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Citizen journalist jailed for four years

Started by Fambo Number Mive, December 28, 2020, 10:24:44 AM

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Quote from: Sin Agog on January 01, 2021, 04:03:46 AM
People knock the Maga2020! feller for his fake news mantra, but why the funk can't I get a straight answer on what exactly's going on with the Uighurs, whether the Falun Gong people really did have their organs forcibly harvested or if they're some insidious cult- or both- and if/how much budding culture is being suppressed there right now, as well as a couple dozen other questions.  And I've got Mandarin relatives on both sides of my family.  I do know for a fact from accounts by relatives still in thrall to the CCP enough to regularly visit Mao's mausoleum once every year that, at least in some parts of China, money talks when it comes to getting anything done, in a way not at all fathomable to most of us, but fuck, you'd think it would be possible to clear the fog of war just a little, tiny bit.  It's always been blindingly apparent when some nation is being touted as the next people we're s'posed to hate, but I wish I could just hate them on my own terms in an educated manner.

(You probably already know the following, which is obviously not an authoritative source and of course I agree with you that the lack of serious reporting is both absurd and dismaying, but for posterity and anyone else passing by:)

It's not too difficult to get information on Falun Gong, which is overtly a right-wing religious movement headquartered in the United States now that I think most reasonable observers would classify as a cult or cult-like (similar to Scientology). Their extreme right-wing political beliefs are all over the place, for example their ridiculous propaganda outlet The Epoch Times.

In my opinion "forcible organ harvesting" does not pass the smell test absent overwhelming evidence from those making such allegations, which I do not think exists. Of course it is the type of sensationalist claim that is as impossible to affirmatively disprove as David Icke's claims about royal lizard people.

I don't feel like I have a good handle on what Uighur situation because non-biased reporting (in either direction) is so hard to come by. My informed speculation is that, much like the United States and its "War on Terror", the Chinese government has taken a heavy-handed approach in cracking down on Islamic extremism and separatism, though short of the dystopian slave camps that get sensationalized in Western reporting. There is also always massive context missing in Western reporting, such as the recent history of repeated violent terrorist attacks by Uighur separatists that have killed hundreds of Chinese civilians elsewhere in the country within the past decade. I think the common binary understanding among your average American who has heard about this issue is that the CCP is just an evil organization that hates religious minorities and so is setting up concentration camps like the Nazis. As always, I will preface this by noting that it is not an endorsement of the Chinese response, but after 9/11 the United States invaded an entire country which it is still occupying twenty years later amid ongoing human rights atrocities against Afghani civilians, and launched a global War on Terror that has quite literally killed millions of people. It is a bit rich for the United States government or its loyal media outlets to chastize the Chinese government for responding in a comparatively minuscule scale to a large separatist movement inside its own borders that has been infiltrated by Islamic extremism and that I would bet is actively supported by the U.S. government in some way with the goal of destabilizing the Chinese government.

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Chedney Honks

That you don't understand is not my concern, as I explained.



There was no initial argument.

- We agree on the nature of the arrest.

- We agree that the arrest is unacceptable.

- You didn't know that the case was misappropriated by anti-lockdown groups.

- I explained that and you said that my point was confusing to you and some others.

- I explained that I've no interest in educating or addressing the lowest common denominator.

- You didn't understand that statement.

- QED


The only argument is whether or not there was an argument. On that basis, I concede that there was an argument about whether there was an argument.

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There was an argument you dick. And not just with me. You argued with four different people because you're too thick to communicate your point properly. After three and a half pages you finally managed to articulate a coherent argument. Great. And this is on your self-proclaimed specialist subject. Fuck knows what drivel you must vomit out on other things.

Lowest common denominator? - you're the thickest cunt on here by a mile. Thank fuck that poor woman can't speak English. If she exists at all. Time to get another new account, Chedney.

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I didn't articulate an argument, I explained the narrative for you in terms you could understand, so you could see that there was in fact no argument. Conceding that there had been an argument about whether there had been an argument was gentle humour that went over your head.

If somebody misunderstands or doesn't have the knowledge base to understand, that doesn't mean that there's an argument, even for an argumentative sort.

My specialist subject is tea, if you're ever interested in some recommendations. I would suggest a tisane to help with your sleep and bad temper.

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See you with the next account!

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Quote from: Chedney Honks on January 01, 2021, 06:59:42 AM
I didn't articulate an argument, I explained the narrative for you in terms you could understand, so you could see that there was in fact no argument. Conceding that there had been an argument about whether there had been an argument was gentle humour that went over your head.

If somebody misunderstands or doesn't have the knowledge base to understand, that doesn't mean that there's an argument, even for an argumentative sort.

My specialist subject is tea, if you're ever interested in some recommendations. I would suggest a tisane to help with your sleep and bad temper.

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See you with the next account!

LOL. Don't gaslight me. It takes two minutes for anyone to read this thread and see what happened. You did it to Paul, then to Retinend, then to bgmts (three of the best people on this site btw), and then me. You're really bad at this and you're unpleasant. Please stop now.

Chedney Honks

I've already spoken to Retinend over PM and had a good chat but if either Paul or bgmts feels I've argued with them, I'd encourage them to PM me, as well. They are all excellent posters, top tier. If anyone else is able to point out the nature of the argument, please do let me know.

I'm very happy to leave it there. Cheers.

