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Phil Spector dead

Started by George White, January 17, 2021, 04:05:43 PM

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George White



https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/17/phil-spector-dead-dies-81/ Note music producer  rather than "murderer Phil Spector".

Looking at the coverage of Spector, I am curious as to how people will report the death of  the man now universally known as "Paedophile Rolf Harris". Because we seem to be forced to erode his work away from culture entirely.

Is it the fact Harris is BBC-associated and say Michael Jackson wasn't? Or that Jackson and Spector were massively influential, while Harris although he did have some influence on Aussie folk, he was essentially a one-off?
Yes, "it'll upset his victims".
Yes, but imagine how Lana Clarkson's family feel when they go Christmas shopping. 

scarecrow

#1
Harder to fully cancel Phil Spectre because there'd be so much collateral damage. If radio can't play any of his productions, that's de facto cancellation of Ronnie Spector, Starsailor and Ike Turner.

GoblinAhFuckScary

fucking lol at this phrasing


George White

Quote from: scarecrow on January 17, 2021, 04:13:28 PM
Harder to fully cancel Phil Spectre because there'd be so much collateral damage. If radio can't play any of his productions, that's de facto cancellation of Ronnie Spector, Starsailor and Ike Turner.
Err, isn't Ike Turner partly cancelled anyway...

Brundle-Fly

I was thinking they should make a Phil Spector biopic with Al Pacino in the lead role. Lo and behold, I scroll down the TMZ page and it actually exists. That clip shows a phenomenal performance.

Anyway, Spector brilliant, but mad as a box of frogs. And a murderer. Did he learn nothing from Joe Meek?

shagatha crustie

Quote from: scarecrow on January 17, 2021, 04:13:28 PM
Harder to fully cancel Phil Spectre because there'd be so much collateral damage. If radio can't play any of his productions, that's de facto cancellation of Ronnie Spector, Starsailor and Ike Turner.

And early Lennon and Harrison.

spaghetamine

damn, I was so sure he had died years ago

George White

Quote from: Brundle-Fly on January 17, 2021, 04:46:51 PM
I was thinking they should make a Phil Spector biopic with Al Pacino in the lead role. Lo and behold, I scroll down the TMZ page and it actually exists. That clip shows a phenomenal performance.
And  Martin Jarvis in it.

Custard

It's a weird one, as on one hand he made some of the greatest music ever heard

And on the other he was a bullying, murderous cunt

It's impossible to be upset about it, yet he is one of the all-time greats and achieved so much

Goodbye and thanks for the music, I guess

Oh, and this book is great
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/074757247X/

NoSleep

Quote from: scarecrow on January 17, 2021, 04:13:28 PM
Harder to fully cancel Phil Spectre because there'd be so much collateral damage. If radio can't play any of his productions, that's de facto cancellation of Ronnie Spector, Starsailor and Ike Turner.

He famously didn't work with Ike Turner.

Custard

Yes, Ike sat in the back and sulked. According to that Tina Turner film, so it must be true

Quote from: Shameless Custard on January 17, 2021, 05:12:15 PM
It's a weird one, as on one hand he made some of the greatest music ever heard

And on the other he was a bullying, murderous cunt

It's impossible to be upset about it, yet he is one of the all-time greats and achieved so much

Goodbye and thanks for the music, I guess

Oh, and this book is great
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/074757247X/

Clips from Brown's interview with Spector

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10719192

Custard



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NoSleep

If you've never seen it before I recommend this Arena documentary made between his first trial, after which he appealed, and the second when he got sent down. It's a fascinating piece of work centred around a lengthy interview with the man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySERXqYSfv8

Custard

Will watch that, thanks

He was clearly always mentally ill, as he was pulling guns on people decades ago. Yet musically an absolute master. What a downfall

Ballad of Ballard Berkley

Quote from: Shameless Custard on January 17, 2021, 05:17:02 PM
Yes, Ike sat in the back and sulked. According to that Tina Turner film, so it must be true

It is true. Spector employed, y'know, about 57 rhythm guitarists on his recordings, but he didn't allow Ike to play a note. A power-play from one utter cunt to another, I suppose.

