David Baddiel - Jews Don't Count [split topic]

[Mister Six]

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1355597232859475969

The only thing offensive about that is what a waste of time it is. A waste of time for the poor researcher who had to watch hours of footage of crowd shots to find that half-second clip, and a waste of time for the audience who were presented with it without even an accompanying gag (not even "he looks like Fred Flintstone") and who then had to rely on the guest to wring some humour out of some fella with odd clothes.

Woefully shit TV. But not racist. Even in the context of David Baddiel and his pineapple head "gag".

[madhair60]

Definitely racist, and good on Sylvia Kristel for calling it out. Not surprising given Baddiel's form for it, not to mention the racism of football culture.

[DrGreggles]

Couldn't the 'joke' here easily be perceived as "Look at this ridiculous black man"?

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

Couldn't the 'joke' here easily be perceived as "Look at this ridiculous black man"?

Gee I don't know, it's not like they're the only black men and they're surrounded by white people.

[DrGreggles]

I was saying that in response to the earlier posts that couldn't see how it could be seen as racist.

[C_Larence]

The guest calls it out as racist, which suggests it was racist, and the audience reacts with a sound that basically translates to "fucking foreigners coming over here and telling us we're racist", which suggests that they're racist.

[Dusty Substance]

Were Vic and Bob being racist when they blacked up to play Marvin, Otis, Barry White and Mick from Brookside?

[mr. logic]

Thought Skinner's response was interesting too, he obviously had no interest in letting Baddiel defend the bit (though he presumably had a part in it too)

[idunnosomename]

Were Vic and Bob being racist when they blacked up to play Marvin, Otis, Barry White and Mick from Brookside?

they did stop blacking up for otis and marvin. does seem to indicate they realised it was a bit rum in the 90s.

if you blacked up in the past it doesn't make you an irredeemable slimebag. nor do you have to publicly flagellate yourself for forgiveness. just whenever the Jason Lee thing is brought up Baddiel absolutely refuses to acknowledge it was bad at all (and unlike Otis and Marvin, it was teasing a young black man's hairstyle while he was very much alive) and continues to act like a sanctimonious tosser about he and other Jewish newspaper columnists are the most persecuted people in the entire world.

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

I was saying that in response to the earlier posts that couldn't see how it could be seen as racist.

I know, I was agreeing with you.

[Bazooka]

The guest calls it out as racist, which suggests it was racist, and the audience reacts with a sound that basically translates to "fucking foreigners coming over here and telling us we're racist", which suggests that they're racist.

What if the guest was black and didn't see a problem? Which is actually possible in the real world.

[DrGreggles]

What if the guest was black and didn't see a problem? Which is actually possible in the real world.

What if the guest took great offence at it and beat Baddiel to death? Which is also actually possible in the real world, and also didn't happen.

[earl_sleek]

If anything, it's racist to think it's racist.

[Famous Mortimer]

More of his pearls of anti-wisdom today:

https://twitter.com/AntifaPsyOp/status/1355835085182935041

[frajer]

"Now, everyone knows all racism must be opposed. What this book presupposes is - maybe it doesn't?"

[phantom_power]

It's such a logical finger trap isn't it. Caring about non-AS racism is actually quite AS if you think about it. And if you comment on it then you will just be accused of not taking AS seriously enough

[St_Eddie]

It's such a logical finger trap isn't it. Caring about non-AS racism is actually quite AS if you think about it. And if you comment on it then you will just be accused of not taking AS seriously enough

It took me ages to work out that AS = Anti-Semitic, after seeing it get trotted out a few times within this thread.  I wish people would just type out what they're saying instead of using abbreviations and assuming that everyone knows what it's supposed to stand for.  AS isn't even a recognised abbreviation, for goodness' sake.  QBSL (Quit Being So Lazy).

[phantom_power]

It's a long word and easy to misspell. It is the sort of word that abbreviation was made for

[St_Eddie]

It's a long word and easy to misspell.

A long word?  it's hardly "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious".  Also, it would be a lot easier for you to spell the word if you actually practiced typing it instead of typing "AS" all of the time.

It is the sort of word that abbreviation was made for

That abbreviation which you just made up, you mean?  Abbreviations only work if the majority are able to see them and immediately say "ah, yes. I know what that means".

Anyway, GLMINRCYK.

[frajer]

Anyway, GLMINRCYK.

Oh, why's that then?

[phantom_power]

A long word?  it's hardly "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious".  Also, it would be a lot easier for you to spell the word if you actually practiced typing it instead of typing "AS" all of the time.

That abbreviation which you just made up, you mean?  Abbreviations only work if the majority are able to see them and immediately say "ah, yes. I know what that means".

Anyway, GLMINRCYK.

It's OK to admit you aren't up on current abbreviations you know. You don't need to get all defensive about it

[St_Eddie]

It's OK to admit you aren't up on current abbreviations you know. You don't need to get all defensive about it

IDK.  IMHO IAJSVS to UAATT, you know?

[phantom_power]

Well fuck you too pal

[idunnosomename]

So much for the progressive left!

[jobotic]

TLBFC

[St_Eddie]

lol TBH, I just thought that IWABR was TMWC and BSDL, but HDSO BASKLDS LDL?  BTW, if AS is MUNN, then what is the SOL within TMOFW?  G2G now.  THX.

[Zetetic]

About half past three.

[Dusty Substance]

It took me ages to work out that AS = Anti-Semitic, after seeing it get trotted out a few times within this thread.  I wish people would just type out what they're saying instead of using abbreviations and assuming that everyone knows what it's supposed to stand for.  AS isn't even a recognised abbreviation, for goodness' sake.  QBSL (Quit Being So Lazy).

I've seen a lot of Corbyn fanatics on Facebook using "AS" when discussing Labour's antisemitism. I found it pretty gross, tbh. Shorthand text speak for a form of racism which lead to the worst crime in human history. More acceptable on Twitter where you're limited to characters but no need for it on Facebook. Guess it's better than an Star Of David symbol next to a vomit emoji, I guess.

[St_Eddie]

I found it pretty gross, tbh. Shorthand text speak for a form of racism which lead to the worst crime in human history. More acceptable on Twitter where you're limited to characters but no need for it on Facebook. Guess it's better than an Star Of David symbol next to a vomit emoji, I guess.

I absolutely agree.  The same thought had crossed my mind.  It does seem disrespectful, even if unintentionally so.

[Endicott]

Do any of you even own a sense of perspective?