Topic: Star Wars: A New Dope

[Chedney Honks]

i really don't understand fandom

All fandoms of everything GIG is my suggestion. Honestly.

[madhair60]

All fandoms of everything GIG is my suggestion. Honestly.

fully on board with this.

[Wonderful Butternut]

I've said it before - the worst problem the sequel trilogy has is that it isn't a trilogy. It's three films pulling in all directions.

The original trilogy was never planned out at the start, but they built on what the previous film had done, not swept the previous installment into the bin and headed off on it's own path.

And, as mentioned up the thread, it still does bug me that the sequel trilogy effectively does no world building. There's the First Order, there's the resistance. How they got there or what is going on in the rest of the Star Wars universe doesn't matter. Pew pew pew! It's inept. Thirty fucking seconds of dialogue would have been enough without going all prequel-style turgidness.

It is truly incredible that they didn't even seem to co-ordinate basics, such as, "Who's going to be the final big baddie?".

[phantom_power]

You see, I thought the whole thing about the casino planet full of rich bastards and the arms dealer Finn and Rose meet was at least an attempt to address that. People profiting off perpetual war and so forth. But I can't blame Rian Johnson for not doing more since JJ started off the trilogy with IT'S LIKE EPISODE IV BUT BIGGER.
I've been in various online fandoms over the past 21[1] years and there will always be people who bitch and moan about the latest instalment of a franchise. The difference now is that creators take too much notice of fans and do stupid things, like write a movie to please an overly vocal minority who took the last movie so seriously they hounded an actor off social media.

And that's the other problem - social fucking media. It used to be that if you wanted to Let A Creator Know How You Feel, you had to corner them at a convention where everyone could see what a boundary-stomping embarrassment to the fandom you were. Now you just go on Twitter and @ them repeatedly about how they're pure evil, and so will twenty of your fellow fans, and so will another hundred trolls and shitposters in it for keks.

1.	why is it 21 why has the internet been around this long why why why when did I get old

I think that is the other difference between Marvel and sequel trilogy Star Wars as well. The creators had the courage of their convictions. End Game was filmed before Infinity War was released because they knew that their story was strong enough. That highlights the main difference I suppose as well, that Marvel actually had a plan over 10 years. Obviously they wouldn't have known exactly at the start how it would end and there would be evolution but there was clearly some plans there from Iron Man onwards.

[mothman]

And that’s another thing, not only was there a plan for the MCU, it evolved and likely expanded (as they came to understand the art of the possible), adding characters and movies but also ditching some plot lines and conveniently forgetting some foreshadowing without detriment to the overall flow of the story. Whereas the only adaptability the Sequel Trilogy displayed[1] was “OMG the fanboys hated 8 let’s get JJ back to remake 6 as 9 like he did with 4 as 7.”

1.	I’ll give them this, they probably made the best of losing Carrie that they probably could under the circumstances, barring just having her character die offscreen between TLJ and TRoS. Another what-if scenario to ponder there, would ep. 9 have been the better if they’d done so?

[druss]

Imagine going to watch episode 9 after specifically avoiding all trailers and news about it to be greeted with "THE EMPEROR HAS RETURNED!!!".

Comically baffling start.

[mothman]

All of the films start in media res to some degree, but the Sequels seem to just do it really, really badly. And I can’t quite explain why.