Author Topic: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead  (Read 87850 times)

chveik

  • OPEN THE PUBS BOYS
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2021, 08:15:07 PM »
it feels like these threads are going in circles a bit

Kelvin

  • The best bits of a pantomime horse
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • With skin the colour of a freshly peeled apple
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2021, 08:17:20 PM »
it feels like these threads are going in circles a bit

We didn't get to 176 Labour threads without going in circles a bit.

pancreas

  • The islets of Langerhans are the very best islets
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2021, 08:19:36 PM »
We didn't get to 176 Labour threads without going in circles a bit.

I feel like these threads are going in circles a bit.

Buelligan

  • STOP being afraid
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2021, 08:23:41 PM »
Enter the edgelords.

idunnosomename

  • PIZZA BEAN
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2021, 08:37:04 PM »
What do you think is on Starmer's running playlist? It's Keane, isn't it?
Stormzy of course! and Three Lions.

I had to check he actually chose Three Lions on Desert Island Discs and I wasnt confusing him with idiot narcissist Baddiel. fucking hell

pancreas

  • The islets of Langerhans are the very best islets
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2021, 08:44:28 PM »
What the absolute cunting fuck

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-budget-corporation-tax-b1806739.html

Labour to oppose any Budget hike in corporation tax in extraordinary political reversal.

I honestly think there is more chance of me voting Tory than Labour at the moment.

idunnosomename

  • PIZZA BEAN
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2021, 08:46:28 PM »
at times like this, I guess all you can do is laugh





...

BlodwynPig

  • The Last Living Member of COVID-20
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2021, 08:51:21 PM »
You're not wrong.

Thought it was quite interesting, when he and Walker were talking about the possibility of a new Left party, both saying no because FPTP and so on, and Bastani said there's more to life than the Labour Party.  Like, there are other things you can do with your time to further leftist goals.  Which is true.  But how does it sit with the statement that there's no point in founding a new genuinely Left party?

In other words, why is using your time furthering socialist/leftist goals outside of Labour a useful thing to do but forming a new party (to further those goals) is not?  What extra advantage or success, what increased influence, is guaranteed by excluding forming a new party?

I missed that bit you reference (didnt watch the last story), went and watched Dark Roast Denny, Dan Bell, Cashew the Frenchie and JoeyBToonz instead

GoblinAhFuckScary

  • DIDN'T LIKE THE BEACH
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2021, 08:51:49 PM »
Labour to oppose any Budget hike in corporation tax in extraordinary political reversal.

starmer psyop?

BlodwynPig

  • The Last Living Member of COVID-20
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2021, 08:53:11 PM »
What the absolute cunting fuck

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-budget-corporation-tax-b1806739.html

Labour to oppose any Budget hike in corporation tax in extraordinary political reversal.

I honestly think there is more chance of me voting Tory than Labour at the moment.

If William Hague makes an appearance on a log flume with a oversized baseball cap saying "MUKGA", I'M IN!

king_tubby

  • Pig Champion
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2021, 08:59:01 PM »
Fucking hell, check out the jabronis in the St Mary's Oxford ward!

https://twitter.com/lukeakehurst/status/1364308438906523648

Kelvin

  • The best bits of a pantomime horse
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • With skin the colour of a freshly peeled apple
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2021, 09:03:00 PM »
What the absolute cunting fuck

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-budget-corporation-tax-b1806739.html

Labour to oppose any Budget hike in corporation tax in extraordinary political reversal.

I honestly think there is more chance of me voting Tory than Labour at the moment.

Why is this surprising? It is the cornerstone of their political strategy moving forward.

Twit 2

  • Fucksake
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2021, 09:26:02 PM »
We must continue to be surprised. We must not resign ourselves to this reality.[1]
 1. I have been resigned to this reality for a while now lol.

Buelligan

  • STOP being afraid
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2021, 09:30:07 PM »
Fucking hell, check out the jabronis in the St Mary's Oxford ward!

https://twitter.com/lukeakehurst/status/1364308438906523648

What the fuck is wrong with these people? 

Here is an approved Labour candidate, who won't bring the Party into disrepute.



https://twitter.com/socialistvoice/status/1152626938256744448?lang=en


monkfromhavana

  • Member
  • **
  • Top one, nice one, get sorted
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2021, 09:33:15 PM »
You're not wrong.

Thought it was quite interesting, when he and Walker were talking about the possibility of a new Left party, both saying no because FPTP and so on, and Bastani said there's more to life than the Labour Party.  Like, there are other things you can do with your time to further leftist goals.  Which is true.  But how does it sit with the statement that there's no point in founding a new genuinely Left party?

In other words, why is using your time furthering socialist/leftist goals outside of Labour a useful thing to do but forming a new party (to further those goals) is not?  What extra advantage or success, what increased influence, is guaranteed by excluding forming a new party?

The thing is, you can kind of do both. UKIP only ever had one MP (Carswell) and yet they influenced the Conservative party quite well. All the comments seem a bit "all or nothing". I'd be quite happy for a new proper Left party to be formed, but with the likes of Corbyn, Sultana, McDonnell, Burgon etc still being in the Labour party and then working on the Labour right from 2 flanks rather than one. The new party wouldn't be about gaining power, but about applying pressure.

