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Minor 6 Music Shake-Up

Started by Sebastian Cobb, April 03, 2021, 02:04:19 PM

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lazyhour

QuoteShame, avoided putting Cerys on this morning due to dread of further BBC wall to wall Phil the Greek content.

You've missed a genuine peach of a show. Worth catching update on, even. There was a Thelonious Monk thread running through the show.

Chicory

Quote from: lazyhour on April 11, 2021, 11:54:28 AM
Unrelated: Arlo Parks is bland rubbish. Why on earth do 6music keep championing her??

This is what gets my goat. They seem to have this elite set of artists - 'friends of the station' - who get a bafflingly huge leg up beyond being merely playlisted.

lazyhour

Quote from: Chicory on April 11, 2021, 02:07:25 PM
This is what gets my goat. They seem to have this elite set of artists - 'friends of the station' - who get a bafflingly huge leg up beyond being merely playlisted.

Yep. I remember when it was Public Service Broadcasting. It was like that fucking band had made a deal with the devil to get disproportionate favourable coverage.

Sebastian Cobb

There's got to be some sort of friends in high places between labels and the beeb somewhere. I think.

It's understandable that say, Peterson might play Brownswood recordings on his show because he owns the label, it's understandable that the BBC might chuck him a favour and go out of their way to plug artists, but they don't really it's all major stuff and quite obviously contrived.

shiftwork2

Jamz Supernova show was great.  Assume it wasn't modified much to accommodate the death of Kim Jong Un yesterday.

iamcoop

Quote from: lazyhour on April 11, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
Yep. I remember when it was Public Service Broadcasting. It was like that fucking band had made a deal with the devil to get disproportionate favourable coverage.

They were also doing this with Loyle Carner recently, a man who manages to create hip hop that is entirely devoid of any spark or excitement. It's rap in the form of a Tim Dowling column.

amateur

Quote from: lazyhour on April 11, 2021, 11:54:28 AM
Cerys is playing brilliant track after brilliant track this morning. Didn't seem to be a Playlist track in sight, either.

Cerys hasn't had playlist tracks in her show for years now.

Oi, where's Stuart Maconie's Freak Zone gone?

PaulTMA

Quote from: Chicory on April 11, 2021, 02:07:25 PM
This is what gets my goat. They seem to have this elite set of artists - 'friends of the station' - who get a bafflingly huge leg up beyond being merely playlisted.

Switched on for the first time in ages, was going quite good, third song in: Field Music, the 6Music Beatles

Norton Canes

Quote from: xxxx xxx x xxx on April 11, 2021, 08:08:19 PM
Oi, where's Stuart Maconie's Freak Zone gone?

Disrespectful to be playing Gong and some kids' TV themes.

iamcoop

He's just dropped EPMD into Everything in it's right place which let's be honest, is what he would've wanted.

Janie Jones

Quote from: iamcoop on April 11, 2021, 07:16:33 PM
They were also doing this with Loyle Carner recently, a man who manages to create hip hop that is entirely devoid of any spark or excitement. It's rap in the form of a Tim Dowling column.

Thank you! I am not alone.

Quote from: lazyhour on April 11, 2021, 04:31:57 PM
Yep. I remember when it was Public Service Broadcasting. It was like that fucking band had made a deal with the devil to get disproportionate favourable coverage.

To be fair, the gammons in Pere Ubu t-shirts who form most of R6's audience could remember watching the moon landings as little kids and had a lot of love for PSB. The promotion of the anodyne Arlo Parks is inexplicable, presumably some box ticking exercise.

billyandthecloneasaurus

Quote from: homesickalien on April 04, 2021, 01:17:05 PM
I agree - the playlist is probably the most annoying thing for me.

Spot on and funny observations in this thread - I love 6Music but its certainly a frustrating listening experience where I have to turn over to Radio 2 or whatever quite regularly.

I'm also with the poster who said for music content they like Marc Riley's show the best - I can't wait for him to get live bands on again.  I'd much rather hear that than repeats of the A-Z of punk or whatever (good as that is)

Yeah same.  Every few years I sort of forget how annoying i find 6music, listen a bit, then remember why i find it so frustrating.  As someone close to 30 who spent most of his teenage years and 20s listening to a fairly narrow selection of predictable indie and alternative cliches with the obvious cannony stuff from other genres that everyone of my demographic (white, middle-class bloke who used to be a #indiekid) listens to, i find turning on 6music and hearing the smiths, pulp, and the four tops or whatever very annoying.  It's like, my taste in music is shit, don't pander to me!

I also felt like even if you ACCEPT them playing bands like the smiths all the time, you can at least play a few more deep cuts - this charming man probably gets played enough on radio 2 already.

It also felt like if they weren't playing that really obvious mix of indie disco and stuff picked at random from the metacritic list of the best albums of all time, it would be like a fucking 10 minute house track, at 10am on a wednesday.

#193
Quote from: lazyhour on April 11, 2021, 11:54:28 AM
Cerys is playing brilliant track after brilliant track this morning. Didn't seem to be a Playlist track in sight, either.

