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« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2021, 08:39:44 AM »
On the topic of Jaws 4:
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Re: Films you truly consider 'so bad they're good'
« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2021, 09:34:12 AM »
I've mentioned this one before but I think Road House (1989) fits the bill very well. It's isn't like it's a badly made film (well, production standards are high) or that there's any terrible performances, but you're going to have more questions than answers by the end of the film, as it creates a confusing whole whilst being entertaining and amusing along the way.
It's a game of two halves, in a similar way to Tarantino's From Dusk Till Dawn (but without the vampires); you can't predict its descent into the 2nd half from watching the 1st. In fact I think Tarantino pays homage to Road House by featuring the same bar band in his film as in the opening scene here.
Road House might make more sense if it had vampires, too.

The Island of Dr Moreau (Brando + Val Kilmer), especially with the all the stories of how difficult it was to get finished, the animal human hybrid actors spending hours in make up then not actually doing any acting, so shagging and drinking instead.

Although on a technical level it's not that bad, it's of its time.

There's a documentary about the making of this on Amazon Prime at the moment, entitled Lost Soul: The Doomed Journey of Richard Stanley's Island of Dr. Moreau which looks fun. Watched a bit of it last night up to where Richard Stanley recounts how he employed a warlock to perform a magic ritual while he goes off to meet Brando for the first time to secure his participation in the film.
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Re: Films you truly consider 'so bad they're good'
« Reply #62 on: January 12, 2021, 09:45:48 AM »
Jaws the Revenge is the greatest film about a roaring, super-sonic, grudge-holding fish ever made.

I genuinely enjoy Jaws: The Revenge.  I think that it gets a slightly unfair mauling from folk.  I’ll be the first to admit that the central premise of a teleporting shark seeking revenge upon a specific family of humans is beyond fucking stupid but putting that aside, it’s a very serviceable and entertaining sequel.  The sequence with the shark stalking the fella in the sunken ship is creepy as all heck; proper nightmarish.  At any rate, it’s certainly a darn sight more engaging than the snooze fest which was Jaws 3D.

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« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2021, 10:42:37 AM »
I've mentioned this one before but I think Road House (1989) fits the bill very well. It's isn't like it's a badly made film (well, production standards are high) or that there's any terrible performances, but you're going to have more questions than answers by the end of the film, as it creates a confusing whole whilst being entertaining and amusing along the way.
It's a game of two halves, in a similar way to Tarantino's From Dusk Till Dawn (but without the vampires); you can't predict its descent into the 2nd half from watching the 1st. In fact I think Tarantino pays homage to Road House by featuring the same bar band in his film as in the opening scene here.
Road House might make more sense if it had vampires, too.

I've not seen Roadhouse but it sounds similar to classic-period Jean-Claude Van Damme films where there's a lot of truly terrible stuff, but also the combination of kicking and non-sequiturs is good enough to keep it entertaining.

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« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2021, 10:48:24 AM »
Road House is great.

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« Reply #65 on: January 13, 2021, 11:55:07 AM »
I agree with those calling out The Room for being boring. Too much of it is just badly made and boring to justify watching the whole thing other than as a 'thing' done with company. I imagine those famous screenings would have been exciting before it became about the audience rather than their target. But The Room is best celebrated in Youtube clips, it's an exercise in masochism watching the entire picture.

The Disaster Artist is a fucking cracking book though. The context of the book makes some of the things in the film more interesting, I'll grant you, but it also makes watching the film slightly redundant at times. The context is much, much more interesting than the content.

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« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2021, 03:23:20 PM »
I've mentioned this one before but I think Road House (1989) fits the bill very well. It's isn't like it's a badly made film (well, production standards are high) or that there's any terrible performances, but you're going to have more questions than answers by the end of the film, as it creates a confusing whole whilst being entertaining and amusing along the way.
It's a game of two halves, in a similar way to Tarantino's From Dusk Till Dawn (but without the vampires); you can't predict its descent into the 2nd half from watching the 1st. In fact I think Tarantino pays homage to Road House by featuring the same bar band in his film as in the opening scene here.
Road House might make more sense if it had vampires, too.
I love it. My mate's bar showed "Road House" every Friday night for a year, then we carried on the tradition on Facebook Watch in lockdown until a copyright strike got me.

