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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2021, 10:50:16 AM »
Little Simz is so great.

Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2021, 11:47:24 AM »
Couple of my fave tunes.

Group Home - Livin' Proof
Black Knights - Zip Code
Godfather Don - Da Bomb Baby
Werd of Mouph - Show da World
Chi Ali - Funky Lemonade
Jigmastas - Beyond Real
Unseen Heard - Better
K-Otix - Spontaneity EP
All Natural - It's Okay
Nas - Get Down
Artifacts - Wrong Side of da Tracks
Audio Bullys - Ego War
A Tribe Called Quest - Electric Relaxation
Butta Verses - Work
Jeru Da Damaja - Ya Playin' Yaself
Krispy 3 - Who Ya Know
Lord Finesse - S.K.I.T.S.
Nas - Doo Rags
Million Dan - Dogs 'n' Sledgez
Kool Keith - Stratocaster
Numskulls - Something Worth Listening To
Numskulls- Think
Nas - Stay Chizzled
Ocean Wisdom - Revvin'
Old Dirty Bastard - Dirty and Stinkin'
Pete Rock and CL Smooth - They Reminisce Over You
Pogo - Jaaam
Brooklyn Zu - Prepare For The Buddha Monk
Public Enemy - Get The Fuck Outta Dodge
Beastie Boys - Sound of Science
Rza - Digital Bullet
Souls of Mischief - 93 'Til Infinity
Shortie No Mass - Like This
Ghostpoet - Survive It
Mos Def - Universal Magnetic
Wu Tang Clan - The MGM
K-Otix - Mind Over Matter
Square One - Take Your Time
North Star - Simply Ludicrous
Wu Tang Clan - Fast Shadow


You could argue that Audio Bullys and Ghostpoet aren't hip hop but whatever.

Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2021, 03:34:57 PM »
Not a massive hip-hop fan, my music taste is pretty white (I do like some soul, house and R'n'B though), but I like Cypress Hill, and the Wu-Tang Clan were a lot of fun at Primavera 2013.

Tunes I like (I'm not sure how many of these count though, I am a philistine):
Audio Bullys - The Things
Cardi B - I Like It
Cypress Hill - Ain't Goin' Out Like That
DJ Pretia - Timmy Turner
DMX - X Gon' Give It to Ya
Eminem - Lose Yourself
Handsome Boy Modelling School - The World's Gone Mad
NERD - Lapdance
NORE - Nothin'
Prince Paul - Psychosomatics (Convergent Thought)
Salt 'n' Pepa - Push It
Subliminal - Ha'Finali
Wu-Tang Clan - Shame on a Nigga

Also 6 Days by DJ Shadow/Mos Def but that probably doesn't count. Always reminds me of going clubbing in high school. And Shutdown by Skepta (grime), which was on the Everton changing room playlist thanks to Yannick Bolasie.

Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2021, 03:40:20 PM »
Salt 'n' Pepa - Push It

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2021, 03:52:47 PM »
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Salt 'n' Pepa were pretty credible in the early days.

Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2021, 04:00:38 PM »
Salt 'n' Pepa were pretty credible in the early days.

As a 12 year old I had two cassette tapes of MC Hammer but I'm not recommending him. Push It isn't really even hip hop, it's pop. Hip pop if you will. For me hip hop appreciation skews heavily to the underground, as opposed to trotting out the usual 5 albums by Public Enemy and De La Soul that everyone knows already.

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2021, 04:49:02 PM »
Genuine old man question: does anyone "scratch" on records any more?

Can only answer this in the context of DJing, and not whether modern hip hop music itself uses vinyl scratching as often. So not sure this answers your question. The answer is yes, but a great deal of djs have moved away from vinyl and onto time-code vinyl. TC vinyl allows huge gains in music storage, time-efficiency (at the decks), auto-synching, cuing, looping, triggering samples and effects etc. The skills associated with scratching still form the foundations of much of a performance, but the scratch itself is increasingly part of a wider range of techniques employed

People do scratch on formats other than vinyl/TC vinyl but they remain the standard.

Here's an example of the evolution with Craze in the late 90s and then a recent one.

https://youtu.be/FeXPZuS4roU

https://youtu.be/Ielxe6wjLLE
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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2021, 05:40:08 PM »
The skills associated with scratching still form the foundations of much of a performance,

A scratch here and a scratch there is fine but some lads like Q-Bert and those scratch pickles seem to build an entire act off it. This is very impressive but I can't imagine sitting through 90 minutes of it because it's not music, it's more like high level performance that gets in the way of the music. You can't settle and enjoy a groove because there's all this noise coming at you.

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2021, 05:58:46 PM »
been listening to Clipse's Hell Hath No Fury today. boy it's good

Momma I'm So Sorry

Wamp Wamp

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2021, 06:54:36 PM »
A scratch here and a scratch there is fine but some lads like Q-Bert and those scratch pickles seem to build an entire act off it. This is very impressive but I can't imagine sitting through 90 minutes of it because it's not music, it's more like high level performance that gets in the way of the music. You can't settle and enjoy a groove because there's all this noise coming at you.

