Northern Independence Party

[TheBrownBottle]

If you want to talk about Labour, let's do it in the Labour thread.

Fair enough, back to the NIP

[bgmnts]

This is a bad idea for many reasons, but principally for the fact that we'd get our fucking heads cracked in on day one.

Nah there are more proles than police.

People would obviously die but then police are killing folk left and right for peacefully protesting so what difference does it make?

Not that it matters anyway because i dont think the human race will last another hundred years.

[Buelligan]

Honestly, Starmer is performing poorly.  I'm not worried about a lack of policy three years out from a GE.  Polling at this point doesn't worry me either - somehow the British public think the govt is doing a bang-up job.  Hardest hit economy in the western world and over 100,000 fellow citizens dead, with a govt which has handed over billions to its pals for nowt in return.  And the silly cunts think 'Boris' is doing a good job.  It's insane.

You might not be worried about those things but plenty are.  More than worried and certainly not content to sit around and wait for another plate of cold sick to be served up.  If the electorate think Boris is doing a good job it's because the opposition aren't telling them anything different or offering any alternative.  The NIP are.

[Bernice]

Nah there are more proles than police.

Sure. The issue is there are more proles who would happily see your violent uprising put down than there are would join in.

[bgmnts]

Sure. The issue is there are more proles who would happily see your violent uprising put down than there are would join in.

I don't think so, if given the dilemma.

[TheBrownBottle]

You might not be worried about those things but plenty are.  More than worried and certainly not content to sit around and wait for another plate of cold sick to be served up.  If the electorate think Boris is doing a good job it's because the opposition aren't telling them anything different or offering any alternative.

I genuinely think any kind of real cut-through is impossible in the current predicament.  That's not a defence of Starmer's inaction, which has hardly helped.  But there's a big chunk of the electorate clearly on a 'war-setting'; i.e. back the govt in a crisis, all pulling together etc etc.  It's bollocks, of course - but it'll be interesting to see what happens once (if) the pandemic is over.

[Buelligan]

I'm really looking forward to seeing how things look after May 6.

[TheBrownBottle]

I wouldn't put much stock in local elections telling us much, regardless of the results.  They don't trend with GEs.

[The Culture Bunker]

I think in terms of the Northern Independence Party, they should use it as a PR drive: put themselves forward as an actual alternative with actual policies that could work. If they can get enough people to even just go "hmm, well..." and not dismiss them as either a joke (which I think may be easy to do) or Labour B Team, then it's something to work with.

[Harry Badger]

I hear they're calling for a general strike. That's right - it's 'get the lads out for the NIPs'.

[BlodwynPig]

Part of the problem is that pre-Corbyn Labour didn't try nearly enough to challenge those myths around employment and benefits. If more had been done before 2017 to challenge them (I'm looking at you, Ed Miliband and Rachel Reeves), then perhaps that Newcastle Evening Chronicle poll might have been different.

It's a fucking rag. Was a rag in the 80s when I first started to read it.

[TheBrownBottle]

The Ronnie Gill is a pile of shite.  But it wasn't their polling data.

[BlodwynPig]

Not if you're a Geordie.What happens to people like me who can't fight? Should I just buy a gun and hope for the best? (I'm serious.)

Join the NIP, what I've seen so far on their discord channel is amazing. The fervour and kindness of Corbyn's labour without any of the baggage. I'm not supposed to be involved I think, so happy for you to take over my account and I'll keep paying the subs (50 quid a year)

[BlodwynPig]

The Ronnie Gill is a pile of shite.  But it wasn't their polling data.

I think you've lost your way and I understand. Let us show you a new way, bonnie lad.

[BlodwynPig]

I think in terms of the Northern Independence Party, they should use it as a PR drive: put themselves forward as an actual alternative with actual policies that could work. If they can get enough people to even just go "hmm, well..." and not dismiss them as either a joke (which I think may be easy to do) or Labour B Team, then it's something to work with.

I'm now on their policy board - it's pretty easy - just sign up and have your say.

[bgmnts]

Just had a recruiter say "the minimum wage is good now, credit where its due".

So yeah fuck all parties and nuke this country into the bottom of the Atlantic.

[TheBrownBottle]

I think you've lost your way and I understand. Let us show you a new way, bonnie lad.