When you see it so often, your mind wanders - like, how does Jasper, MO, as landlocked as landlocked can be, have a boat shop on the high street? How many people are looking to rent in rural Missouri that Emmet had to turn away 20 people that year? But it's an amazing film.

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Re: Films you truly consider 'so bad they're good'
« Reply #67 on: January 13, 2021, 03:30:25 PM »
Why is Keith David virtually an extra? How many small businesses do you have to extort to afford a helicopter on your lawn and safaris round the world to get all those trophies?

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« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2021, 03:46:41 PM »
Why is Keith David virtually an extra? How many small businesses do you have to extort to afford a helicopter on your lawn and safaris round the world to get all those trophies?
Every now and again, we'd all go on Twitter and try to get #releasethekeithdavidcut trending for a laugh. He had a much larger role left on the cutting room floor - you see him once before they all get the uniforms in the background, and he even does a bit of fighting when Wesley's goons invade the bar that night, again in the background.

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« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2021, 03:50:19 PM »
Road House was on TV recently, so, for those who haven't seen it, keep an eye out. It's basically a story about who controls the gentrification of a small town centre, isn't it?

Preferred the nightclub before the tidied it up, a lot more character.

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« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2021, 03:58:31 PM »
Did they plunder the idea for the chicken wire from The Blues Brothers, where I thought it was just a gag, or are there real bars where bands need that kind of protection from the punters?

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« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2021, 04:02:20 PM »

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« Reply #72 on: January 13, 2021, 05:32:58 PM »
The Island of Dr Moreau (Brando + Val Kilmer), especially with the all the stories of how difficult it was to get finished, the animal human hybrid actors spending hours in make up then not actually doing any acting, so shagging and drinking instead.

Although on a technical level it's not that bad, it's of its time.


I think the first half of this film is actually quite good, but it goes off the rails, and just becomes plain bad, and a bit full.
The Lost Souls documentary is infinitely more entertaining.

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« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2021, 06:07:32 PM »

Edward D Wood's autobiographical, transvestite film Glen Or Glenda is pretty bad but absolutely fascinating. Tackling a subject that nobody wanted to go near at the time, although it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny in the 2020s. Every other film at the time portrayed cross-dressers as  psychopathic perverts (Norman Bates) or was the subject of comedy (Some Like It Hot).

GoG was an attempt at normalising a taboo subject. Pretty sure David Lynch and John Waters have cited the film as a big influence.

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« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2021, 09:24:15 PM »
Edward D Wood's autobiographical, transvestite film Glen Or Glenda is pretty bad but absolutely fascinating. Tackling a subject that nobody wanted to go near at the time, although it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny in the 2020s. Every other film at the time portrayed cross-dressers as  psychopathic perverts (Norman Bates) or was the subject of comedy (Some Like It Hot).

GoG was an attempt at normalising a taboo subject. Pretty sure David Lynch and John Waters have cited the film as a big influence.

I just rewatched the great Burton/Depp biopic Ed Wood the other night, and that led me to have a look into him again. I'd seen Glen or Glenda once or twice before and always found it to be surprisingly bold and ahead of its time, despite its flaws. Obviously it's superficially quite crap, but it's amazing to think those surrealist dream sequences made it into a film in the early 1950s, let alone all the pro-transvestisism themes. Whether by design or incompetence or both, Wood did make some properly singular films, so his reputation as "the worst filmmaker who ever lived" has always grated a little. I don't think he's even comparable to someone like Wiseau, who tried to emulate the most "normal" American film imaginable and failed spectacularly - he's someone who seemed to have an unique vision but was unable to realise it due to lack of natural talent/finances/quality of actors etc. Some of his writing was actually quite good, and his later pornographic films were certainly ... different to most.

