Topic: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead

[king_tubby]

Not my words, the words of Tonty Blair and James O'Brien.

[Buelligan]

Yes, I remember.  Here's a link to the previous thread (for future) readers - https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php/topic,83849.msg4474593.html#new

[Cuellar]

I hate the Labour Party

[Buelligan]

It hates you right back.

[imitationleather]

I'm hoping the Labour party won't survive to the end of another 100 pager.

[Buelligan]

Don't just sit there hoping, do something.

[idunnosomename]

Sirkeer is not bothered what you vile trolls and your silly surrealist memes think, like that old fool jerby cornbeans who thought he could win an election on twitter. When all the racists in the Red Wall vote for him, you'll be laughing on the other side of your "The Simpsons" avatar.

[Endicott]

[idunnosomename]

An image of child abuse. Tells you all you need to know about the "tolerant" hard "left"

I, like the entirety of the city of Liverpool (see below) support sirkir's haircut 100%.

[Buelligan]

The marvelous Ronan Burtenshaw tells it exactly as it is on Double Down News.

[Pink Gregory]

Have you heard that Tribune are fighting a libel case?

[Buelligan]

No, I understand lovely Burtenshaw revealed that talking to Bastani the other night.  Was just going to watch that interview but AFAIK, there are no details in the public domain other than Ronan saying there's no base in the accusation against them. 

[jobotic]

An image of child abuse. Tells you all you need to know about the "tolerant" hard "left"

I, like the entirety of the city of Liverpool (see below) support sirkir's haircut 100%.

Those people never drank a Duff in their lives.

[BlodwynPig]

An image of child abuse. Tells you all you need to know about the "tolerant" hard "left"

I, like the entirety of the city of Liverpool (see below) support sirkir's haircut 100%.

CaB poster Shiftwork2 in the glasses there.

[BlodwynPig]

No, I understand lovely Burtenshaw revealed that talking to Bastani the other night.  Was just going to watch that interview but AFAIK, there are no details in the public domain other than Ronan saying there's no base in the accusation against them.

They are scared aren't they. They see Tribune as a big threat. one of the last... let's see if Novara remain up to the job.

[Blumf]

I'm hoping the Labour party won't survive to the end of another 100 pager.

Don't just sit there hoping, do something.

<exterior Labour Party HQ>

imitationleather (pummelling his fists on the wall): "Neeerrrrggghhh! Just die you bastards!!!"

<Sir Keir, Wes Streeting, and Stephen Kinnock come out to see what all the commotion is about>

Kinnock: "Do you need a hand?"

[lipsink]

James O'Brien will probably start the: "Yes but give Starmer a chance. He has to clean up Corbyn's mess!" narrative soon, if he hasn't already.

Plus all the "Corbynistas" are sabotaging it, don't ya know!

[GoblinAhFuckScary]

[lipsink]

What do you think is on Starmer's running playlist? It's Keane, isn't it?

[imitationleather]

Oh no, Keir's at the bottom of the lake!

Don't help him.

[BlodwynPig]

What do you think is on Starmer's running playlist? It's Keane, isn't it?

"The B-sides"

Bastani is turning sour. All about the optics for him now. Is he trying to stand out from the crowd by failing to address the corruption, patting it away as meaningless, and focusing on "his book" and "his articles", or "don't leave out Malta". Michael outplaying tonight. Punch and Judy.

[katzenjammer]

Sadly I just think the current British electorate, and particularly the English part, is way more right wing than left. Doesn’t matter who the Labour Party leader is, they ain’t getting in

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Sadly I just think the current British electorate, and particularly the English part, is way more right wing than left. Doesn’t matter who the Labour Party leader is, they ain’t getting in

https://newrepublic.com/article/161328/successful-political-party-world-tories-conservatives-britain-boris-johnson?

[thugler]

Sadly I just think the current British electorate, and particularly the English part, is way more right wing than left. Doesn’t matter who the Labour Party leader is, they ain’t getting in

It’s not really though, if you ask people if they support individual Labour policies from the last manifesto they’re all pretty popular. 2017 showed we are not a million miles away when something like brexit is not involved, which clearly was more important than party politics for many.

Edit: if you mean just england though, yeah there are a lot of cunts.

[Zetetic]

if you ask people if they support individual [UK] Labour policies from the last manifesto they’re all pretty popular

There are various conclusions you can draw from this though.

[greenman]

Sadly I just think the current British electorate, and particularly the English part, is way more right wing than left. Doesn’t matter who the Labour Party leader is, they ain’t getting in

The reality you could argue is exactly the opposite of what Labour are offering under Starmer, increased public funding for the NHS, social services, etc and higher taxs for the rich are widely popular to the degree even the right wing press sometimes have to pretend their in favour of them. They've been far more sucessful in breeding bigotry and really I think the only way you will make a significant impact on that is to remove some of the hardship on communties.

[thugler]

There are various conclusions you can draw from this though.

Yeah, I’ve heard it said that they liked the policies but basically thought they were too far fetched or unachievable. This makes sense to me, peoples sense of what is possible is skewed after endless tory rule. They've actually destroyed people's sense of hope and ambition for the future.

[ZoyzaSorris]

Sadly I just think the current British electorate, and particularly the English part, is way more right wing than left. Doesn’t matter who the Labour Party leader is, they ain’t getting in

SO how did Corbyn, by far the most left wing leader of a mainstream party in many decades (though this is more of a reflection of how far right the centre has been pulled in that time), and certainly the most vilified by the media in living memory, get within a couple of percent of the Tories in 2017 then? And one of Labour's highest votes in England ever?

We have almost North Korean levels of pro-Tory propaganda in this country, admittedly, and a good proportion of the population no longer know up from down or black from white, but still, you can't flush 2017 down the memory hole. The biggest obstacle, it has gradually become clear, is the right wing cuckoo contingent in the Labour nest. Without their consistent and overwhelming sabotage, Labour would have won power in 2017. So no, England isn't way more right wing. The right wing just have the entire media and half the main 'left' party on their side, in a system explicitly designed from the ground up to defuse any threat to established power.

[Goldentony]

Page 1 is fair game for ripping the piss so I want to add Keir Starmer's a fucking egg head

[Buelligan]

You're not wrong.

Bastani is turning sour. All about the optics for him now. Is he trying to stand out from the crowd by failing to address the corruption, patting it away as meaningless, and focusing on "his book" and "his articles", or "don't leave out Malta". Michael outplaying tonight. Punch and Judy.

Thought it was quite interesting, when he and Walker were talking about the possibility of a new Left party, both saying no because FPTP and so on, and Bastani said there's more to life than the Labour Party.  Like, there are other things you can do with your time to further leftist goals.  Which is true.  But how does it sit with the statement that there's no point in founding a new genuinely Left party?

In other words, why is using your time furthering socialist/leftist goals outside of Labour a useful thing to do but forming a new party (to further those goals) is not?  What extra advantage or success, what increased influence, is guaranteed by excluding forming a new party?