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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #270 on: March 31, 2021, 06:28:36 PM »
happy trans day y'all!

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #271 on: March 31, 2021, 06:39:46 PM »
Can relate very hard to the pain of having to be closeted when you have no choice but to stay with the family. I've had to do it twice in the past few years and its utterly stifling. I would pack a dress or w/e in my backpack, cycle off to do whatever and change when I got there which isn't practical or ideal. I'm so sorry that you have to put up with this dynamic.

Really hoping you get your own space to be yourself soon. Courage, comrade x
Any time I've worn anything explicitly feminine in the past few years, ie skirts or dresses, I've done it in my room late at night. Which doesn't help much, because it makes it feel like a dirty secret.

That said, I can get away with wearing things like culottes without my mum really noticing, so I suppose I'm luckier than some.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #272 on: March 31, 2021, 07:41:10 PM »
Working class trans people don’t exist? Or live outside London?

The guy who gave me my last cat is trans. He’s a Manc. Big City fan.

Fuck knows. I think he was saying virtue signalling isnt done in the north and they dont want any silly wokeness having anything to do with a northern pure working class salt of the earth party. Just bollocks.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #273 on: March 31, 2021, 07:45:04 PM »
Good from AFC Wimbledon.

www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/news/2021/march/transgender-day-of-visibility-one-of-our-own/

Hope you're all having a good day, trans comrades.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #274 on: March 31, 2021, 08:30:18 PM »
Working class trans people don’t exist? Or live outside London?

The guy who gave me my last cat is trans. He’s a Manc. Big City fan.
Sure we do, but "working class" just seems to mean straight white able-bodied men to some folk. I bristle whenever I hear "working class" used in that way, because it's usually used to shit on us, when it should be the opposite. We need more solidarity and less red-brown cack.

Also, sorry to hear about your predicament, purlieu. Sounds like a right pain. I hope you can manage to get out of it at some point soon. And, of course, happy TDOV to all other trans people here. I've not been very visible today but I can't be arsed.

Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #275 on: March 31, 2021, 08:52:14 PM »
Sure we do, but "working class" just seems to mean straight white able-bodied men to some folk. I bristle whenever I hear "working class" used in that way, because it's usually used to shit on us, when it should be the opposite. We need more solidarity and less red-brown cack.

Also, sorry to hear about your predicament, purlieu. Sounds like a right pain. I hope you can manage to get out of it at some point soon. And, of course, happy TDOV to all other trans people here. I've not been very visible today but I can't be arsed.
It is an enormous pet peeve of mine.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #276 on: April 01, 2021, 07:20:42 PM »
how badly can i fuck things up if diy with estrofem? it seems pretty safe to diy with compared to the other ones right?

ive been on finasteride for like 12 months now (1-5mg a day) and the petite feminising effects (weird face fat movements, breast growth, waist changes) are teaseworthy because its just so close ya know

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #277 on: April 01, 2021, 07:36:07 PM »
how badly can i fuck things up if diy with estrofem? it seems pretty safe to diy with compared to the other ones right?

ive been on finasteride for like 12 months now (1-5mg a day) and the petite feminising effects (weird face fat movements, breast growth, waist changes) are teaseworthy because its just so close ya know

Estrofem is just estradiol right? I haven't done DIY but I know there's loads of resources out there. Just make sure you get your blood taken every 3 months or so and start small and gradually work up. It's really really important to know what your blood is doing and if you keep your eyes on that you'll be ok :)

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #278 on: April 02, 2021, 12:52:35 PM »
The RFU put out their proposals for inclusion of trans rugby players (Link here).

The overall reaction from LGBT players/organisations seems to have been “needs a re-think”. Though it is worth pointing out that this is in direct opposition to the (in effect) blanket ban on trans players imposed by the IRB.

Main points are: for female trans players (i.e. designated male at birth, now identifying as female), they need to be under 170cm and 90kg (set at the 90th percentiles of UK cisgendered women’s heights and weights), or if over this need to be assessed by a qualified coach to decide if they have a “material advantage” over other players, or if their may be a safety risk to other players; and they need to prove that their testosterone serum levels are below 5nmol/L, and has been for the last 12 months (and keep it there whilst playing)
For male transgender players, they need to provide a signed statement that they wish to participate in boys’ or mens’ rugby (as applicable) and they “understand the associated risks” involved. They can also choose to continue playing in girls’/womens’ rugby as long as they haven’t started “testosterone or gender re-assignment treatment” after this they can no longer play in female competitions.
For players who are NB or intersex, basically choose which gender they would prefer to play with, and have to go through the same process above if this does not match their sex assigned at birth (if it does match, carry on as normal).

