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Northern Independence Party

Started by king_tubby, March 29, 2021, 09:49:34 AM

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BlodwynPig


Buelligan

Quote from: Northern Independence Party@FreeNorthNowFive Years ago, Dennis Skinner was thrown out of the Commons for referring to David Cameron as 'Dodgy Dave'

This year, we learn that Dodgy Dave has been sliding into Rishi Sunak's DMs to beg for government-backed loans.

https://twitter.com/FreeNorthNow/status/1381166736909697031

Buelligan

Quote from: Northern Independence Party@FreeNorthNow
We have received a direct apology from this Labour official for misleading a former member of Labour about our party.

They have apologised directly to that former member.



https://twitter.com/FreeNorthNow/status/1381217226720677890

Kankurette

Will Cameron ever just fuck off?

BlodwynPig


king_tubby


Buelligan

So glad to see some justice looking like it's going to be served.  Time some cunts got cunted.

pancreas


Shoulders?-Stomach!

Jolly and well-meaning, missed the opportunity to speak direct to the audience though, should have been hammering lines like DO YOU WANT WESTMINSTER TO SIT UP AND PAY ATTENTION TO YOU THE ORDINARY GUY AT HOME, DO YOU WANT TO SEND SHOCKWAVES THROUGH THE LABOUR PARTY? GET ANGRY, GET MAD ARRRRRGH FUCKING VOTE I WILL PERSONALLY STAB YOU

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Also, if they want to be a wedge party then they need to actually take some of the wedge from the right. It makes more sense to narrow the message to the point where they are likely to attract voters from the left and right.

Use abstract language like 'left' and 'socialism' less and use hands-on practical language more. Frame the party as being about local investment, good jobs and taking back control from Westminster, even pinch some of the nativist stuff like trains being run by foreign companies and the money leaving the area.

That interview certainly pins her as 'your local friendly socialist' which is no bad thing, indeed, but if they want votes from outside trade unionists and students, something to make the average glum Leaver cunt sit up then the message needs finesse, less distracting language, more gripping rhetoric.

Buelligan

Maybe she was so subtle you didn't feel it.  It was there, watch again maybe?

pancreas

Kind of agree with Shoulders. Could have been a bit more to-the-barricades.

But still. SO much better than you'd get from basically any sitting MP. Applying rather high standards.

BlodwynPig

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on April 27, 2021, 06:21:01 PM
Also, if they want to be a wedge party then they need to actually take some of the wedge from the right. It makes more sense to narrow the message to the point where they are likely to attract voters from the left and right.

Use abstract language like 'left' and 'socialism' less and use hands-on practical language more. Frame the party as being about local investment, good jobs and taking back control from Westminster, even pinch some of the nativist stuff like trains being run by foreign companies and the money leaving the area.

That interview certainly pins her as 'your local friendly socialist' which is no bad thing, indeed, but if they want votes from outside trade unionists and students, something to make the average glum Leaver cunt sit up then the message needs finesse, less distracting language, more gripping rhetoric.

Wanting you on my strategy team now. Missed your calling.

Buelligan

My feeling (and I may well have felt it wrong) was this is a gentle, almost imperceptible, therapeutic phlebotomy, designed to draw blood softly from both Labour and UKIP. 

IMO, people who are going to vote NIP for reasons already know why, they don't need stirring up, they're plenty angry enough already and they know exactly why.  But there are people, who maybe voted Labour or UKIP last time that definitely don't need alarming or challenging, they could run the wrong way, they need to be gently peeled up and stuck down somewhere better, somewhere where their votes can do something that improves life for them.  That's what that was about.  That's what I felt. 

king_tubby


Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: Buelligan on April 27, 2021, 06:28:04 PM
Maybe she was so subtle you didn't feel it.

Me and apparently the entire population of Hartlepool.

Bernice

Can't believe Hartlepudlians aren't more into Twitter shitposts.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: Bernice on May 07, 2021, 09:07:36 AM
Can't believe Hartlepudlians aren't more into Twitter shitposts.

Can't believe every single twitter account with a whippet avatar wasn't eligible to vote in the by election.

Buelligan

I have an acorn from a favourite old tree sprouting now.  Eleven thousand, more, people who voted in the last general election in Hartlepool didn't vote this time and there were eight and a half that voted Labour.  I don't know what you expect. 

The first ever UKIP candidate, standing for parliament, gained 0.2% of the vote. 