It's interesting you mention John Waters, because he was later able to find some success by doing similar things in a much more confidently "outrageous" way. Wasn't Ed Wood one of the directors idolised by the characters in Cecil B. Demented?

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Re: Films you truly consider 'so bad they're good'
« Reply #75 on: January 13, 2021, 10:21:41 PM »
You are being very generous. Bride of the Monster and Plan 9 are dreadful films (that you can't take your eyes off).

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« Reply #76 on: January 14, 2021, 11:25:43 AM »
I found plan 9 boring, I seem to recall being so confused by what was going on that by the end I didn't care.

This is not an obscure film at all, but I can enjoy Sex and the City 2 in this way. maybe if you liked the show you'd be unable to forgive it walking all over your enjoyment of the series but for me it was just funny, all 4 are awful, awful people in this film and it's a 2 hour love letter to themselves in which they actually end up embarrassing themselves at every turn.

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« Reply #77 on: January 15, 2021, 03:11:05 AM »
I went to a screening of Turkish Star Wars once and that was truly diabolic. It pilfers shots music and effects from the original (plus other films) and cobbles them together into this awful, scuzzy sci/martial arts mess that has to be seen to be believed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCnyay%C4%B1_Kurtaran_Adam

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« Reply #78 on: January 15, 2021, 04:50:30 AM »
I love it. If you get the chance, watch "Remake, Remix, Ripoff" about Turkish cinema, it's really interesting.

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« Reply #79 on: January 15, 2021, 06:03:46 AM »
I love it. If you get the chance, watch "Remake, Remix, Ripoff" about Turkish cinema, it's really interesting.

Don't get me wrong - I love absolute shite, but that was a step too far. I have a dim recollection of watching a screening of Turkish Alice in Wonderland as well.

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« Reply #80 on: January 15, 2021, 06:48:43 AM »
Let's not forget 3 Dev Adam AKA "Turkish Spiderman", where Spiderman is a sadistic gang leader, pursued by Captain America and the wrestler El Santo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BlUYTqCqc0

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« Reply #81 on: January 15, 2021, 08:40:50 AM »
Always been strongly of the opinion that I'd rather watch a 2/10 film than a 5/10 film, since with a 5/10 film the semblance of ambition and holding itself together well enough is far more boring than a 2/10 film, which is often far more compelling in how alluringly shit it is. I love not being able to take my eyes of something because every new shot or line of dialogue is a new level of confusion, just absolutely not what you were expecting, exceeding your expectations of shitness because surely even as someone with no film making experience you feel you could have done at least one scene a bit better yourself.

With that in mind...

All the Neil Breen movies

I'm sure you know about these if you're reading this thread.

How has he not had more mentions here yet? I only became aware of him recently, and I watched "Twisted Pair" before Christmas and it was easily up there with "The Room" among the best worst films I've ever seen.

For context: At the start of his filmmaking career, Breen - who directs, writes and stars in all his films - was a Las Vegas estate agent (<Wayne Campbell voice>  "Excellent") and I'm told all his films somehow involve him as some sort of supernatural being with incredible powers. Breen as an actor however is a fucking wreck of a dude who's old beyond his years, shambling about like a drunk vampire who's just woken up on a park bench, and does not for a single second portray himself in any sort of brave, dramatic or heroic light. He's just a mess, it honestly feels like his brain is on another planet half the time.

"Twisted Pair" is the closest thing I've seen to an actual serious comparison piece to Tim Heidecker's "Decker" stuff. The same shocking editing and acting work across the board that you'll be accustomed to if you've seen stuff like "The Room" but in a modern day setting with fucking heaps of weird, cheap effects and CGI explosions. A sizeable chunk of the film is just Breen superimposed onto stock footage, including the phenomenal opening scene, where yer man haphazardly guides a load of soldiers through a derelict building (to safety, you'd presume, though we never see this) and then blows it up using his powers.

By and large, the film makes basically zero fucking sense whatsoever. There's an evil brother (also played by Breen wearing a black hoodie and a hilariously cheap adhesive beard) who used to (?) have the same crazy powers as his sibling but was cast out of the alliance or something and he's in some sort of weird abusive druggy relationship with a woman, and the main Breen is also in a relationship with another woman who at several points is also alluded to being his sister. Breen greets her at the start of the film by stalking her home, breaking into the house and initiating a sort of forceful rape scenario. There is absolutely no explanation given for any of this and up until the point where they start talking to each other and you realise they know each other, the viewer is led to believe, in the fucking opening scenes of the film, that Breen is just shuffling about trying to rape someone.

There's a lot more going on with evil aliens and shady deals and forces beyond human comprehension littering the plot in the most batshit sloppy fashion that I can't even be arsed t attempt describing it. Suffice to say, if you want something that fits this thread title perfectly, you cannot go wrong with this film. It is truly baffling at every single turn, the special effects are frequently hilarious and the acting, editing and entire plot all defy belief. It's fucking great.

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« Reply #82 on: January 15, 2021, 09:29:58 AM »
The Christmas Cottage
A film  based on the paintings of Thomas Kincaide. Starring one of the guys from Supernatural.

From the Wikipedia:

Peter O'Toole.
Marcia Gay Harden.
And Gabrielle Rose, alias Brenda from Rising Damp.

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« Reply #83 on: January 15, 2021, 05:10:16 PM »
Girlfriend and I enjoy recording and watching terrible disaster movies. Ice-Quake, Collision Earth (2011), Geo-Disaster, that sort of thing. Most recently we watched Solar Destruction/Solar Flare from 2008. One of the worst we've seen for various reasons (mainly a terrible teen actor) but very entertaining for a lot of the same reasons. Also, very little solar destruction in it all.

We also enjoy - somewhat genuinely, somewhat for the taking the piss factor - Hallmark mystery films that are on telly, like Aurora Teagarden Mysteries, Garage Sale Mysteries, The Gourmet Detective. Not so much bad as just very bland, but we make our own fun with them. In fact when we first met we bonded over taking the piss out of a Hallmark romance film set in Ireland.

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« Reply #84 on: January 15, 2021, 08:19:14 PM »
I’m of the opinion that Jason Goes To Hell: The Final Nightmare aka Friday the 13th Part 9 is the best in the series. I was shocked to find out that most fans of the franchise consider it to be one of, if not the worst entry. The main argument I’ve read against the movie is that Jason is barely in it, but he had 8 (well, 6 if you exclude 1 and 5) previous films to do his schtick and, if you watch the series sequentially, it gets old by the one with the psychic girl and Crispin Glover.

Part 9 immediately starts off with a great subversion. Jason essentially gets catfished into chasing a backflipping girl through the woods, she leads him straight into the middle of a sting operation by the FBI, who surround him, riddle him with bullets and finally drop a missile on him, blowing his body to smithereens and finally, irreversibly killing him. If you haven’t seen the movie you might be wondering how they get around killing off the main character in the opening scene. As you should have guessed, the coroner performing Jason’s autopsy eats Jason’s still beating heart, absorbs his spirit before going on a murderous rampage. There’s a genuinely funny scene as coroner/jason leaves the autopsy room. Through a POV shot we see two guards outside (one of whom is played by Kane Hodder)  are talking shit about Jason, it then immediately cuts to a news report showing their maimed bodies slumped down where they had been standing a second earlier. Already, within the first 5 or 10 minutes there’s been more humour and creativity than at least the previous three movies combined.

I won’t bore everyone with a full synopsis of the movie, but there is a black cowboy bounty hunter who somehow knows everything that’s going on and breaks people’s fingers for fun, an action scene that’s all in slow motion because the director accidentally filmed 8 minutes of footage that way, and a split second Freddy Krueger cameo at the very end. I agree with The Mollusk that a 2/10 movie is more enjoyable than a 5, and I think Jason Goes To Hell benefits greatly by being a terrible movie surrounded by mediocrity.

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« Reply #85 on: January 15, 2021, 09:33:00 PM »
I’m of the opinion that Jason Goes To Hell: The Final Nightmare aka Friday the 13th Part 9 is the best in the series.