I can see why the RFU feels there needs to be safety precautions for players transitioning, but don’t feel at all comfortable with the idea that some players have to jump through more hoops than I do just to play the same game. I’m not sure there is a simple solution to any of this though.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #279 on: April 02, 2021, 01:00:37 PM »
It's a tricky one. No trans or trans-friendly person wants these extra measures, but there is also the problem that rugby has inherent dangers in it simply from the way it's played. They do sound like they're trying to approach the best possible solution though.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #280 on: April 02, 2021, 01:02:18 PM »
Yeah i'm cis het to fuck so I cant really say but that looks like a well measured effort by the RFU to me.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #281 on: April 02, 2021, 01:07:22 PM »
It's an 'effort' for sure but the whole thing seems rather dehumanising. Just play the damned sport lol

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #282 on: April 02, 2021, 01:09:27 PM »
Rugby is surely dangerous in the sense that you're regularly going to get hit and piled on by people weighing up to 20 stone, so I assume this is why this is being thought out?

You dont get this in other sports beyond combat sports do you?

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #283 on: April 02, 2021, 01:10:13 PM »
I think the height restriction is weird, there are tons of cis women over 170cm, I'm one.  I don't see that as fair at all.  I can see that there are questions of liability, the possibility of people getting injured because they're playing against someone much bigger or heavier, but those possibilities already exist, why legislate against them but only in this instance.  If you're worried about injuries, either don't play rugby or have weight/height rules for everyone.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #284 on: April 02, 2021, 01:13:42 PM »
If you're worried about injuries, either don't play rugby or have weight/height rules for everyone.

Yeah this makes sense. They have weight divisions in boxing and MMA so they could for rugby maybe?

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #285 on: April 02, 2021, 04:36:53 PM »
Are there height/weight rules for cis people too? If not, that seems rum. I'd be interested to know the thinking on this.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #286 on: April 02, 2021, 04:56:12 PM »
Main points are: for female trans players (i.e. designated male at birth, now identifying as female), they need to be under 170cm and 90kg (set at the 90th percentiles of UK cisgendered women’s heights and weights)
oh for fuck's sake

that's 5' 7" and 14st 2lb for everyone still using old money

they gonna ban taller and heavier cisgendered women from playing rugby too?!

EDIT: Leah Lyons (too tall and too heavy) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/leah-lyons/
Aoife McDermott (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/aoife-mcdermott/
Dorothy Wall (too tall and too heavy) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/dorothy-wall/
Eimear Considine (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/eimear-considine/
Enya Breen (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/enya-breen/
Eve Higgins (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/enya-breen/
Grace Moore (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/grace-moore/
Hannah O'Connor (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/hannah-oconnor/
Hannah Tyrell (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/hannah-tyrrell/
Katie O'Dwyer (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/katie-odwyer/
Laura Feely (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/laura-feely/
Lauren Delaney (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/lauren-delany/
Nicola Fryday (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/nichola-fryday/
Stacey Flood (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/stacey-flood/

14 players from the Ireland rugby squad are too tall according to these guidelines, with a few others exactly 170cm in height. Two of them are too tall and too heavy.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2021, 05:06:57 PM by Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse »

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #287 on: April 02, 2021, 04:58:52 PM »
Are there height/weight rules for cis people too? If not, that seems rum. I'd be interested to know the thinking on this.

No. Some places like NZ have weight categories at junior level, which is intended to improve skill levels (i.e. stop the tactic of "give it to the big player to run through them") but having them at open age would be against the idea of the sport being "for all shapes and sizes". The reasoning is given that "research has identified that differences in height, weight and strength provide transgender women with a potential advantage over CIA gender women". And they do provide their sources (available on the statement I linked to earlier). I haven't read these papers myself so don't know the details, but "may provide" and "potential advantages" both seem a little vague and mealy-mouthed for me.

I think the height restriction is weird, there are tons of cis women over 170cm, I'm one.  I don't see that as fair at all.  I can see that there are questions of liability, the possibility of people getting injured because they're playing against someone much bigger or heavier, but those possibilities already exist, why legislate against them but only in this instance.  If you're worried about injuries, either don't play rugby or have weight/height rules for everyone.

I thought so too, but they do say (and I'll assume their numbers are accurate) that this would put you in the top 10% of women, in terms of height, in the UK (I know you're not actually in the UK yourself, but still). I myself am (as a cis man) 176cm and currently 86kg and would definitely be very big of I were female, so I can see where they are coming from. The big question is "is it fair to make some players have to justify themselves in order to play, or does the potential risk to health and safety outweigh their freedoms?". My instinct is to say people should be allowed to identify as what they want and should not face restrictions that others do not have to. But I can see why the RFU might be cautious. Even though I don't agree with them (I'm just saying their justification here, not defending them!)

