Thread for people who use make-up/cosmetics

[NoOffenceLynn]

off t' boots. is no7's eyeliner any good?

Honestly haven't tried their eyeliner, but hope it works out for you!

EDIT: just remembered last month that l found one of those spend a certain amount on No7 and get 15 quid worth of product free receipts, you often find them bundled up in your cash receipts from Boots so you might be lucky.

l was so happy it was like l won the lotto. Yeah that's what Covid has reduced me to.

[Buelligan]

I'm just going to apply a little bit of concealer, one shade lighter than the thread's natural tone, to get rid of that unsightly edit glitch we have here.

[Blue Jam]

Best eyeliner pencils I've tried are Chanel. Got a black one and a brown one. They're not cheap but they don't need reapplying much and therefore don't need replacing often. Think I've bought a grand total of about four in my life.

I never wear mascara because I can't be arsed. I just don't think it really makes much difference to my appearance and it's a faff to put on.

Foundation/tinted moisturiser is the one I struggle with the most because I'm pale as fuck and my skin has cool undertones- ie, I'm practically blue-white and most stuff is too orange for me even if it's the palest colour in the range.

The best foundation I ever tried was by Prescriptives, who made a foundation range with a choice of pink, blue, orange or yellow undertones so you could find the perfect foundation whether you had a cool or warm complexion. They also had a bespoke service where they'd take a scan of your face and make you a foundation which matched your skin tone 100%, but I nevertried that because one of their off-the-peg options was already a good match for me. Naturally parent company Estee Lauder discontinued the brand about a decade ago. Fuckers.

Every time I find a base I like it seems to get discontinued shortly afterwards so now I just get whatever posh and highly discounted brands I can find in TK Maxx. Because they sell all the discontinued stuff and the products that aren't selling so well that means they always have foundations at the extreme end of the skin tone spectrum. If you're very pale or very dark you can get some proper bargains there. I'm currently using a Laura Mercier tinted moisturiser that usually costs £28, I got two tubes for a tenner each. Before that I had a Nars one that was a similarly bargainous price. If I can't find anything suitable at TK Maxx I go to Kiko, they're cheap but the quality is surprisingly good.

Base make-up is about all I buy now because I have too much other make-up and have been trying to use it up before buying any more, and it's taking forever. I don't understand how some people get through thousands of pounds' worth of make-up per year, for me colour cosmetics just seem to last forever.

[Blue Jam]

flotemysost, you probably already know this but olive skin has blue undertones so it is actually a cool skin tone no matter how dark it is. If you can find a brand that has warm/cool options they may have something suitable. I've found Kiko pretty good for that.

Also if you like CC cream Kiko do a really good one which I think is called CC Blur. It's a mattifying make-up primer which just dissolves into nothing when you put it on your skin but somehow smoothes out your complexion. It also has a really nice, completely non-powdery texture. I'll sometimes just wear that on its own as a bit of a "make-up that looks like no make-up" thing.

As I said before, Kiko are cheap, but I forgot to mention the fact that they always seem to have promotions on. One week they'll be offering 30% off all colour cosmetics, the next it'll be 30% off all foundation, then it will be 30% off all the nail polish. If you're after a specific thing you can just wait until they have that thing in their current promotion and save a bit. They also do a lot of limited editions of their regular products, which means they end up having lots of things reduced to clear simply because the packaging is past season. They currently have their Christmas range and Wonder Woman range reduced even though the stuff in the fancy bottles is exactly the same as the stuff in the regular full-price bottles. I try not to buy too much make-up now but that place is terrible for impulse buys, it's a good thing it's all so cheap.

[tookish]

I like ELF - they're an animal-friendly brand with plenty of skin tones. I'm whiter than white with yellow undertones so I use Pearl and find it very good. The translucent powder is excellent too. I use No. 7 eyeliners and my eyeshadow is just your basic Superdrug shit, picked for vibrancy and veganism.

[Icehaven]

Blimey, I've never even heard of undertones*, how the hell do you know which ones you have?




*Yes yes the band.

[Blue Jam]

Blimey, I've never even heard of undertones*, how the hell do you know which ones you have?




*Yes yes the band.

Heheheh... Basically, if you look good wearing black near your face but like death warmed up in brown your skin tone is probably a cool one. If the opposite applies and you suit earth tones like brown, beige and khaki but black drains all the colour from your face you probably have a warm skin tone.