That's exactly what it is. They're turntablists doing performance pieces. Even when doing more expansive sets intended for dancing or listening, I find DJs like Craze to be unlistenable.

DJ Fly did a good golden hip hop mix that really nicely balanced the turntablism and music. Starts a bit frenetic of course but it's decent overall

https://youtu.be/CbyDpGtg_C4

https://soundcloud.app.goo.gl/RjRHv
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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2021, 07:04:48 PM »
As a 12 year old I had two cassette tapes of MC Hammer but I'm not recommending him. Push It isn't really even hip hop, it's pop. Hip pop if you will. For me hip hop appreciation skews heavily to the underground, as opposed to trotting out the usual 5 albums by Public Enemy and De La Soul that everyone knows already.
OK, so what should I like then?

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2021, 09:55:38 PM »
bunch of faves that get a regular play

DJ Pooh feat Kam - Whoop Whoop!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N0AQtkOiIE

KRS-One - 9 Elements
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGQ0tBfoRVw

Main Source - Looking At The Front Door
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNRCQ9eagWQ

Big L - Put it on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWMjRMJ0dTI

Latryx - Latryx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JYtpQDcwKw

People Under the Stairs - Hang Loose (just read that double K died in Jan... SAD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGRbLoEs3TI

BDP - Dope Beat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4zOex1tNXs

Porn Theatre Ushers - Me and Him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZerff2zfrw

Jurassic 5 - A Day at the Races
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXvPayu-X5A

Funkmaster Flex & 9 Double M - Six Million Ways to Die
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI_taa2DOnQ

Lauryn Hill - Lost Ones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdNFFC0p7N4

Tim Dog + KRS-One - I Get Wrecked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BCvDXRyPoE



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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2021, 12:39:31 AM »
Give the Griselda boys a go.

This.

Their consistency is outmatched right now. Always putting out projects and almost all of them top quality. I think Conway is my favourite of the three at the minute, but it fluctuates.

Plus they work with The Alchemist a lot, who has been absolutely killing it production wise for the past couple of years. Love his work with Freddie Gibbs too.

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2021, 12:40:54 AM »
Plus they work with The Alchemist a lot, who has been absolutely killing it production wise for the past couple of years. Love his work with Freddie Gibbs too.

have you heard his recent collab with Armand Hammer? it's great stuff

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2021, 12:42:34 AM »
have you heard his recent collab with Armand Hammer? it's great stuff

Yes! I've only given it a couple of listens so far, though, so need to get back to it. It didn't grab me as immediately as the last Armand Hammer album actually. But definitely some strong stuff there from my first listens.

Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2021, 10:22:51 PM »
bunch of faves that get a regular play

DJ Pooh feat Kam - Whoop Whoop!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N0AQtkOiIE

KRS-One - 9 Elements
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGQ0tBfoRVw

Main Source - Looking At The Front Door
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNRCQ9eagWQ

Big L - Put it on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWMjRMJ0dTI

Latryx - Latryx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JYtpQDcwKw

People Under the Stairs - Hang Loose (just read that double K died in Jan... SAD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGRbLoEs3TI

BDP - Dope Beat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4zOex1tNXs

Porn Theatre Ushers - Me and Him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZerff2zfrw

Jurassic 5 - A Day at the Races
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXvPayu-X5A

Funkmaster Flex & 9 Double M - Six Million Ways to Die
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI_taa2DOnQ

Lauryn Hill - Lost Ones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdNFFC0p7N4

Tim Dog + KRS-One - I Get Wrecked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BCvDXRyPoE
Thanks for this, will check these out.

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2021, 12:50:41 PM »
A few of my favourites...I've not included anything too obvious (for example there are tons of great Eminem tracks but you probably know them already, same with classics like Juicy, Can't Knock The Hustle, The Seed etc) or off albums you mentioned in the first post. I've tried to cover a fairly wide variety of styles, if you like any of these in particular let me know and I'll recommend some more along similar lines!


2pac - Brenda's Got A Baby
2pac - Do For Love
2pac - Temptations
50 Cent - Many Men

