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Phwoar thread redux

Started by touchingcloth, March 14, 2021, 05:28:45 PM

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Phwoar thread

It's great - keep it
98 (53.3%)
It's phwoarful, shit it off
85 (46.2%)
serious bzness
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Total Members Voted: 184

BlodwynPig


Lisa Jesusandmarychain

Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 14, 2021, 09:05:13 PM


I think it's odd to say that just because the wanking thread is entirely made up of male posters then that makes it more acceptable. Just sack the horrible fucking thing off.

There is a female presence in the thread ( albeit an extremely minor one), the most prolifically posting one being Blue Jam. I would go along with the view expressed by herself and other posters that it is genuinely interesting to see what kind of personage is considered attractive by the boys and girls of CaB. It's when out- and-out Porn stars get posted, or pictures of , for example, lady golfers get posted with accompanying comments no more sophisticated than " this woman has massive knockers" that things get problematic.

canadagoose

Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 14, 2021, 09:05:13 PM
The Corbyn threads (and the subsequent Labour ones) were generally genuinely supportive and inspiring places, not sure why you'd use the word cesspit to describe them.

I think it's odd to say that just because the wanking thread is entirely made up of male posters then that makes it more acceptable. Just sack the horrible fucking thing off.
I used to think the same thing about "Cybernat" Twitter prior to about 2016. If you'd fallen out of step, I'm sure you'd have thought differently. Suddenly turns from wondrous and joyful to a pack of rabid wolves. Certainly gave a terrible impression of the forums to an extent I hadn't realised until I heard from others about it. Anyway, the threads are dead now, so that's a thing.

holyzombiejesus

Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on March 14, 2021, 09:13:38 PM
There is a female presence in the thread ( albeit an extremely minor one), the most prolifically posting one being Blue Jam. I would go along with the view expressed by herself and other posters that it is genuinely interesting to see what kind of personage is considered attractive by the boys and girls of CaB. It's when out- and_out Porn stars get posted, or pictures of , for example, lady golfers get posted with accompanying comments no more sophisticated than " this woman has massive knockers" that things get problematic.

Not really looking for guidance from you on what is and isn't sleazy and problematic.

Pingers

Quote from: holyzombiejesus on March 14, 2021, 09:16:17 PM
Not really looking for guidance from you on what is and isn't sleazy and problematic.

dr beat

Quote from: canadagoose on March 14, 2021, 09:16:10 PM
I used to think the same thing about "Cybernat" Twitter prior to about 2016. If you'd fallen out of step, I'm sure you'd have thought differently. Suddenly turns from wondrous and joyful to a pack of rabid wolves. Certainly gave a terrible impression of the forums to an extent I hadn't realised until I heard from others about it. Anyway, the threads are dead now, so that's a thing.

Yeah chalk me up as someone who likes Corbyn, but intimidated by the Corbyn threads and not feeling welcome to put in a view which *might* slightly differ. 

Zetetic

Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on March 14, 2021, 09:13:38 PM
It's when out- and-out Porn stars get posted ... that things get problematic.
Why do you think this?

Elderly Sumo Prophecy


Midas

Quote from: Jerzy Bondov on March 14, 2021, 08:44:01 PM
I thought this was a really good post about the thread in question.

I was quite anxious I wasn't articulating myself clearly when I posted that. Cheers!

Buelligan

Quote from: dr beat on March 14, 2021, 09:20:48 PM
Yeah chalk me up as someone who likes Corbyn, but intimidated by the Corbyn threads and not feeling welcome to put in a view which *might* slightly differ.

This doesn't look good for Corbyn.

Oz Oz Alice

Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on March 14, 2021, 09:13:38 PM
It's when out- and-out Porn stars get posted, or pictures of , for example, lady golfers get posted with accompanying comments no more sophisticated than " this woman has massive knockers" that things get problematic.

What's wrong with out and out porn stars? As someone who is friends with several sex-workers this is the sort of retrograde attitude to sexual attraction other people have mentioned and frankly it worries me as it implies that they are somehow a lesser form of life. As if its more wrong to wank yourself blind over someone who may well find you doing this empowering and in fact gets paid for this than it is to leer at an attractive actor and speculate what they get up to in the bedroom. It's fucking stupid and entirely topsy turvey.