I think her show is always playlist-free, which makes you wonder why Huey's in the same time slot on a Saturday isn't. It's jarring when he has to play Working Men's Club alongside his usual R&B fare.

Quote from: lazyhour on April 11, 2021, 11:54:28 AMUnrelated: Arlo Parks is bland rubbish. Why on earth do 6music keep championing her??

A friend has a theory that's very difficult to explain without sounding clumsy. Forgive and correct me if I do. But I'll give it a go: they try and do the right thing and champion black artists, but because the station is so white and run by Home Counties types then their choices are unimaginative and are palatable for your bald dads - like Arlo Parks, Michael Kiwanuka and Loyle Carner.

Whereas, similarly to what was said earlier in the thread, when they gave Craig Charles the drivetime show for a few months last year he'd play a string of great tracks by black artists without any sort of fanfare and it'd be brilliant. The same goes for the specialist weekend shows.

Let's not forget that when Dave won the Mercury, Radcliffe and Maconie complained on air that - and I'm paraphrasing here because I can't find the original quote - he didn't deserve to win because his music was only relevant to a small community of people in the south of England.

tl;dr - if you let people who only know about music made by white people with guitars pick the music then the choices beyond those genres are going to be unimaginative.

poodlefaker

Arlo Parks also has a documentary on BBC4 and a Later with Jools Holland all to herself. She's the new Laura Mvula.

Chicory

Quote from: Wayman C. McCreery on April 12, 2021, 08:08:54 AM
Let's not forget that when Dave won the Mercury, Radcliffe and Maconie complained on air that - and I'm paraphrasing here because I can't find the original quote - he didn't deserve to win because his music was only relevant to a small community of people in the south of England.

Bloody 'ell, all them rap singers and their namby pamby fans in that London wouldn't know a suet pudding if it bit 'em on't backside.

Radmac have a history of regarding British rappers as fake. They don't reject US rap and hip-hop (they play their own selection of the stuff) but just can't credit that the UK can have an authentic black culture that isn't 70s reggae (safely in the past and, they assume, more Jamaican than British).

Sebastian Cobb

I can't say I've really considered UK Hip Hop an explicitly black culture really, it's always struck me as more diverse than its American counterpart.

wooders1978

Add me to the burning out of control pile of kershaw haters, woeful

Is it going a bit mainstream though? On Saturday whilst I was cleaning the kitchen they had the coral followed by the zutons- not really my thing tbh and I find laverne in the morning a bit crap, music selection wise, she's a nice enough presenter in herself though

wooders1978

Quote from: Sebastian Cobb on April 12, 2021, 10:33:18 AM
I can't say I've really considered UK Hip Hop an explicitly black culture really, it's always struck me as more diverse than its American counterpart.

Agreed, a far wider demographic in Uk and Europe is represented

Also Cerys doesn't have a playlist because her show seems to largely comprise of her gassing on and interviewing folk!

However, assume you are all aware of Britify.com? Choose your station and presenter and their shows (Cerys inc) and playlists will launch in Spotify (if available) - bloody godsend especially if you're looking for the lesser known stuff or just catch a bit of something you like


Lfbarfe

Quote from: lazyhour on April 03, 2021, 10:17:08 PM
Hawkins is so shockingly banal and inane. Just sounds like a generic English RadioPresenter3000 robot. Honkingly bad and in no way appropriate for 6music.

He's been there forever. I'm guessing he's cheap.

Aw, he's alright for that time of the morning.  I wouldn't want someone yelping about 'bangers' and what's dropped at 5 AM.

thugler

Have been giving Worldwide fm a try when 6music doesn't grab me, is sometimes decent. Any other rec's for online stations that are worth a pop? I know of Resonance

Malcy

Thought 6 Music was pretty good last week. Didn't have to switch stations as often as usual but one song came on late one night that sounded like Scatman John drowning in a puddle to the sound of the same 2 piano keys being hit forever and ever and ever...

Chicory

If you want a vision of 6Music's future, imagine

Quote
Scatman John drowning in a puddle to the sound of the same 2 piano keys being hit forever and ever and ever...

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

... going mental in a dustbin.

Sebastian Cobb

Quote from: thugler on April 23, 2021, 12:54:25 PM
Have been giving Worldwide fm a try when 6music doesn't grab me, is sometimes decent. Any other rec's for online stations that are worth a pop? I know of Resonance

I hear a lot of good things about nts from people who also like Worldwide.

IMO the best shows on WWFM are:
Cosmodelica (fsome fridays) / Baleric Breakfast (tuesdays) with Collen Cosmo Murphy
Charlie Dark (fridays)
Louie Vega (mon / weds)
MLE (some fridays)

There's loads of others but those are the ones I tend to make a point of listening to as opposed to happening on.

Sebastian Cobb

Oh yeah meant to add I wish 6 Music got Katie Puckrick on on the regs as she's really good when she sits in. One of the few permanently upbeat dj's who doesn't get wearing with it.

Chicory

[middle aged indie bloke] Katie Puckrik can do no wrong. [/middle aged indie bloke]