Also if you wear jewellery, do you tend to gravitate towards silver or gold? Silver tends to flatter cooler skin tones while gold works with warmer ones.

[flotemysost]

flotemysost, you probably already know this but olive skin has blue undertones so it is actually a cool skin tone no matter how dark it is. If you can find a brand that has warm/cool options they may have something suitable. I've found Kiko pretty good for that.

Cheers for that, Blue Jam - I didn't actually know that! Had a mosey round the Kiko shop in Covent Garden a few years ago and I remember being impressed by the range of shades. That CC cream definitely sounds like something I'd use.

The key thing I've found with any mascara is on the one hand to use a really light touch, and on the other, get the smallest size you can if you don't wear it much - it will start to get tacky and gum up, and that leads to problems with clumping.

Also, don't pump the wand in and out of the bottle as that'll push more air into it and make it go off quicker.

Also brows, not keen on the ridiculously massive slug brows that have been going on for so long now, a trend that really needs to die.

I don't mind a big fake brow if it's done well - I definitely prefer it to the early-00s over-plucked look, which I stupidly inflicted on myself as a teenager and haven't fully recovered from (I've tried putting castor oil on them, but it's meant to take weeks for it to work and I keep forgetting after a few days). A lot of men on dating apps are quite vocal about fake brows on women, I've noticed.

Has anyone tried Zao? They make cruelty-free, vegan products in refillable, reduced plastic containers. I do worry about the amount of plastic I get through with cosmetics, especially stuff like lip balms which I use up quite quickly (since covid I've been using ones in little propelling tubes rather than tins, as it means I don't have to touch my mouth directly if I want to put some on while I'm out, but not great for landfill fodder). Some of these products look good though and the wooden packaging is cool.

[Blue Jam]

Aren't all beauty products now "cruelty-free"? The use of animal testing for cosmetics was banned in the UK in 1998 and it's also illegal in the EU. That's why Boots, Superdrug etc get annoyed at Lush with their implication that everywhere else still tests on animals.

I think what you have to watch out for here is brands that also target the Chinese market, because Chinese law demands that products are tested on animals before they can be sold. Unfortunately the Chinese market is massive and highly lucrative which means a lot of brands may not test the products you can buy here, but may test the ones they produce for export. It looks like China may actually be scrapping that requirement though, which should make shopping for ethical products a lot easier.

I see some people have recommended Elf (Eyes. Lips. Face. Geddit?). They are indeed an ethical brand with some decent stuff- and that stuff can often be found in TK Maxx! Got a really good eyeliner from them, a subtly sparkly brown which has been a great replacement for the Prescriptives (*sob*) ones I used to love.

[Marner and Me]

Cheers for that, Blue Jam - I didn't actually know that! Had a mosey round the Kiko shop in Covent Garden a few years ago and I remember being impressed by the range of shades. That CC cream definitely sounds like something I'd use.

Also, don't pump the wand in and out of the bottle as that'll push more air into it and make it go off quicker.

I don't mind a big fake brow if it's done well - I definitely prefer it to the early-00s over-plucked look, which I stupidly inflicted on myself as a teenager and haven't fully recovered from (I've tried putting castor oil on them, but it's meant to take weeks for it to work and I keep forgetting after a few days). A lot of men on dating apps are quite vocal about fake brows on women, I've noticed.

Has anyone tried Zao? They make cruelty-free, vegan products in refillable, reduced plastic containers. I do worry about the amount of plastic I get through with cosmetics, especially stuff like lip balms which I use up quite quickly (since covid I've been using ones in little propelling tubes rather than tins, as it means I don't have to touch my mouth directly if I want to put some on while I'm out, but not great for landfill fodder). Some of these products look good though and the wooden packaging is cool.

Fake brows look terrible. Tbh I'm not a fan of the duck lips fake tan, fake hair, fake nails. What part of the woman is real?

[IsavedLatin]

I had initially thought that lockdown would tank my interest in make-up entirely, but I've found that it still gives me a lift to preen a bit in the mornings; possibly the fact that I spend a great deal of time in video meetings for work has shored this up. Still, it's mostly just tinted moisturiser or foundation, a bit of concealer at times, and blush. I fucking hate removing mascara and also find almost all brands flaky as shit, so it seems expendable these days.

