Author Topic: Times really do change, don't they?  (Read 4917 times)

Dr Rock

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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2021, 05:07:00 PM »
Do you reckon everyone working on these comics was about 80 years old? Buzby?

Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #61 on: April 03, 2021, 05:20:15 PM »
I came across this one just a minute ago.


Swap the Hong Kong Phooey caricature in your mind with one of an ape-like Afro-Caribbean or a Jew with a big hooked nose,

Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #62 on: April 03, 2021, 05:22:47 PM »
Wonder what the fuzzy-wuzzies thought about all this.

Didn’t like it up em, I heard.

Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #63 on: April 03, 2021, 05:34:49 PM »
Though I do find 'Invisible Dick' quite a funny title. They must have been taking the mickey with that title though, surely?

I could imagine the first page of that second L Cars strip almost as a Viz parody. Not the second page though, admittedly.

Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #64 on: April 04, 2021, 11:19:25 AM »
I think there was one about a Chinese guy who was a kung-fu fighter with a Chinese braided queue hairstyle (so about 100 years out of date at least) who biffed up bullies
Karate Sid from the Beano.

Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #65 on: April 05, 2021, 06:19:23 PM »

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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #66 on: April 05, 2021, 06:43:20 PM »
Swap the Hong Kong Phooey caricature in your mind with one of an ape-like Afro-Caribbean or a Jew with a big hooked nose,

I admit that Paul Daniels’s patter isn’t justifiable today

Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #67 on: April 05, 2021, 08:27:33 PM »
Remember Plug comic and their Antchester United strip?





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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #68 on: April 05, 2021, 09:47:42 PM »
Gosh, Cracker was my comic in 1975. Luckily one day I asked the shop lady for it and she misheard and gave me UK Marvel's Dracula Lives, and I took that from then on. Which was largely free of horrific racism (except maybe against Transylvanians).

Dracula Lives was an excellent spin off of the even better Tomb of Dracula, the strip that introduced Blade to the Marvel universe.

Draclia refers to Blade as "Black" every time he speaks to or about him. It's a real issue for him that Blade is black.

Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #69 on: April 05, 2021, 09:50:04 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp2/features/top5/overweight.shtml

Oh, and The BBC website as well.

Quote from: The BBC Website
It's a little-known fact, but there used to be around 30 Weather Girls. No, really. Unfortunately, when their camp classic 'It's Raining Men' was first put to tape, 28 of them had eaten a particularly ripe curry the night before, and actually exploded during the recording.

Blimey.

kalowski

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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #70 on: April 05, 2021, 10:10:16 PM »
I think I got lucky. My comic if choice was Krazy. I'm trying to remember, but don't recall any dodgy racist characters in that. I think Chicken (from Birdman and Chicken) was a bit camp, maybe.
Having said all this, I'm also pretty sure every character was white.

Lisa Jesusandmarychain

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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #71 on: April 05, 2021, 10:46:59 PM »
Sporty from the Krazy gang was black, and a positive role model, liking his sports and all that.

Freaky , from the same gang, was green ( being an alien), but they phased him out after a bit, because I don't think they knew what to do with him/ it.

Cheeky had a couple of racist stereotype mates like the Indian lad Gunga Jim ( " Oh, curry curry, hot stuff!"  " Groan! They ought TURBAN jokes like that one!"), but that was from his spin- off comic Cheeky Weekly.

kalowski

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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #72 on: April 06, 2021, 02:35:08 PM »
Sporty from the Krazy gang was black, and a positive role model, liking his sports and all that.

Freaky , from the same gang, was green ( being an alien), but they phased him out after a bit, because I don't think they knew what to do with him/ it.

Cheeky had a couple of racist stereotype mates like the Indian lad Gunga Jim ( " Oh, curry curry, hot stuff!"  " Groan! They ought TURBAN jokes like that one!"), but that was from his spin- off comic Cheeky Weekly.
Yes, I remember Sporty, and it just seemed natural he was one of the gang. Race never mentioned. Although you could go down the angle of "make the black character physical and sporty, of course!"

Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #73 on: April 06, 2021, 03:43:12 PM »
Was Benji from Ball Boy black or Asian?

Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #74 on: April 13, 2021, 05:18:48 PM »
Going through a collection of Beano annuals on DVD, just found this little beauty from the 1975 edition. 


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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2021, 05:48:09 PM »
The BBC ran a report at the time and apparently the Chinese kids in the audience were laughing the hardest at that, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr. I. M Woke.

At school in 1981 they showed us a video of a tv show called "16 Up", and in it was an appearance by John Cooper Clarke doing a piece called "Kung Fu International".  Everyone laughed so much that when the programme ended the teacher rewound the tape and let us watch that part again.  While everyone laughed uproariously the one Chinese kid in the class sat there looking absolutely furious.

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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2021, 09:07:28 PM »
Paddywack in Cheeky comic, late 70s - my heart always sank when I turned the page to that.

Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #77 on: May 09, 2021, 11:56:03 AM »
I found this very enlightened look at the Southeast Asians in Dandy Annual 1972.


Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #78 on: May 09, 2021, 11:59:31 AM »
Me Chinese! Me velly solly! Ah so, ah so, etc.

Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #79 on: May 09, 2021, 12:01:39 PM »
And, in the same book, this double-pager.




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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #80 on: May 09, 2021, 12:02:34 PM »
Do Chinese people actually replace Rs with Ls? I know they tend to pronounce Ls with Rs but never heard a Chinese person say me rike the flied lice or anything.

Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #81 on: May 09, 2021, 12:07:07 PM »
I don't think Chinese has an 'r' sound? I know Japanese doesn't have an 'l' sound. There's a song on the Bleach soundtrack called Just Bleach, where Ichigo's voice actor pronounces 'Bleach' as 'Breach'.

My grandma had loads of old books belonging to my uncle and one of my aunties when they were kids, and I took a few home, and my auntie's Jackie annual had a strip with a character doing an Al Jolson impression by holding a rubber ring against his face and singing 'Mammy, Mammy'. This was in the '70s.

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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #82 on: May 09, 2021, 12:12:38 PM »
Speaks perfect English in this frame. The inscrutable fiends are probably taking the piss out of us.


Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #83 on: May 09, 2021, 12:14:22 PM »
Seeing this thread makes me wonder how Family Guy gets away with so much. I know it's American, not British, but it's even more racist than South Park.

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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #84 on: May 09, 2021, 12:14:26 PM »
Do Chinese people actually replace Rs with Ls? I know they tend to pronounce Ls with Rs but never heard a Chinese person say me rike the flied lice or anything.
I don't think Chinese has an 'r' sound? I know Japanese doesn't have an 'l' sound.

My vague understanding is:

The closest sound to both 'r' and 'l' in Japanese (and maybe Korean as well?) is usually produced closer to the former so - all else being equal - English speakers are more likely to perceive 'l' to 'r' changes than the other way round.

Standard Chinese/Mandarin has two relevant sounds - one of which is close to 'l'[1], and the other of which is closer to 'r' than 'l' but can sound sort of like it's between the two. So English speakers might sometimes perceive 'r' to 'l' changes in English produced by Mandarin speakers, I guess?

(All the links have recorded examples on the right side of the page.)
 1. I note that the page actually gives examples of these in Korean and Japanese but indicates "More commonly [ɾ]".

idunnosomename

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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #85 on: May 09, 2021, 12:19:22 PM »
It comes from Japanese having no L sound, and them pronouncing it the same as R in English words. And when they write out words in Romanji they guess whether it's an L or an R, and somehow always manage to get the wrong one, leading to the phenomenon of "Engrish".

I don't think there's any truth on putting it on to Mandarin or any other Chinese language which are very different. But no one says "flied lice" out loud

Zetetic

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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #86 on: May 09, 2021, 12:23:31 PM »
Does Cantonese have anything particularly close to an English R?

idunnosomename

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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #87 on: May 09, 2021, 12:38:15 PM »
Apparently not. So perhaps Cantonese would say flied lice. Wu Chinese apparently (sourcing an apparently) has a similar thing to Japanese.

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kalowski

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Re: Times really do change, don't they?
« Reply #88 on: May 09, 2021, 02:48:45 PM »
The first Flower Travelling Band album was credited to Frower Travelling Band.

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