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #288 on: April 02, 2021, 05:07:03 PM »
I see and can understand that, but the RFU's stance here would put them pretty close to saying that Japanese teams can't play Dutch ones.  Or banning Jonah because he's too big for the little ones.  No, one rule to rule us all, has to be.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #289 on: April 02, 2021, 05:42:49 PM »
oh for fuck's sake

that's 5' 7" and 14st 2lb for everyone still using old money

they gonna ban taller and heavier cisgendered women from playing rugby too?!

EDIT: Leah Lyons (too tall and too heavy) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/leah-lyons/
Aoife McDermott (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/aoife-mcdermott/
Dorothy Wall (too tall and too heavy) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/dorothy-wall/
Eimear Considine (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/eimear-considine/
Enya Breen (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/enya-breen/
Eve Higgins (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/enya-breen/
Grace Moore (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/grace-moore/
Hannah O'Connor (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/hannah-oconnor/
Hannah Tyrell (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/hannah-tyrrell/
Katie O'Dwyer (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/katie-odwyer/
Laura Feely (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/laura-feely/
Lauren Delaney (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/lauren-delany/
Nicola Fryday (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/nichola-fryday/
Stacey Flood (too tall) https://www.irishrugby.ie/women/stacey-flood/

14 players from the Ireland rugby squad are too tall according to these guidelines, with a few others exactly 170cm in height. Two of them are too tall and too heavy.

Again, I don’t want to look like I’m defending these proposals because I don’t agree with them, but just to provide some context, part of the problem for the RFU is that they govern all rugby union in England from international level, right down to grassroots. And have to write laws that work for all. I haven’t checked all the players you’ve listed there, but I expect a fair few of them would look totally out of place in the community game. As would the equivalent men’s players btw. Listing top internationals who are bigger than the proposed restrictions doesn’t really say anything, other than support their main concern that being significantly bigger than average makes you better at rugby. Which we kind of all know anyway (“a good big ‘un will always beat a good little ‘un” as the old saying goes in rugby league).

I see and can understand that, but the RFU's stance here would put them pretty close to saying that Japanese teams can't play Dutch ones.  Or banning Jonah because he's too big for the little ones.  No, one rule to rule us all, has to be.

No, I totally agree. Trans people should not be restricted just because of who they are in any circumstances.

But, it is worth pointing out again, that this is still better than what the IRB (International Rugby’s governing body) who have effectively banned trans players (maybe specifically trans women). And also, in their defence (which as primarily a rugby league fan, defending the RFU is like torture) they are almost certainly acting more out of a fear of litigation than anything else. The last thing they want is to ok all trans players, then have a trans woman injure an opponent, who then takes both her and the RFU to court.

And to reiterate one more time, I do not agree with these proposals. Trans men are men, trans women are women. Anything like this adds to the view that they aren’t. Being treated as separate and distinct is not treating them with equality. But I can see why they’ve arrived at this position.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #290 on: April 02, 2021, 05:47:50 PM »
No, I totally agree. Trans people should not be restricted just because of who they are in any circumstances.

But, it is worth pointing out again, that this is still better than what the IRB (International Rugby’s governing body) who have effectively banned trans players (maybe specifically trans women). And also, in their defence (which as primarily a rugby league fan, defending the RFU is like torture) they are almost certainly acting more out of a fear of litigation than anything else. The last thing they want is to ok all trans players, then have a trans woman injure an opponent, who then takes both her and the RFU to court.

And to reiterate one more time, I do not agree with these proposals. Trans men are men, trans women are women. Anything like this adds to the view that they aren’t. Being treated as separate and distinct is not treating them with equality. But I can see why they’ve arrived at this position.

Yeah, yeah, sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I realise your position, which, I think, is the same as my own!

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #291 on: April 02, 2021, 06:53:14 PM »
I'm sorry, but the height and weight restrictions are still bullshit. Most of the players I listed are only an inch (2.54cm) over the height restriction. Does a trans woman have an automatic advantage if she's 171cm tall and 90.1kg? Either have height and weight restrictions for everybody or not at all.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #292 on: April 02, 2021, 06:58:01 PM »
Yes, of course they are, I think we're all in agreement on that.  As I understand it, S'sCat is just saying they understand the RFU's reasons for taking the position, not that they agree with them (pretty sure that's it).