I've always been into nice cosmetics but never able to countenance the prices for department store brands, so I was early to jump on the Beauty Pie bandwagon -- and while I use it primarily for their skincare range (which is far better, at the price I pay as a member, than anything comparably priced on the high street), I've dabbled in some of the make-up too.

They do quite a good tinted moisturiser with SPF 20 -- slightly tacky feeling on application but lasts all day and, though I declared bullshit when I read the claim on the packaging, it does genuinely seem to have a flattering blurring effect on my appearance (still don't know how to begin to think how it works). I like their foundation, though I have to say I'm still mourning the Bourjois Healthy Mix, which was absolute perfection for me. You can order a little palette of sample foundation colours from Beauty Pie to get the right shade for you, which I find less stressful than my previous experience of trying to work out the right colour in Superdrug. Their cream blush is extremely nice, as is the highlighter stuff (possibly Strobing Drops?), of which a tiny amount goes a long way.

For other real-person beauty recommendations, I'm a big fan of this Instagrammer whose whole raison d'etre is that she isn't an influencer, doesn't take free products, doesn't do ads, uses almost entirely high-street make-up brands and doesn't set herself up with elaborate lighting.

[Blue Jam]

Might have to check out Beauty Pie, cheers!

If we're also covering skincare products here I've recently become a fan of Lacura's moisturisers. Good old Aldi.

[tookish]

Fake brows look terrible. Tbh I'm not a fan of the duck lips fake tan, fake hair, fake nails. What part of the woman is real?

You are Ben Jonson, and I claim my five pounds

[NoOffenceLynn]

I don't mind a big fake brow if it's done well - I definitely prefer it to the early-00s over-plucked look, which I stupidly inflicted on myself as a teenager and haven't fully recovered from (I've tried putting castor oil on them, but it's meant to take weeks for it to work and I keep forgetting after a few days). A lot of men on dating apps are quite vocal about fake brows on women, I've noticed.

I too was victim to over enthusiastic eyebrow plucking as a teen. I found Lilash serum amazing for growing them back, it's pricy but is the real deal,  if you're getting it make sure you buy from the official site as there are a lot of fakes on Ebay etc.

Yeah Blue Jam , Lacura gets great reviews IIRC there was a blind test between that and Creme Da La Mer, with Lacura coming out as the superior product.

IsavedLatin Bourjois was my favourite foundation too, gutted that it's gone. Haven't found anything to match.

Also if anyone here is worried about shelling out for a new foundation but not being able to test the colour because of Covid restrictions, Boots will let you bring it back and swap for another colour, even if its already been opened.

[Better Midlands]

A friend of my daughter collects make up sets which she doesn't open  - is that a thing with Generation Z?

[Paul Calf]

You are Ben Jonson, and I claim my five pounds

I don't think he has a Volpone in him.

[Blue Jam]

Is their anything out there that is good for scaring? I have a good 2 inch one on my cheek which I wouldn't mind trying to get rid of

It would depend on what caused the scarring, if it was raised or flat, or if it was a different colour from the surrounding skin or not. There are different solutions for different types of scar.

Have you tried visiting a spa/skin clinic type of place? Some of them sell specialist professional makeup for covering scars, for use after surgery etc, stuff you won't find in Boots or Superdrug. They may also be able to advise you on treatments to reduce or get rid of the scarring itself. A few years back I had some intense pulsed light (IPL) treatment to get rid of a little patch of broken capillaries on my face. Think it cost me about £120 which was a bargain considering the effect it had on my confidence. That wasn't really scarring but IPL also works for rosacea, acne scarring and hyperpigmentation. IPL is quite mild but for more noticeable scarring there are laser treatments which can be very effective, and you can get chemical peels that will smooth out larger areas over a few sessions of treatment.

In the meantime you could try scar reduction creams or serums. I think Boots stock a few but I wouldn't know how effective they are. You might also want to try tattoo concealer, due to tattoos being so mainsteam now that's pretty widely available and affordable and no longer just for professional make-up artists.

[Blue Jam]

IsavedLatin Bourjois was my favourite foundation too, gutted that it's gone. Haven't found anything to match.