Buelligan


Lisa Jesusandmarychain

Quote from: Zetetic on March 14, 2021, 09:22:54 PM
Why do you think this?
Because , generally speaking, Porn isn't my cup of tea, I think It's a fairly unpleasant industry that exploits the vulnerable and the fucked up, and It's a bit upsetting for me to see Porny types sharing threadspace with the likes of Lucy Worsley, or whoever. Fair play to those sorts who can handle themselves ( fnarr) in that industry, and make shitloads of money out of it and that, though.

chveik

well they make their living out of being viewed that way (as sexual objects), as opposed to journalists, scientists and the like. edit: what Oz Oz Alice said

holyzombiejesus

Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on March 14, 2021, 09:28:30 PM
It's a bit upsetting for me to see Porny types sharing threadspace with the likes of Lucy Worsley, or whoever.

Aw, hope you feel better soon.

Lisa Jesusandmarychain


Retinend

Unlike you gurning spunk-monkeys, I'm what you call a "sapiosexual". Images like this really get me going:


Chedney Honks

As a solid rule, General Bullshit is the worst section of this forum by a long long way.


Zetetic

Quote from: Oz Oz Alice on March 14, 2021, 09:27:20 PM
As if its more wrong to wank yourself blind over someone who may well find you doing this empowering and in fact gets paid for this
While my own question to Lisa was a bit driven by this perspective, I think this seems a bit ... simplistic as well.

1. It's clear that coercion is a significant issue in sex work, starting from the common coercion involved in almost all work of needing money to obtain shelter and food. Yes, "sex work is work" but it's also still sex and so we can wonder if even that common coercion has a different quality in that context.

2. It's missing the wider issue of externalities, which we wouldn't (on here, I think) tend to sweep under the carpet for other industries. The fact that sex can be obtained as a commodity at all arguably reinforces the perspective that leads to objectification more broadly.

canadagoose

Quote from: GoblinAhFuckScary on March 14, 2021, 09:44:47 PM
Really sorry for this


Won't you get brain juice on your fingers? Or worse, electrocuted.

Lisa Jesusandmarychain

Quote from: GoblinAhFuckScary on March 14, 2021, 09:44:47 PM
Really sorry for this



Why is the word " fuck" spelt in two different ways?

bgmnts

Why is the sentence "why is the word fuck spelt two different ways" spelt two different ways?

pigamus

Oh it's a brain, I thought it was balls

Lisa Jesusandmarychain

Quote from: bgmnts on March 14, 2021, 10:01:22 PM
Why is the sentence "why is the word fuck spelt two different ways" spelt two different ways?

^ corrected my post while bgmnts was typing his shrewd observation, so please don't get confused, readers.

Oz Oz Alice

Quote from: Zetetic on March 14, 2021, 09:52:01 PM
While my own question to Lisa was a bit driven by this perspective, I think this seems a bit ... simplistic as well.

1. It's clear that coercion is a significant issue in sex work, starting from the common coercion involved in almost all work of needing money to obtain shelter and food. Yes, "sex work is work" but it's also still sex and so we can wonder if even that common coercion has a different quality in that context.

2. It's missing the wider issue of externalities, which we wouldn't (on here, I think) tend to sweep under the carpet for other industries. The fact that sex can be obtained as a commodity at all arguably reinforces the perspective that leads to objectification more broadly.

I'm aware that it's a very simplistic expression of a complex issue but his point wasn't about how coercion can be a factor, it just looked like a dismissal of sex work as a valid industry as it if was focussed entirely on the negative aspects of it in a way we don't tend to do for other industries. As if everyone in porn has some Chuck Traynor figure making them fuck dogs. Of course I'm well aware of the myriad cases where people are forced into this whether by economic circumstances, outright abuse or a combination thereof. Just thankfully I don't know anyone in that field who that is their experience - on the contrary they seem much happier in their line of work than I am. Frankly I'd get into it myself if I wasn't A) traumatised by my own history of sexual violence and B) a mediocre looking human being at best.

flotemysost

Quote from: Oz Oz Alice on March 14, 2021, 09:27:20 PM
What's wrong with out and out porn stars? As someone who is friends with several sex-workers this is the sort of retrograde attitude to sexual attraction other people have mentioned and frankly it worries me as it implies that they are somehow a lesser form of life. As if its more wrong to wank yourself blind over someone who may well find you doing this empowering and in fact gets paid for this than it is to leer at an attractive actor and speculate what they get up to in the bedroom. It's fucking stupid and entirely topsy turvey.