Ab-Soul - Illuminate
ASAP Rocky - 1 Train
Big Pun - I'm Not A Player
Big Pun - The Dream Shatterer
Blak Twang - Ain't Done 2 Bad
Blak Twang - So Rotton
Bubba Sparxxx - Deliverance
Bubba Sparxxx - She Tried
Bumpy Knuckles - B.A.P.
CES Cru - Juice
Common - Resurrection
Common - So Far To Go
Common - The Light
Common - The Sixth Sense
Dead Players - Infinite Limousine Pile Up
Dirty Dike - Future Posse Cut One Thousand
DJ Khaled - I'm On One
DMX - Slippin'
Drake - Forever
Edward Scissortongue - Coma
Fat Joe - Bronx Keeps Creating It
Gang Starr - Rite Where U Stand
Ill Bill - When I Die
Immortal Technique - Harlem Streets
Immortal Technique - Peruvian Cocaine
Jadakiss - The Champ Is Here
Jam Baxter - Mask
Jay-Z - Dead Presidents II
Jay-Z - D'Evils
Jay-Z - Dope Man
Jehst - 1979
Joey Badass - Survival Tactics
Kendrick Lamar - Keisha's Song
Lauryn Hill - Lost Ones
Lewis Parker - Dues Paid
Lil Wayne - Pussy Money Weed
Lil Wayne - She Will
Mac Miller - 2009
Mobb Deep - Give Up The Goods
Mobb Deep - Up North Trip
Mr. J. Medeiros - Constance
Nas - Bridging The Gap
Nas - Get Down
Nas - Small World

Non Phixion - Rock Stars
Notorious B.I.G. - Everyday Struggle
Notorious B.I.G. - Gimme The Loot
Outkast - Rosa Parks
Pharoahe Monch - Queens
Pusha T - Drug Dealers Anonymous
Redman - Tonight's Da Night
Royce Da 5'9 - Legendary
Sage Francis - The Best Of Times
Skinnyman - I'll Be Surprised
Skinnyman - Who Me
Slum Village - Fall N Love
Styles P - The Life
Talib Kweli - Guerrilla Monsoon Rap
The Beatnuts - Off The Books
The Four Owls - Think Twice
The Fugees - Cowboys
The Fugees - How Many Mics
The Fugees - Zealots
The Mouse Outfit - Over The Rocks
Xzibit - Paparazzi
Xzibit - Stand Tall
Xzibit - The Foundation

I know it's an exhaustive list so I've bolded the ones I think are most worthy of listening to.

Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2021, 01:42:15 PM »
Little Simz is so great.

So fucking awesome! I got into her last year after listening to Stormzy's two underwhelming albums and thought to myself "Is this really the best the UK has to offer?", then found Simz via Rate Your Music's UK hip hop list and was blown away from the opening track.

Can anyone help identify where I think I've heard the chorus from her track 'Selfish' before? It seems so familiar, I assumed it was a sample but WhoSampled? doesn't have any samples listed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSSKDIcpdSE - It's been doing my head in for a year.


I know it's an exhaustive list so I've bolded the ones I think are most worthy of listening to.


Nice one! And thanks to everyone else for their suggestions. Gonna put together a playlist of all the tracks I don't know.

Much appreciated!

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2021, 03:49:40 PM »
Slum Village - Fall N Love
Never gets old, love the Flying Lotus tribute too.

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2021, 05:55:06 PM »
It's an unreal track - the drums on that and Off The Books are my favourite of all hiphop drum loops I think (along with Papa Was Too by Joe Tex, which has been samples a billion times), I have sampled them myself a ridiculous number of times. Weirdly I've never really been that bothered about Slum Village more generally, but Fall N Love is an all time classic for sure.

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« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2021, 06:04:33 PM »
yep great song

fuck this rap shit i listen to classical

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2021, 06:40:03 PM »
Popular opinion but that and Pharcyde - Runnin' are my two favourite Dilla tracks.

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2021, 07:02:46 PM »
Probably same for me, throw in that Janet Jackson tune Got Til It's Gone too.

Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2021, 10:06:38 PM »
Probably same for me, throw in that Janet Jackson tune Got Til It's Gone too.

That's Dilla? I didn't know that? Great song.

Agree about Fall in Love too.

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2021, 10:59:26 PM »
That's Dilla? I didn't know that? Great song.

Jam & Lewis, but it's inspired by his remix of Brand New Heavies - Sometimes apparently.

He did a nice remix though.

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2021, 11:10:48 PM »
Blimey, I've been under the impression it was Dilla for twenty years or so.

Just having a look through his production credits now, didn't realise he did The Light and So Far To Go by Common, that's anothe two all time classics for me.

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Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2021, 11:19:41 PM »
Blimey, I've been under the impression it was Dilla for twenty years or so.

I'm sure I read somewhere that he was involved in the original uncredited - maybe drum programming, there's no doubt that it's heavily inspired by his sound and I think J&L are very open about that.

I got into him well late, about 8 years ago having only passing knowledge before that - but once I understood where he was coming from and his sampling techniques I was totally hooked..

Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #57 on: April 05, 2021, 11:55:29 PM »
His Stereolab sampling here is fantastic. It's one of their very best songs but the recurring clipped snare makes this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnaDFsi5Jow

Re: Hip hop appreciation and recommendations.
« Reply #58 on: April 10, 2021, 09:57:26 PM »

Loving this party track from G Perico & Rucci.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrYAoJuOe7I

It's got a proper old skool 90s vibe to it, complete with Tom Tom Club sample. Just two minutes, too.

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