Awwww, as a 90's teenager I grew up on Bourjois. Those cute little round eyeshadow compacts, and that nail polish that looked colourless until the light hit it and then it was a reflective pink or blue. Apparently Bourjois is still going strong, just not in the UK (thanks Brexit) so I'm sure you'll be able to find their stuff online, or on eBay at least. I haven't bought Bourjois stuff in years but I'll miss seeing all those round pastel containers in Boots.

Yeah Blue Jam , Lacura gets great reviews IIRC there was a blind test between that and Creme Da La Mer, with Lacura coming out as the superior product.

I was in Aldi last week and picked up a limited edition Lacura mouisturiser from a big pile in the Weird Random Crap aisle. Lacura "Ebony Rose" with black rose extract. No idea what that's supposed to do but the moisturiser itself is rich while somehow being nice and light and it smells divine. Might have to pop back and get a couple more before they're all gone.

Moisturiser is a difficult one too. I think I went through a series of mattifying moisturisers when I was younger and greasier, then when I turned 30 and moved to Scotland I found the cold weather suddenly making my skin really dry and irritable.  Until recently I used the Nivea moisturisers that Sainsbury's always seem to have in stock, the one in the pinkish box is SPF 25 and non-greasy and also smells of roses and seems to do the trick. As for night cream, any cheap crap will do won't it? No-one's going to see you in the dark so it doesn't matter if it's matt or shiny. It's best to spend the extra on a decent day cream.

Shower gel and shampoo/conditioner are like that too I find. Shower gel- meh, get that 40p Tesco Basics stuff, job's a good 'un. Shampoo and conditioner? Scrimp on those at your peril.

[flotemysost]

Fake brows look terrible. Tbh I'm not a fan of the duck lips fake tan, fake hair, fake nails. What part of the woman is real?

Not if they're done well. It can look a bit sloppy or unnatural when people use a shade that's too dark for their natural colouring, use too-blunt pencils, or deviate too far from the natural shape and angle of their brows, but if done well they can subtly lift and enhance the other features, or add drama and expression to a look. But also if someone wants to shave off their eyebrows and draw in little turquoise dots (as someone I used to know did) then that's cool too.

The bolded bit of your post is the type of thing I see on dating apps all the time and it's kind of boring. I appreciate this is a thread about make up, but as Goblin mentioned upthread, these discussions always seem to bring out comments about women looking "fake" as if we owe it to anyone to look a particular way. We don't. The pressure to be "natural" particularly stings as unless you happen to be blessed with 100% perfect features (i.e. no one), you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Sure everyone has things that are and aren't to their taste, and I'm personally not a fan of that look either, but if someone else wants to look a particular way it's none of my business really.

Anyway. Bourjois was definitely the brand du jour for me as a teenager too, those round sparkly eyeshadows and also I had a heart-shaped pencil sharpener from them which I really loved. That and Maybelline's Dream Matte Mousse foundation... although the less said about that, the better.

[Blue Jam]

The bolded bit of your post is the type of thing I see on dating apps all the time and it's kind of boring. I appreciate this is a thread about make up, but as Goblin mentioned upthread, these discussions always seem to bring out comments about women looking "fake" as if we owe it to anyone to look a particular way. We don't.

I have to wonder about these men complaining about fake tans, fake lips, fake boobs etc as if there's an epidemic of women who look like that. Is that look still fashionable? Unless you're in a nightclub in the Footballer Belt on a Saturday night I doubt you'd see all that many of these women.

That's another thing I used to see a lot on Reddit: men (or perhaps boys) whining about how false fingernails aren't attractive to them and they can't understand why women like them so much. I have a friend who always has false nails. She likes them. They're fun. That's it. Guys, not everything is about your willy.

The pressure to be "natural" particularly stings as unless you happen to be blessed with 100% perfect features (i.e. no one), you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Sure everyone has things that are and aren't to their taste, and I'm personally not a fan of that look either, but if someone else wants to look a particular way it's none of my business really.

I can remember at least one occasion when I'd have a male friend rant about how women shouldn't fee the need to wear so much "war paint" when men prefer the natural look, and when I've said they're not doing it purely for men and there's nothing wrong with make-up he's replied: "Yeah, but you don't wear make up". I suspect most men have no idea how much make-up is required to look "natural" as opposed to "like death warmed up".

Recently I read something about how a lot of women in France seem to look great despite wearing no make-up: by spending their money on a good dermatologist instead. Even with no make-up that look still manages to be not entirely natural (not to mention expensive).

