No Deal Brexit Imminent [split topic] [start new threads]

[Johnny Yesno]

The no deal they aimed for back then is right on track, I must say they have been good a convincing a lot of people they would get one all this time or even wanted one.

Yes, they did convince a lot of people.

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,56998.msg3261204.html#msg3261204

[Zetetic]

INEOS pulls out of Bridgend.

(Kind of glad not to be throwing public money at stuff like that without substantial ownership TBH, but still.)

[olliebean]

Isn't it inherently ridiculous to make out that trading on similar terms to Australia is an acceptable outcome, as if geography and physical distance to your trading partners isn't a massive factor? 8 out of 10 of their biggest trading partners are in Asia or the Pacific region, so they don't particular care what tariffs they have to deal with from the EU. What is this reality Johnson is trying to make us believe we live in?

Australia doesn't have a trade deal with the EU, so an "Australian-style deal" is literally no deal. I suspect the reason Johnson is suddenly going on about it is so he can come back having got no deal and big himself up for succeeding in getting an "Australian-style" deal. The depressing thing is most people will probably fall for it.

[evilcommiedictator]

An "Australia-style deal" means making your entire economy reliant on selling coal and white collar goods to China, then spending 10 years sucking up to the US and watching China then tarriff the fuck out of your exports, and all you can do is cry to Rupert Murdoch

[Petey Pate]

Wouldn't be surprised if the outcome of tomorrow's meeting is yet another extension.

[Menu]

Fame at last, behind a paywall, but glad they commented on the John Snow bit I added "for a bit of fun" at the end of the paper.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/06/schools-offices-could-have-sewage-monitored-check-covid-outbreaks/

Nice one, mate.

[Mr_Simnock]

Yes, they did convince a lot of people.

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,56998.msg3261204.html#msg3261204

Er right, well er, that's got me hasn't it......eh??

[thugler]

Wouldn't be surprised if the outcome of tomorrow's meeting is yet another extension.

That would be hilarious.

I suspect there'll be some sort of half deal, replicating the terms of an extension. It'll be presented as a glorious historic deal due to top negotiating from legend boz. Part of me wants it to be no deal and for it to absolutely fuck the country just to spite the cunts who have demanded it with no understanding of what it means.

[lipsink]

That would be hilarious.

I suspect there'll be some sort of half deal, replicating the terms of an extension. It'll be presented as a glorious historic deal due to top negotiating from legend boz. Part of me wants it to be no deal and for it to absolutely fuck the country just to spite the cunts who have demanded it with no understanding of what it means.

They'll just end up blaming it on someone else though. It's never their fault. Guaranteed the ones losing their shit in shops when there's food shortages will be the cunts who voted Brexit and shouted "Project Fear" for the last 4 years.

[thugler]

Yeah they'll learn nothing. 'Stop talking brexit down!' while they choke down their gruel.

[jobotic]

They'll just end up blaming it on someone else though. It's never their fault. Guaranteed the ones losing their shit in shops when there's food shortages will be the cunts who voted Brexit and shouted "Project Fear" for the last 4 years.

And are marching round supermarkets maskless right now.



Presumably there will a deal and that's why Johnson's going to Brussels so he can come back the hero and conqueror of Europe. And it will be almost as shit for those of us who aren't very rich as no deal.

[Johnny Yesno]

Er right, well er, that's got me hasn't it......eh??

Just heading off a re-writing of history. I wouldn't have bothered if you hadn't been such an objectionable cunt about it at the time.

[katzenjammer]

Just a reminder

Liam Fox

The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history.

The then international trade secretary made the declaration during a radio interview in 2017.

Boris Johnson

There is no plan for no deal, because we're going to get a great deal.

Said during his time as foreign secretary. Johnson assured Britons there was no need to plan for a no-deal scenario. His statement was quickly slapped down by Theresa May's Downing Street, who insisted that "contingency planning is taking place for a range of scenarios".

Michael Gove

The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.

A month before the EU referendum, Gove, now the chancellor of the duchy of Lancaster, insisted the UK would "hold all the cards" if it voted to leave the EU.

Etc.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/quick-and-easy-what-leavers-said-about-uk-eu-brexit-trade-deal

[Mr_Simnock]

Just heading off a re-writing of history. I wouldn't have bothered if you hadn't been such an objectionable cunt about it at the time.

right, er, good.......................................... if it weren't for you keeping an eye on me here who else would,OK..................................................keep up the good work.

