans were, in real-life, Millwall fans, and they were all revolting throwbacks.

I'm genuinely impressed that you were an extra in that film. I really like it although some of the football culture stuff - including that chant - is embarrassingly nerdy, clunky and exactly what a middle class TV producer would think a football chant might sound like.

See also: the toe-curling Chant Laureate shite.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3702313.stm

TV has never really been able to capture the spontaneity, wit and casual violence of the football terraces.

It's miles better than Charlie bladdy 'Unnins Green Street though.

[Schmo Diddley]

Millwall will get the headlines but there will be lots of other clubs where racist fans don't agree with it and either aren't in the ground or their booing won't get reported.

I'm a Huddersfield fan and there's an ongoing thread on our forum about why Middlesbrough didn't take a knee in our match on Tuesday. An early post which got lots of likes said:

"The question is why should anybody take the knee. The fact so many people have been duped into supporting a socialist-anarchist movement, that has thinly veiled itself as an equal rights movement, is a pretty damning assessment of modern society."

A lot of racists will dress up their opposition to taking a knee with this sort of shit. Football fans generally include the most reactionary people in society, the more intelligent of which will claim "I'm not taking a knee so that we can defund the police" when they realise that's not what is happening in the UK and they are in fact happy for black people to never get any sort of equality and receive racist abuse until the end of time.

[ArtParrott]

I'm genuinely impressed that you were an extra in that film. I really like it although some of the football culture stuff - including that chant - is embarrassingly nerdy, clunky and exactly what a middle class TV producer would think a football chant might sound like.

See also: the toe-curling Chant Laureate shite.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3702313.stm

TV has never really been able to capture the spontaneity, wit and casual violence of the football terraces.

It's miles better than Charlie bladdy 'Unnins Green Street though.

Have you ever seen the sequel? It ends with Gumbo, the intellectually disabled hero of the first film

Spoiler alert

blowing up the Shadwell F.C. stadium with a suicide vest

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... genuinely.

[Paul Calf]

I'm definitely going to watch that now.