This is not a film where a load of miners get their kit off.  This is a long march.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: Buelligan on May 07, 2021, 09:20:23 AM
I have an acorn from a favourite old tree sprouting now.  Eleven thousand, more, people who voted in the last general election in Hartlepool didn't vote this time and there were eight and a half that voted Labour.  I don't know what you expect. 

The first ever UKIP candidate, standing for parliament, gained 0.2% of the vote. 

This is not a film where a load of miners get their kit off.  This is a long march.

Predictable response, it is just the glory of the theory, the pristine sanctity of the long term project is slightly dimmed by the fact the candidate got fewer votes than some who seem to have entered for a laugh and far fewer than some who have had no national coverage whatsoever.

Bernice

Probably didn't help that she was stood as an independent, mind.

The NIP might well go on to be a force in politics, they will need to tweak their strategy to get there, though.

BlodwynPig

Quote from: Bernice on May 07, 2021, 09:26:14 AM
Probably didn't help that she was stood as an independent, mind.

The NIP might well go on to be a force in politics, they will need to tweak their strategy to get there, though.

Machine gun?

Buelligan

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 07, 2021, 09:24:47 AM
Predictable response, it is just the glory of the theory, the pristine sanctity of the long term project is slightly dimmed by the fact the candidate got fewer votes than some who seem to have entered for a laugh and far fewer than some who have had no national coverage whatsoever.

Whilst your strategy is what?  Dreary old man advice to give up and sit tight in your own shit and not even offered kindly?  No ta.


Old Thrashbarg

Quote from: Bernice on May 07, 2021, 09:26:14 AM
Probably didn't help that she was stood as an independent, mind.

The NIP might well go on to be a force in politics, they will need to tweak their strategy to get there, though.

Yeah, this is a pretty horrific result. Obviously not helped by the party registration mess, but even so, 250 votes is an awful return.

An enthusiastic, engaging social media presence is great, but the vast, vast majority of voters see none of that.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: Buelligan on May 07, 2021, 09:38:11 AM
Whilst your strategy is what?  Dreary old man advice to give up and sit tight in your own shit and not even offered kindly?  No ta.

You know you're in an extraordinarily weak exposed position when the argument has become so absolutely reductive as that. I even offered my thoughts on how this party could prosper above, so it's hardly as though all I am doing is unconstructive naysaying.

Sometimes you have to look facts in the face and say it was a total failure to launch. 250 votes in a by election could be achieved just by that many people voting on a whim for a blank slate they've never heard of and don't really care about.

This doesn't mean it's the end of NIP, but claiming it is some vital seed planted in the journey towards power is openly laughable. I laughed at it.

QuoteProbably didn't help that she was stood as an independent, mind.

The NIP might well go on to be a force in politics, they will need to tweak their strategy to get there, though.

I agree with this. It is currently a noisy twitter account with, as we can see, a very disparate and unhelpfully widely scattered base of support.


The Culture Bunker

I think I said early on that my personal take on them was that it seemed like some kind of a jolly wheeze to the people involved - the Twitter nonsense made me roll my eyes, the whippet on the logo just seemed naff. At the same time, it wasn't even enough of a joke like the bod in Hartlepool who stood for election in his monkey mascot uniform. Still not sure going with an ex-Labour MP was the right move either.

Always a chance they can make something of it, maybe targeting very specific council seats and going into overdrive on local campaigning, but I think they need to drop the whimsy. 

imitationleather

Not having the party name or logo on the ballot paper won't have helped at all.

Buelligan

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on May 07, 2021, 09:54:28 AM
You know you're in an extraordinarily weak exposed position when the argument has become so absolutely reductive as that. I even offered my thoughts on how this party could prosper above, so it's hardly as though all I am doing is unconstructive naysaying.

Sometimes you have to look facts in the face and say it was a total failure to launch. 250 votes in a by election could be achieved just by that many people voting on a whim for a blank slate they've never heard of and don't really care about.

This doesn't mean it's the end of NIP, but claiming it is some vital seed planted in the journey towards power is openly laughable. I laughed at it.

I agree with this. It is currently a noisy twitter account with, as we can see, a very disparate and unhelpfully widely scattered base of support.

Yeah, well, luckily I'm not in charge of the Party and neither are you.  Like I said, UKIP polled 0.2% in their first GE and that was with a great deal more money and a registered party.  Why don't you write to NIP and tell them how they've got it all wrong, maybe consider dialing down your tone a smidge?