With the whole fake thing, the only one I really don't understand is lip fillers. What's so good about having big lips anyway? I can understand if someone has a thin top lip and would like to plump it up to match the bottom one, but otherwise I don't get it. I can't say I think about the size of my lips, or anyone else's, all that much. Lips can be nice at any size.

[Buelligan]

Recently I read something about how a lot of women in France seem to look great despite wearing no make-up: by spending their money on a good dermatologist instead. Even with no make-up that look still manages to be not entirely natural (not to mention expensive).

Heheh.  Just done a straw poll of the village - no one here is spending their money on a dermatologist, good, bad or indifferent.  FWIW, stuff like the above is often, IMO, just another way of pressuring people into feeling inadequate about their bodies and buying yet another thing to make them feel OK about themselves. 


_{Indifferent dermatologist, earlier}

[NoOffenceLynn]

As for night cream, any cheap crap will do won't it? No-one's going to see you in the dark so it doesn't matter if it's matt or shiny. It's best to spend the extra on a decent day cream.

Shower gel and shampoo/conditioner are like that too I find. Shower gel- meh, get that 40p Tesco Basics stuff, job's a good 'un. Shampoo and conditioner? Scrimp on those at your peril.

Yep, the old favourites Nivea in the blue tin or Astral in the blue tub are great for night creams.

One of the best hair products I've found recently is Mythic Oil it leaves hair super soft without weighing it down, sold in hairdressers and specialist shops so it's expensive but L'oreal also do a similar version called Extraordinary Oil which does the job too.

[GoblinAhFuckScary]

Yep, the old favourites Nivea in the blue tin or Astral in the blue tub are great for night creams.

Might try some Nivea night cream stuff. Been using some some Cerave moisturiser (along with their cleanser, also excellent) which is usually good and ridiculous value for the amount you get, but I've been like incredibly hormonal for three months solid, oily to dry oily to dry ad nauseum, so it feels too thick and nothing of my established routine seems to stop me getting pretty grotesque at this point.

[flotemysost]

I have to wonder about these men complaining about fake tans, fake lips, fake boobs etc as if there's an epidemic of women who look like that. Is that look still fashionable? Unless you're in a nightclub in the Footballer Belt on a Saturday night I doubt you'd see all that many of these women.

I think these days it's less "Jordan circa 2003" (very brown tan, white-tipped square French manicure, clip-in extensions) and more the type of look you see on the cast of reality shows like Love Island and Geordie Shore - lots of contouring, fake lashes, big ombre brows, long dark pointy nails etc. I suppose the Kardashians have been credited with the popularity of techniques like contouring too (though AFAIK it originated with drag).

Tbf there definitely does seem to be a ubiquitous "face" among reality stars and influencers at the moment, which I think is partly down to lots of people in their twenties getting Botox - presumably they're unlikely to have significant lines or wrinkles, but it has a way of "setting" your features more symmetrically and can enhance the natural arch of your brows (most people have one slightly lazy eye to some degree, and the difference in muscle tone means most people's features are naturally a bit lopsided - not anything you'd necessarily notice face-to-face, but if your reputation is based on posting selfies then I suppose you want everything to look as flawless as possible). But there are plenty of people who don't look like that too, so the men complaining about it are basically just whingeing that not every single woman on earth is fanciable to them.

One of my former flatmates was incredibly pretty and natural-looking, normally only wore subtle make up, and I was quite surprised to learn how many cosmetic/surgical procedures she'd had - I'm sure lots of fakery naysayers might hold someone like her as an example of "natural" beauty without realising the full story. Obviously it doesn't matter either way and I know this isn't a surgery thread so I'll leave it at that, but suffice to say putting "natural " beauty on a pedestal isn't really helpful to anyone.

[Blue Jam]

Yep, the old favourites Nivea in the blue tin

That's the one! Never tried Astral myself but I understand it has a lot of celebrity endorsements. I think Pond's Cold Cream is another one that's surprisingly popular with the kind of people who can afford much more expensive stuff.

In the summer I use Nivea's SPF 50 facial moisturiser. The widely-available one which always seems to be on offer at Sainsbury's. It really is non-greasy as it promises and it's nice and cheap.