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #293 on: April 02, 2021, 10:22:16 PM »
Yeah, yeah, sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I realise your position, which, I think, is the same as my own!
Yes, of course they are, I think we're all in agreement on that.  As I understand it, S'sCat is just saying they understand the RFU's reasons for taking the position, not that they agree with them (pretty sure that's it).

Yes, that’s what I was meaning! I knew we were agreeing, I just felt I needed to say again as I thought I wasn’t being clear! :-)
This is obviously a sensitive topic and I’m not always great at expressing my opinions properly - I’d be very upset if a trans person read this and thought that I was advocating restrictions being placed on them.

I'm sorry, but the height and weight restrictions are still bullshit. Most of the players I listed are only an inch (2.54cm) over the height restriction. Does a trans woman have an automatic advantage if she's 171cm tall and 90.1kg? Either have height and weight restrictions for everybody or not at all.

Yes they are. And no they don’t. However, if you are going to have height/weight restrictions then they have to be absolute - there needs to be an arbitrary number, and anything over that is disqualified (if you set a minimum height for a fairground ride, it doesn’t matter if you are only 1cm below that, you can’t go on the ride). And I can see if you are going to do that, then setting it at the 90th percentile would look a reasonable compromise. Also, if someone is over the height/weight limits, they can still play. They just need to be assessed to determine if they are at a “material advantage“ before they can (whatever that would be, and however that would be assessed?).

However, however, your first sentence I agree with entirely - doesn’t really matter what the limits are, having them in the first place is wrong. As said before by Gobbers above, it is dehumanising, and it treats trans women as not really women. Which for me is a red line not to be crossed. The only eventuality I can see restrictions being reasonable is in the event of a top level professional transitioning. E.G. Billy Vunipola (or whoever) stating tomorrow that they are trans and identify as a woman, but has not yet started any medical interventions, probably shouldn’t be allowed to play in the women’s game the following weekend. But I can’t help but feel that such an occurrence is so unlikely as to not really be a worthwhile discussion and to be filed under ‘cross that bridge when we come to it’.

I know that the women’s team at my club have played both with and against trans players and had no problem with it. At the time the only requirements were that the players in the league were asked if anyone had any objections. No one did, and so they played on as normal. As it should be.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #294 on: April 03, 2021, 11:11:10 PM »
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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #295 on: April 04, 2021, 11:48:19 AM »
If you are cis, do not read this:


Hello my fellow tranziz. I am putting the final touches on Operation: Revenge On The Cis. Each of you will receive a PM with personal instructions soon.

It is time for the cis race to face the consequences of its actions. They may outnumber us numerically, but we outflank them in spirit. Remember the story of how Goliath was tweezered to death by Davina, if ye need courage.

Let us rise, barbarous and vengeful. Show no mercy to these swine.

Let us sever their necks with the sharpest feathers.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #296 on: April 04, 2021, 12:01:20 PM »
The only eventuality I can see restrictions being reasonable is in the event of a top level professional transitioning. E.G. Billy Vunipola (or whoever) stating tomorrow that they are trans and identify as a woman, but has not yet started any medical interventions, probably shouldn’t be allowed to play in the women’s game the following weekend.

I used to say something similar as an example to prove that I wasn't a cultist repeating TWAW as a mantra, back when I acted like there could potentially be reasonable GC people.

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #297 on: April 07, 2021, 12:35:07 AM »
I'm currently talking to a woman and she sent this:

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Most born women. Female women, they see bisexual men as unattractive. Not sure why.
So bisexual men label themselves as straight for that reason ( to up their chances of getting a woman)
And some men are just in denial.
X
Cds and tvs are virtually the same thing.
They see it as ' dressing up' as a woman. For them itd a sexual act only.And may think they are akin to someone like me. But they are not.
This is who I am. On the inside. Always. It isn't a matter of dressing up.

And the last sentence has had me crying and it all made me sad.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2021, 12:46:10 AM by bgmnts »

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Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #298 on: April 12, 2021, 01:43:26 AM »
In fact, to be honest I have recently decided to act upon my urges and thoughts over the years that are somewhat bi curious in nature. Not really a fan of labels per se but I suppose wanting to suck a cock or be sexually into transvestites would be considered gay but we'll see.

Sort of excited to finally explore this see if I'm into it or not.

Re: queer/trans comrades thread
« Reply #299 on: April 12, 2021, 02:31:36 PM »
If this is in relation to a trans woman[1] then you are still a disgusting hetero, I'm afraid. Don't think you can shake that shameful label so easily, young man.
 1. who you seem to be talking to

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