Only if we can splinter and finally have the People's Republic of Northumbria.  I'm unconvinced by the NIP's fence sitting re the monarchy should independence occur.  Unless it wants to crown me Emperor of all the Lands North of the Humber and South of the Tweed, in which case I'll overlook that oversight.

[Buelligan]

What fence-sitting?  They've said that policy will be voted on by the membership, not fence-sitting in the Starmer tradition, democracy.

And really, who gives a fuck about the Royal Family?  I couldn't give a shit, not whilst real suffering's in the world and needing fixing.

[TheBrownBottle]

What fence-sitting?  They've said that policy will be voted on by the membership, not fence-sitting in the Starmer tradition, democracy.

And really, who give a fuck about the Royal Family?

Abolish it.  No need for a vote.  If you're independent you get a new constitution.

And I wasn't being serious...

[imitationleather]

I've also joined the Northern Independence Party today.

The Discord is a lot busier than I expected.

[Buelligan]

So proud of you fellows, The CaB Pals marching off, their wee baldy heids glinting in the dying light.

[bgmnts]

SPLITTERS!

[JaDanketies]

I'm really looking forward to seeing how things look after May 6.

Here's how Corbyn could still be the next PM....

[pancreas]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13DrxvP3v7jtIcf1nUXyxtaJKLTVIBlvR/view

'Minifesto', on which they are doing a consultation with members about. Basically the last Labour manifesto.

[Norton Canes]

Disclaimer: I've skim-read the thread up to this point and not yet watched any linked media

So. I'm a voter, dissatisfied with both the current government and opposition, and want to know more about the Northern Independence Party, with particular reference to information I've gleaned (from this thread) that the party is largely focussed on Northumbria - but is considering York as a new capital.

I go to their website.

This is the entirety of the useful information I'm present with on the home page:

WHAT WE'RE FIGHTING FOR
To build a better, fairer and freer North for all.
To campaign for a referendum on the independence of the North, to be decided by the people of the North.
A green industrial rebirth.

WHO WE ARE
The Northern Independence Party is a democratic socialist party, who are committed to uplifting the voices of our members. We were founded in 2020 to combat the injustice of the north/south divide. We stand opposed to all forms of ideology based on hatred and bigotry.

FREE THE NORTH!

The 'Join' page - which I would not normally want to visit without knowing more about the organisation, but I feel compelled to as it appears to be the only other page of worth on the site - is encouraging, but hardly more forthcoming:

OUR OBJECTIVES
To build a better, fairer and freer North for all
To campaign for a referendum on the independence of the North, to be decided by the people of the North
To uphold the principles of democratic socialism and uplift the voices of our members
To oppose all forms of ideology based on hatred and bigotry

OUR VALUES
Show solidarity - unite, support each other, work together and fight for a common cause
Be decent - treat others well, be honest and act in good faith
Help out - help each other to create a society in which everyone is treated fairly
Take part - this land is our land, to care for and protect forever

MEMBERSHIP BENEFITS
etc

Conclusion: for casual visitors - all of whom are of course potential members and voters - the site is useless.

Hardly Nandos-tier, but not a promising start.

[Norton Canes]

Bear in mind that's me as a typical punter; not the dogged, information-hungry activist I am in reality.

[Norton Canes]

Although - it would be easier, and greatly appreciated, if someone could outline why they're North East-focussed, despite their name.

[BlodwynPig]

Completing their policy questionnaire (I answered strongly agree to all of them, natch)

Good arguments on the more contentious issues (not a policy, just a FAQ)

Will we keep the Queen?
Many people in the North love the royal family, and it is not for us as a party to decide this. If enough people in a free North want to keep the Queen as head of state, as she is in many commonwealth countries, then she will be asked to be. If the majority of people want to be a republic, then we will be. Either way, this will be decided by a referendum in a free North.

Edit, you've all read their manifesto already

[BlodwynPig]

Where's the border?
Our current proposal includes all of the North East, North West, Yorkshire and the Humber, and High Peak. Constituencies immediately south of the border will be offered the chance to join through referendum.

[BlodwynPig]

I've also joined the Northern Independence Party today.

The Discord is a lot busier than I expected.

Friend me :)