The best sunblock I have ever used was a brand called Heliocare, which I picked up at the skin clinic where I had my IPL done. Didn't want to want any burning or scarring so thought I'd treat myself to some proper hardcore sunblock. The Heliocare one had a gel-like texture and was easily absorbed and not opaque white or greasy at all, but it was also £25. You can get it for about £18 on Amazon and I might still pick some up for whenever we're allowed to go on holiday again.

[Janie Jones]

A couple of people upthread mentioned T K Maxx is good for discontinued cosmetics, consider my hat fucked, I had no idea they did make-up. I assume that like the clothes it's a mixture of genuine discounts on previous seasons' stuff and 'special purchase' overpriced tat so I'll be weighing it up carefully and am looking forward to a good rummage when the shops open.

I wondered if anyone would mention YSL Touche Éclat because it always seems to win any discussion about classic products that work (it's a highlighter/concealer of the type you see celebs using a bit too much of sometimes on their eye bags). My daughter swears by it, she also uses Estee Lauder doublewear foundation and says Bare Minerals concealer is very good.

There's been a couple of positive mentions of Boots No.7 Definition Mascara, I'd forgotten I actually used this for years but I got so cross with myself for always forgetting the ubiquitous discount vouchers and having to pay full price that I flounced away from it. I will crawl back.

[Blue Jam]

Touche Eclat is very nice, I've borrowed it before and it's very light and very effective. Cheaper imitations exist but none are as good. Never bought it for myself though as I don't use concealer anymore.

If we're talking more expensive products Clinique's Black Honey lipstick is a classic. Looks very dark but goes on very sheer, with just a hint of colour.

TK Maxx is great for make-up but they don't have testers, some real bargains if you can live with that though (or if you're sneaky and don't let the staff see you opening things). I don't know if any of the stuff they stock is "special purchase" stuff made especially for TK Maxx, there are a lot of bold colours though, and if that's your thing there are some real bargains to be had. They also do shampoo and conditioner in huge salon-sized bottles at a big discount, you can get 900ml of Tigi shampoo (which all smells amazing) for a fiver if you look at the reduced shelf with all the red stickered items.

Think I got my hair straighteners there too now I think about it. They must be at least 12 years old but they're still going strong. And they're GOLD!

[IsavedLatin]

If anyone wants a deep dive on the Beauty Pie skincare, DM me (I promise I'm not on commission but I've tried the majority of it and have many opinions).

Re: mentions of IPL, has anyone tried it for hair removal? I'm curious about it and would be interested in first-hand accounts of what it's like, unfiltered by advertorial write-ups.

[Marner and Me]

It would depend on what caused the scarring, if it was raised or flat, or if it was a different colour from the surrounding skin or not. There are different solutions for different types of scar.

Have you tried visiting a spa/skin clinic type of place? Some of them sell specialist professional makeup for covering scars, for use after surgery etc, stuff you won't find in Boots or Superdrug. They may also be able to advise you on treatments to reduce or get rid of the scarring itself. A few years back I had some intense pulsed light (IPL) treatment to get rid of a little patch of broken capillaries on my face. Think it cost me about £120 which was a bargain considering the effect it had on my confidence. That wasn't really scarring but IPL also works for rosacea, acne scarring and hyperpigmentation. IPL is quite mild but for more noticeable scarring there are laser treatments which can be very effective, and you can get chemical peels that will smooth out larger areas over a few sessions of treatment.

In the meantime you could try scar reduction creams or serums. I think Boots stock a few but I wouldn't know how effective they are. You might also want to try tattoo concealer, due to tattoos being so mainsteam now that's pretty widely available and affordable and no longer just for professional make-up artists.

Tbh it is something I have had fleeting thoughts on, it is now part of me and sometimes I quite like it. It is slightly raised, so I assume that would be harder to deal with. I might research this further and have a look into it. 

[GoblinAhFuckScary]

With the whole fake thing, the only one I really don't understand is lip fillers. What's so good about having big lips anyway? I can understand if someone has a thin top lip and would like to plump it up to match the bottom one, but otherwise I don't get it. I can't say I think about the size of my lips, or anyone else's, all that much. Lips can be nice at any size.

My housemate is very sensitive about having small lips and desperately wants lip fillers. For what it's worth I think they can look fucking cool and when they really work you might not even know they've had lip fillers. Depends on your face. Depends how much you fancy Beatrice Dalle