Ballad of Ballard Berkley

Quote from: NoSleep on January 17, 2021, 07:14:35 PM
If you've never seen it before I recommend this Arena documentary made between his first trial, after which he appealed, and the second when he got sent down. It's a fascinating piece of work centred around a lengthy interview with the man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySERXqYSfv8

Absolutely, that's a compelling documentary.

And sorry for being a bit snippy with you recently. I'm a grumpy get sometimes.

willbo

I bought the dvd of Barbarian Queen, starring Lana Clarkson the woman he shot, just a year or so before it happened, cause it was in CEX or somewhere. It's a cool film. I remember when he was in court he was saying it was an accident and I wanted to believe it.

AsparagusTrevor

Quote from: George White on January 17, 2021, 04:05:43 PM

https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/17/phil-spector-dead-dies-81/ Note music producer  rather than "murderer Phil Spector"
To be fair, he only murdered one person, whereas he produced lots of music.

darby o chill

Quote from: Shameless Custard on January 17, 2021, 05:12:15 PM
Oh, and this book is great
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/074757247X/

Read this about 20 years ago and my only lasting memory of it was him sulking around his gloomy Los Angeles castle with the curtains drawn. And guns. I'm sure there's lots of good music anecdotes but that's all I remember.

timebug

Technical genius in the studio, total arsehole in real life.

Petey Pate

#23
Quote from: NoSleep on January 17, 2021, 07:14:35 PM
If you've never seen it before I recommend this Arena documentary made between his first trial, after which he appealed, and the second when he got sent down. It's a fascinating piece of work centred around a lengthy interview with the man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySERXqYSfv8

Never seen this before.  Spector was really keen on comparing himself to DaVinci wasn't he?

Unfortunately there are chunks of that YouTube upload muted whenever Beatles songs are playing.

Custard

"Talented but flawed"

Nice one Beeb

BBC News - BBC apologises for Phil Spector death headline
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55702855

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: Shameless Custard on January 17, 2021, 07:16:21 PM
He was clearly always mentally ill, as he was pulling guns on people decades ago. Yet musically an absolute master. What a downfall

It sounds like a lot of the gun stuff happened after he had a severe car accident in 1974 requiring a lot of work on head injuries. I wonder if that exacerbated his violent side. It would seem he was an abusive husband before that, so perhaps not.

NoSleep

Quote from: Petey Pate on January 18, 2021, 06:25:41 PM
Never seen this before.  Spector was really keen on comparing himself to DaVinci wasn't he?

Unfortunately there are chunks of that YouTube upload muted whenever Beatles songs are playing.

I had a look at the bit where Let it Be plays and it seems only the music parts have been excised; once there's talking happening again the sound comes back on with the music  playing in the background, so no meaning is lost.

Talking of Let It Be, a friend of mine who was an engineer at Abbey Road, Pete Bown, worked on those sessions, and he was less than impressed with Spector, describing the "Spector sound" as "take loads of pills and push all the faders up as far as they would go".

Petey Pate

Quote from: NoSleep on January 18, 2021, 08:34:23 PM
I had a look at the bit where Let it Be plays and it seems only the music parts have been excised; once there's talking happening again the sound comes back on with the music  playing in the background, so no meaning is lost.

There are some later segments where you can see Spector speaking but there is no sound. Presumably there was music playing in the background struck by the copyright detectors. Maybe it will turn up on iPlayer soon since he recently passed.

He comes across pretty unhinged in that documentary, not to mention somewhat bitter.

NoSleep

Indeed, it's a study of a man who knows his time has run out. He's like frightened animal. Like Trump in a few days time.

He seems to be someone that could turn everything around him into struggle, based on his own deep insecurity, whether it be his relationships or his production; nothing seems to have been allowed to flow naturally or trustfully.

The Mollusk

Quote from: Petey Pate on January 18, 2021, 06:25:41 PM
Unfortunately there are chunks of that YouTube upload muted whenever Beatles songs are playing.

That is unfortunate. Very unfortunate indeed.