[frajer]

Just a reminder

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/09/quick-and-easy-what-leavers-said-about-uk-eu-brexit-trade-deal

Sickening bunch of moral vacuums playing 1D Chess.

Still, not as if this will have negative repercussions for decades to come, so why not play fast and loose? Bully Bully Bully, oy oy oy!

[lipsink]

"Time is running out" Starmer firmly said at PMQs - a man who spent the last month focussing on asking another man to apologise for a Facebook post.

[Clatty McCutcheon]

The EU wants to be able to 'retaliate' (presumably this is the Tories' inflammatory phrase) if the UK departs from the EU's standards, thereby creating a rival on their doorstep with a competitive advantage who can undercut them. I mean, the UK would probably be entitled to tell them to fuck off if it wasn't for the fact that we walked out on them, and want access to all their markets with minimal restrictions.

Still, nice dog whistle to get the Brexiteers going.

BORRIS, SEND ARe BRITTiSH SPiTFIRES TO FLY OVeR BRUSELS ToNitE.

[Famous Mortimer]

I'm glad so many people want to remain in the EU, an organisation which does so much to stop human rights abuses by Turkey and Poland (read: nothing) and seems entirely indiffererent to the rapid spread of fascism among its member states.

[Johnny Yesno]

I'm glad so many people want to remain in the EU, an organisation which does so much to stop human rights abuses by Turkey and Poland (read: nothing) and seems entirely indiffererent to the rapid spread of fascism among its member states.

We're leaving because because indifference isn't a malevolent enough position for us.

[Cuellar]

Once we leave, Britain can FINALLY be one of those countries about whose human rights abuses the EU does nothing

[BlodwynPig]

Once we leave, Britain can FINALLY be one of those countries about whose human rights abuses the EU does nothing

:)))

[shh]

Like Hungary you mean.

[Cuellar]

Hungary is a sovereign nation and can decide its own policies.

[BlodwynPig]

Like Hungary you mean.

England

[Clatty McCutcheon]

I'm glad so many people want to remain in the EU, an organisation which does so much to stop human rights abuses by Turkey and Poland (read: nothing) and seems entirely indiffererent to the rapid spread of fascism among its member states.

So the answer is what, exactly? Leave the EU and continue to do nothing about it, while the EU also continues to do nothing about it.  I'm not really seeing how that addresses the issue.

What I can see is life outside the EU involving lower food standards, disaster capitalism, a bonfire of employment rights, removal of various rules that inhibit and mitigate our wonderful government's ability to allow their chums both here and in the US to 'invest' in the NHS, and also to snap up contracts without any supranational forum for their decisions to be challenged, an attack on the devolved governments ostensibly to maintain an internal common market, and so on...and on...

The phrase the 'lesser of two evils' springs to mind.

[JamesTC]

In my work everybody refused to clean the toilets so I shat my pants.

[Zetetic]

I wonder if there's any other ways to link the EU's weakness in the face of repeated Article 2 violations with the flounce of a major member state.

[Zetetic]

So the answer is what, exactly? Leave the EU and continue to do nothing about it, while the EU also continues to do nothing about it.  I'm not really seeing how that addresses the issue.

Weirdly, if you squint hard enough, the argument makes sense if you think that the UK's position in opposing ever closer union etc. is the overriding reason for the EU's weakness in the face of repeated treaty violations. In that case, Brexit will finally allow the EU to transform into the powerful technocratic superstate that the UK so feared.

(This will not happen.)

[jobotic]

So the answer is what, exactly? Leave the EU and continue to do nothing about it, while the EU also continues to do nothing about it.  I'm not really seeing how that addresses the issue.

What I can see is life outside the EU involving lower food standards, disaster capitalism, a bonfire of employment rights, removal of various rules that inhibit and mitigate our wonderful government's ability to allow their chums both here and in the US to 'invest' in the NHS, and also to snap up contracts without any supranational forum for their decisions to be challenged, an attack on the devolved governments ostensibly to maintain an internal common market, and so on...and on...

The phrase the 'lesser of two evils' springs to mind.

Be nice tohear a Lexiter respond to this, but I expect we'll just get the same trite "point" that we've heard for the last four years.

[olliebean]

And are marching round supermarkets maskless right now.



Presumably there will a deal and that's why Johnson's going to Brussels so he can come back the hero and conqueror of Europe. And it will be almost as shit for those of us who aren't very rich as no deal.

I suspect he's off to Brussels just so he can pretend he's negotiated something at the last minute, and come back as the conquering hero. As I said, he'll have nothing, but will sell it to the public as an Australian terms deal.