Sin Agog

Got recommended a doc by my cousin out in Beijing from 2009 called Petition by Zhao Liang, all about the Kafkaesque attempts of various bottom-rung individuals to rectify some local corruption via bureaucratic methods.  While it is condemnatory of the government, it focuses solely on the most downtrodden individuals so far below the poverty line that they get crinks in their necks looking up at it, so it might be worth a watch for anyone rooting for China from a socialist viewpoint (not that I think that's entirely wrong, and I do think it's deathly important to have at least some system in place on the Earth that's an alternative to hegemonic Western capitalism, with all its own white blood cells desperately waging war on anything that threatens it from the outside).  It's extremely humanistic, and actually demonstrates that, perhaps unlike us, the main source of corruption in China comes at a local level, rather than necessarily from the central government.  It culminates in all the shanty towns shoved out of sight just prior to the 2008 Olympics, which is awfully similar to the homelessness crisis right next-door to our own Olympic stadium.  From what I hear from my cousin, the ancient (I mean really fucking ancient- like 4000 years) petition system has only gotten worse since the doc came out.  Anyway, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TeQQJRytag

Joe Oakes

Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on December 30, 2020, 05:26:24 PMWho am I kidding. What's the over-under on people posting in this thread who actually bothered looking at the link I posted on the last page. Zero?

Yep, 0/1 here.

But I did check your post history, and my memory was correct, you are the same person who always inexplicably defends China on every issue. As the great scholar, Busta Rhymes, once pondered - what's the dilly, yo?

Quote from: Joe Oakes on January 02, 2021, 04:17:56 AM
As the great scholar, Busta Rhymes, once pondered - what's the dilly, yo?

Just conscious of living in a society where the sociopathic governments and aggressive militarists of the U.S.-dominated countries (the governments that ostensibly represent me and that I therefore have a coherent stake in criticizing- unlike the government of China) have instituted a Second Cold War with the overt anti-democratic goal of destabilizing the very popular Chinese government in order to cause the deaths or immiseration of hundreds of millions of people for the extremely laudable goal of maintaining corporate profits for Westerners and the Neoliberal Way. That's more or less the dilly.

If you disagree with anything I post then please correct my factual errors, but criticizing me for not jumping on the jingoistic anti-China bandwagon is not of much concern to me.

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Joe Oakes

Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on January 02, 2021, 04:38:25 AM
If you disagree with anything I post then please correct my factual errors, but criticizing me for not jumping on the jingoistic anti-China bandwagon is not of much concern to me.

I'm not criticising you for "not jumping on the jingoistic anti-China bandwagon". That would be insane. I'm criticising you for using the bizarre excuse of living under shitty governments for defending the CCP every single time they are mentioned in a negative context.

Quote from: Joe Oakes on January 02, 2021, 04:59:41 AM
I'm not criticising you for "not jumping on the jingoistic anti-China bandwagon". That would be insane. I'm criticising you for using the bizarre excuse of living under shitty governments for defending the CCP every single time they are mentioned in a negative context.

If you disagree with anything I post then please correct my factual errors

Chedney Honks

Saddest thing is that this is basically a death sentence now. Zip tied and force-fed soup through a pipe. She may not make it to Chinese New Year, although I don't know if they even celebrate that in prison. It's hard enough to be a Christian out there but I met plenty who were unusually brave, stubborn and dutiful. They're generally considered to be mentally ill by the wider population.

I once had the most incredible sweet taro pie when I accidentally went to an underground church meeting. A slightly intense, starey girl we employed invited me for a coffee with her friends. I assumed they wanted a discount or something like that. It's very common. It was only after I'd had this extraordinary sweet taro pie and a cup of freshly ground coffee that talk turned to our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ the Redeemer. I'm not a Christian and didn't fancy being zip tied, bagged and beaten senseless in a dungeon so I just had another couple of slices of the pie and another coffee and went to the loo, came back and made my excuses and left.

I was undoubtedly being watched when I left. One guy was staring at me and then he shouted 'HALLO!' and I thought, yeah, they're definitely onto me. Must have been secret police so I just smiled politely, and walked to the next bus stop, stood at the bus stop, waited for a bus to another part of the city from where I lived, got on the bus, bought a ticket, found a seat and I don't think I was followed by them. When I reached the destination I got a taxi back from there to halfway home and pretended to go in a building in case the driver spoke to the coppers, then I got another taxi home from there, maybe a few minutes wait for the second one and I checked my apartment for bugs for a few hours when I got back home. I didn't find anything but I moved not long after and our employee got another job. Thank God.

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Quote from: Chedney Honks on January 02, 2021, 07:37:46 AM
They're generally considered to be mentally ill by the wider population.


Nice to have something in common then.

Chedney Honks

Ha ha!

You're all right, man. Onwards and upwards for the new year!

Retinend

Quote from: Pearly-Dewdrops Drops on January 02, 2021, 05:05:14 AM
If you disagree with anything I post then please correct my factual errors

I think it's the opinions, rather than the facts, that cry out for explanation.

Quote from: Retinend on January 02, 2021, 11:39:09 AM
I think it's the opinions, rather than the facts, that cry out for explanation.

I've explained those as well, though opinion is not really the point as much as factually pushing back against a fact-free propaganda war being used to manipulate popular sentiment against China and bring us all to the brink of extinction like during the first Cold War. You are predisposed to disagree with me and think my opinions are lacking because you have the absurd mistaken belief that contemporary China is a "2nd world country still being run by the political descendants of the mass-murderer Mao."

There's an astounding level of ignorance (and arrogance) in the US/UK about a rising global superpower home to one out of six people alive on the planet, which most people seem entirely disinterested in learning anything about.

What does "opinion" have to do with the topic of this thread? I've posted a link to videos of the person who was arrested in this case and you can see for yourself that whether she deserves to be jailed or not she was doing more than reporting as a journalist, that her grievances against the government were not based on the Western narrative about an incompetent cover-up, and that the BBC reporting on this story is openly misleading/fraudulent. Nobody else in the thread has even bothered to engage with that point - the ostensible topic of the thread. It's like living in 1984.