Completely agree, and basically what I was trying to say earlier with this

Quote from: flotemysost on March 14, 2021, 06:51:07 PM
The stuff that's bothered me in that thread (from what I've seen) is

- The weird coy snobbery about fancying porn stars vs. fancying women with more "acceptable" jobs (especially if they're in politics/science etc.) - to me, that plays into dangerously SWERF-y/Madonna-Whore territory

Stuff like this is an example of what I mean

Quote from: Lisa Jesusandmarychain on March 14, 2021, 09:28:30 PM
Because , generally speaking, Porn isn't my cup of tea, I think It's a fairly unpleasant industry that exploits the vulnerable and the fucked up, and It's a bit upsetting for me to see Porny types sharing threadspace with the likes of Lucy Worsley, or whoever. Fair play to those sorts who can handle themselves ( fnarr) in that industry, and make shitloads of money out of it and that, though.

Why is that upsetting? What's so awful about these dreadful sirens of smut that they're not even worthy of appearing on the same page of the PHWOARR thread as a woman you deem more palatable/acceptable? You make a very valid point about exploitation in the porn industry, it is a real issue (and I do watch porn now and then, so I'm probably being a massive hypocrite here[nb]admittedly it's normally female-directed content and from largely feminist, inclusive type sites, but I'm not naive enough to think that's a cast-iron guarantee of ethical conduct - anyway that's a separate conversation, which I probably need to look into myself[/nb]), but I think taking this angle helps contribute to dehumanising sex workers, something they probably already face from many quarters, and reduces them to the butt of a nudge-wink joke.

Also, I'm really very wary of people putting other (non-sex worker) women on this pedestal of wholesomeness and worthiness. I know I bang on about the whole Madonna-Whore thing a lot but it really is damaging, I've seen the effect it has on how men treat women, how they talk about women, how they fuck, even the lefty progressive woke ones, it's so ingrained into our culture but we have to try and make an effort to un-learn this shit.

phes

Quote from: imitationleather on March 14, 2021, 07:42:17 PM
I don't think a monkey is going to survive a nuclear holocaust.

they can't even make it round a log flume

Beagle 2

A thread like this has been around in one form or another ever since I started reading this forum, almost 20 years ago. But it's a hangover from a different time when people (me included)  still thought they were leering ironically. I started to feel creepy about this sort of stuff a few years ago and I don't know if it's me becoming a boring old fart or that the world has moved on and made us reassess things, but I don't like it any more.

Also I just don't have the sense these days that I'm in some obscure corner of the internet because they don't really exist any more. Everything's searchable and people will find stuff about them and it will bum them out. Okay, if you're making a comedy show you can choose not to go near a forum of nerds taking it to bits, but people making comments about your tits in a place you didn't expect to be, it's not really on.

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: flotemysost on March 14, 2021, 10:21:31 PM
Why is that upsetting? What's so awful about these dreadful sirens of smut that they're not even worthy of appearing on the same page of the PHWOARR thread as a woman you deem more palatable/acceptable? You make a very valid point about exploitation in the porn industry, it is a real issue (and I do watch porn now and then, so I'm probably being a massive hypocrite here[nb]admittedly it's normally female-directed content and from largely feminist, inclusive type sites, but I'm not naive enough to think that's a cast-iron guarantee of ethical conduct - anyway that's a separate conversation, which I probably need to look into myself[/nb]), but I think taking this angle helps contribute to dehumanising sex workers, something they probably already face from many quarters, and reduces them to the butt of a nudge-wink joke.

Also, I'm really very wary of people putting other (non-sex worker) women on this pedestal of wholesomeness and worthiness. I know I bang on about the whole Madonna-Whore thing a lot but it really is damaging, I've seen the effect it has on how men treat women, how they talk about women, how they fuck, even the lefty progressive woke ones, it's so ingrained into our culture but we have to try and make an effort to un-learn this shit.

I've avoided posting pictures of porn stars because (a) I thought it would be less controversial (although I can understand the argument that it's actually more controversial to post pictures of scientists), (b) porn tends to favour particular kinds of beauty (I don't think I've posted any pictures of fashion models either), and (c) they're more likely to be NSFW.

I wouldn't want anyone to think that I was standing in judgement of sex workers. Wholesomeness is not a quality I particularly look for in life. That's why I'm defending the Phwooar thread...