I'm with you there.  Then again I'm not a fan of the series in general at all (I've probably only seen a grand total of 5 movies in the franchise), so that may explain why I like it.  I always found Jason Goes To Hell to be entertaining schlock, unlike the bore fests of the other installments I watched.  I especially enjoyed the nods to other horror films (the necronomicon from Evil Dead and the crate from Creepshow).  From what I understand the fans who hate it seem to hate it because of the lore breaking and what have you but I couldn't give less of a shit about the lore of Man in Hockey Mask Kills Teens if I tried, so I had a grand old time.  At least it did something different to the usual generic slasher template; a sub-genre which bores me to tears.

I agree with The Mollusk that a 2/10 movie is more enjoyable than a 5, and I think Jason Goes To Hell benefits greatly by being a terrible movie surrounded by mediocrity.

That's very true.

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« Reply #86 on: January 16, 2021, 12:14:38 AM »
Troll 2 is an obvious one - with its own documentary "Best Worst Movie" - but for very good reason. The acting is hypnotically bad, the dialogue choices are bizarre and the special effects are so poor they're almost non-existent. The female witch character deserves special mention because she's weirdly magnetic onscreen even though she basically isn't even acting.

Definitely worth a watch, as is the much more recent documentary.

Edit: whoops, it's already been mentioned by a few people. Of course it has! If anyone hasn't seen the film and/or the documentary, they must rectify this.

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« Reply #87 on: January 16, 2021, 02:07:07 AM »
I’m of the opinion that Jason Goes To Hell: The Final Nightmare aka Friday the 13th Part 9 is the best in the series.
I won’t bore everyone with a full synopsis of the movie, but there is a black cowboy bounty hunter who somehow knows everything that’s going on and breaks people’s fingers for fun

He might know everything that goes on, but he has a fucking weird perspective. I totally understand why the interviewer felt too awkward to ask a follow-up question, but that really did warrant some kind of explanation.

It's one of the best in the series for me too, mainly due to oddball stuff like that. I have a fondness for most of the original Friday The 13th films, but I much prefer the later ones where they're taking the piss (Jason Lives, Goes To Hell, X). The fans overpraise the early films, which are all pretty crap but entertaining slashers, but fail to appreciate a girl psychically chucking a plant pot with a severed head shoved in it at Jason (The New Blood).

There's an interesting compilation of deleted scenes from The New Blood on YouTube. Some lovely effects work butchered there.

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« Reply #88 on: January 16, 2021, 02:20:10 AM »
I've just watched Hard Target. And while I don't think as a whole this film belongs in here, fuck me the cinematography deserves a honourable mention.

For what should be a fairly straight action film, it's fucking mental. In isolation there's lots of technically good, if not artistic shots, but banged together it's such a hot mess.

I can only compare it to the work of a programmer colleague who can write technically good code, but rather than writing something simple, light and efficient manages to overengineer everything, always adding lines of code when they should be removing it, packing things with solutions looking for a problem.

As a film though, it's a spectacle, no doubt.

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« Reply #89 on: January 16, 2021, 02:22:54 AM »
He might know everything that goes on, but he has a fucking weird perspective. I totally understand why the interviewer felt too awkward to ask a follow-up question, but that really did warrant some kind of explanation.

It's one of the best in the series for me too, mainly due to oddball stuff like that. I have a fondness for most of the original Friday The 13th films, but I much prefer the later ones where they're taking the piss (Jason Lives, Goes To Hell, X). The fans overpraise the early films, which are all pretty crap but entertaining slashers, but fail to appreciate a girl psychically chucking a plant pot with a severed head shoved in it at Jason (The New Blood).

There's an interesting compilation of deleted scenes from The New Blood on YouTube. Some lovely effects work butchered there.

Thanks for that link, I hadn’t seen the new blood footage before. I don’t rate the film highly at all, but you’re right in that it’s one of the more piss taking ventures. As for Jason Lives, the Bond pastiche intro is worth the price of admission alone.

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