EDIT* Forgot that the cunting media had Farage on 24/7, whereas a new Left party wouldn't be given the time of day. Still don't see why it couldn't be a done though.

Buelligan

  • STOP being afraid
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2021, 09:37:06 PM »
I quite agree.  I find the idea that it's more valuable to the cause to run a socialist cake stall than start a leftist political party utterly illogical.

BlodwynPig

  • The Last Living Member of COVID-20
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2021, 09:40:46 PM »
A man with more decency and honour than Starmer






Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2021, 09:42:16 PM »
The thing is, you can kind of do both. UKIP only ever had one MP (Carswell) and yet they influenced the Conservative party quite well. All the comments seem a bit "all or nothing". I'd be quite happy for a new proper Left party to be formed, but with the likes of Corbyn, Sultana, McDonnell, Burgon etc still being in the Labour party and then working on the Labour right from 2 flanks rather than one. The new party wouldn't be about gaining power, but about applying pressure.

EDIT* Forgot that the cunting media had Farage on 24/7, whereas a new Left party wouldn't be given the time of day. Still don't see why it couldn't be a done though.

I think the difference is that it was a single issue, which a good deal of the tory party agreed with them on anway, and a good deal of the media was for as well. I don't think a new left party would work the same way, it would get ignored and ridiculed and all it's communication would only get to the people who were already behind it. Also you had european parliament elections in which voting UKIP as a protest became popular.

idunnosomename

  • PIZZA BEAN
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2021, 09:42:27 PM »
its like ian austin had a little homunculus drop out of his anus

Buelligan

  • STOP being afraid
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2021, 09:45:45 PM »
This it frighteningly accurate.  Horrific and yet entirely plausible.

I think the difference is that it was a single issue, which a good deal of the tory party agreed with them on anway, and a good deal of the media was for as well. I don't think a new left party would work the same way, it would get ignored and ridiculed and all it's communication would only get to the people who were already behind it. Also you had european parliament elections in which voting UKIP as a protest became popular.

Lucky we've got Labour then, isn't it?  Talking big sense to an eagerly listening band of delighted supporters.

Kelvin

  • The best bits of a pantomime horse
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • With skin the colour of a freshly peeled apple
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2021, 09:52:13 PM »
I know it's against the nature of the left, what with us being a bunch of (metaphorically) beaten, abused, massively defensive sorts. But we honestly should be turning some public criticism towards the various left-wing groups that could potentially lead us, giving them a clear sign that the wider movement needs and wants leadership, co-ordination and focus, now more than ever.

I know we don't like to get too critical of our allies, especially when our enemies are so much more powerful, but realistically, pragmatically, the best chance for us to form some sort of movement/party outside of Labour is for the left to make our feelings very publicly known to the people we need to lead us, and to hold our left-wing leadership/figureheads accountable. Short term, we need to turn our sights on that leadership and demand action. Because the alternative is that nothing will ever happen, I promise you that. 

Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2021, 09:55:51 PM »
I want someone like the Midnight Oil bloke before he turned proper mental, how can we let the bloke from Midnight Oil know about us

Paul Calf

  • LOTION MAN
  • Golden Member
  • *****
  • These horses don’t live in a bubble
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2021, 09:57:07 PM »
A man with more decency and honour than Starmer


Nah.

monkfromhavana

  • Member
  • **
  • Top one, nice one, get sorted
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2021, 10:03:34 PM »
I think the difference is that it was a single issue, which a good deal of the tory party agreed with them on anway, and a good deal of the media was for as well. I don't think a new left party would work the same way, it would get ignored and ridiculed and all it's communication would only get to the people who were already behind it. Also you had european parliament elections in which voting UKIP as a protest became popular.

Do you not think that a new party might even slightly prick the Labour right's notion that a good proportion of the people who they have pissed off will still vote for them anyway? I think that's what they're banking on. If you start a new party and give these people somewhere to vote, even if they don't come close to getting into power, it might have some effect?



Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2021, 10:41:16 PM »
Thinking about it, is the green party not basically what this new left party would be like?

king_tubby

  • Pig Champion
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2021, 10:53:08 PM »
I want someone like the Midnight Oil bloke before he turned proper mental, how can we let the bloke from Midnight Oil know about us

What about the bloke from Sutcliffe Jugend?

BlodwynPig

  • The Last Living Member of COVID-20
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2021, 10:53:12 PM »

king_tubby

  • Pig Champion
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2021, 10:54:04 PM »
Thinking about it, is the green party not basically what this new left party would be like?

No.

Zetetic

  • I wasn't supposed to be around this long, so…
Re: Labour Party - Any other leader would be 20 points ahead
« Reply #59 on: February 24, 2021, 10:54:07 PM »
It doesn't make sense to try to build an England-wide alternative to Labour, because it will run into the same problems as Labour - plus some new ones, plus competing with Labour and other parties on the same basis that Labour is already trying to compete on.


Tags: