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The "Who Should I Vote For" Thread, 2021

Started by Kelvin, April 04, 2021, 06:37:58 PM

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TrenterPercenter

Quote from: pigamus on April 08, 2021, 07:17:19 PM
Well I'm clearly not completely following what's going on so I'll shut up now.

No probs : )

Buelligan

So d'you want this fight or what TRENTER?  Heheh.

holyzombiejesus

Beware, she'll start with the strong swear words if you're not careful.

canadagoose

As GOB II was saying, I think England could do with some kind of PR for its councils. The vast majority of councils in Scotland are NOC because of PR, and I think it's for the best. Edinburgh Council is still shit, but I think it'll be shit whoever runs it. I wonder if England couldn't improve on our system - maybe elect people using the larger wards but split them back into smaller wards once the members are selected? Our wards are quite large now and that is something that would be good to improve.

ZoyzaSorris

It's good to have GOB here as our very own voice of alt-centrist fatherhood, with that winsome combination of slimy disingenuousness and delusion that is so indicative of that wonderful worldview. It gives us a sneak preview of what we will hear as the staggering cadaver of new Labour, a cancer that has finally ridden itself of the dead weight of its host, triumphantly rises once more for a new dawn of electoral irrelevance and disintegration.
To the weird cult of GOBs, Starmer doing worse than Corbyn (despite having the media and the PLP totally on side) will be because he isn't right wing enough. Makes sense. New Labour lost Scotland because it wasn't right wing enough. Labour lost the north because it wasn't right wing enough. To come - New New Labour loses Wales because it isn't right wing enough. New New Labour loses university towns because it isn't right-wing enough. New New Labour  loses London because it isn't right-wing enough.

TrenterPercenter

Quote from: Buelligan on April 08, 2021, 08:12:55 PM
So d'you want this fight or what TRENTER?  Heheh.

Sorry, are you talking to me? I'm confused.



Just kidding, no of course I don't want to fight with you

Buelligan

Quote from: TrenterPercenter on April 09, 2021, 09:58:43 AM
Sorry, are you talking to me? I'm confused.



Just kidding, no of course I don't want to fight with you

Jolly good to hear, probably for the best when all's said.

George Oscar Bluth II

Quote from: ZoyzaSorris on April 09, 2021, 07:08:36 AM
It%u2019s good to have GOB here as our very own voice of alt-centrist fatherhood, with that winsome combination of slimy disingenuousness and delusion that is so indicative of that wonderful worldview. It gives us a sneak preview of what we will hear as the staggering cadaver of new Labour, a cancer that has finally ridden itself of the dead weight of its host, triumphantly rises once more for a new dawn of electoral irrelevance and disintegration.
To the weird cult of GOBs, Starmer doing worse than Corbyn (despite having the media and the PLP totally on side) will be because he isn%u2019t right wing enough. Makes sense. New Labour lost Scotland because it wasn%u2019t right wing enough. Labour lost the north because it wasn%u2019t right wing enough. To come - New New Labour loses Wales because it isn%u2019t right wing enough. New New Labour loses university towns because it isn%u2019t right-wing enough. New New Labour  loses London because it isn%u2019t right-wing enough.

V cool you just make up a load of opinions, imagine I hold them, and get mad about it.

Quote from: greencalx on April 08, 2021, 06:21:43 PM
If the 2024 (or, as has been rumoured, 2023) manifesto is anything like %u201817 I%u2019ll eat my pants.

I mean fine whatever, it does feel like a lot of you on here are just wanting Starmer to be wildly rightwing, wanting to be betrayed by everything at every turn, wanting an excuse to vote Green or whatever. Fine. Cool. You do you.

I don't think he's been great so far, but I do think there are mitigating factors for that (the pandemic, say, the fact that politics this past year has been entirely conducted within the cabinet) and I definitely don't think anyone obviously better is available. Surely no-one here is advocating staging a coup and replacing him with...RLB? Who was such a great leader she, uh, lost to Keir Starmer?

Buelligan

Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on April 10, 2021, 03:24:09 PM
V cool you just make up a load of opinions, imagine I hold them, and get mad about it.

Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on April 10, 2021, 03:24:09 PMI mean fine whatever, it does feel like a lot of you on here are just wanting Starmer to be wildly rightwing, wanting to be betrayed by everything at every turn, wanting an excuse to vote Green or whatever. Fine. Cool. You do you.

Have you been following what's been going on in the Labour Party at all?

Here's an example, from today -


George Oscar Bluth II

I think warning people off joining a political party that isn't actually registered is sound advice tbh.

Buelligan


Buelligan

Although you could do worse than read this -

QuoteWe Already Know Starmer's Labour Ends in Tears – Just Look at the West of England - Rulebook-burning, a leftist purge and a mayoral candidate nobody wants to campaign for have produced disaffection and despondency in Bristol.

https://novaramedia.com/2021/03/29/we-already-know-starmers-labour-ends-in-tears-just-look-at-the-west-of-england/

NoSleep

Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on April 10, 2021, 03:24:09 PM
V cool you just make up a load of opinions, imagine I hold them, and get mad about it.

I mean fine whatever, it does feel like a lot of you on here are just wanting Starmer to be wildly rightwing, wanting to be betrayed by everything at every turn, wanting an excuse to vote Green or whatever. Fine. Cool. You do you.

I don't think he's been great so far, but I do think there are mitigating factors for that (the pandemic, say, the fact that politics this past year has been entirely conducted within the cabinet) and I definitely don't think anyone obviously better is available. Surely no-one here is advocating staging a coup and replacing him with...RLB? Who was such a great leader she, uh, lost to Keir Starmer?

You never stop with the disingenuous bollocks ever, do you?

NoSleep

Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on April 10, 2021, 03:56:27 PM
I think warning people off joining a political party that isn't actually registered is sound advice tbh.

https://twitter.com/FreeNorthNow/status/1380828771167657988

QuoteWe have a registration active with the Electoral Commission. It is the EC that has not got round to registering us.
Please Explain @Keir_Starmer

greencalx

Quote from: George Oscar Bluth II on April 10, 2021, 03:24:09 PM
I mean fine whatever, it does feel like a lot of you on here are just wanting Starmer to be wildly rightwing, wanting to be betrayed by everything at every turn, wanting an excuse to vote Green or whatever. Fine. Cool. You do you.

No, not at all. You're free to infer that but I rarely mean more than what I say which is simply this. I have yet to see any evidence that Starmer intends to pursue anything like a socialist manifesto. I know there's no policies to speak of yet, and one should reserve judgement until there are, but the positions he has taken so far seem more reminiscent of Miliband 2015 than Corbyn 2017 which is why I would expect an election to be fought from that position.

If it does turn out to be Corbyn 2017 (or even further to the left) I pledge, here and now, to stick to my promise to eat my pants, live, on this very website.

greencalx

Quote from: canadagoose on April 09, 2021, 04:54:15 AM
Edinburgh Council is still shit, but I think it'll be shit whoever runs it.

Any idea why that is? Our local councillors seem to be ok (dare I say it, even the Tory) but getting the council officers to actually do anything seems to be an almost impossible task. Seems like these are the people with the real power, and alas most of the ones whom I've had the misfortune to deal with seem to allergic to any kind of deep or creative thinking.


Fambo Number Mive

Even in the very unlikely event that the 2024 Labour manifesto is like the 2017 manifesto, I wouldn't trust Starmer to implement it. Look at his promises when running for Labour leader. How many of them has he kept?

NoSleep

Quote from: Fambo Number Mive on April 10, 2021, 06:42:55 PM
Look at his promises when running for Labour leader. How many of them has he kept?

Only the ones he made to the British Security State and the Trilateral Commission. An Establishment shill who was so obviously lying to the membership that I can't believe so many fell for it. RLB may not have the ideal leader but I'm sure her errors and compromises would not have been as destructive to the fabric of the party.

Buelligan

And it grinds my gears to remember how earnestly you (and others) spoke up about that, warning about it, before it happened and how those warnings were ignored by so many.  Never again.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: Buelligan on April 10, 2021, 07:01:50 PM
And it grinds my gears to remember how earnestly you (and others) spoke up about that, warning about it, before it happened and how those warnings were ignored by so many.  Never again.

Yes if only the 15 people reading this topic who disagreed wised up, there'd have been a different leader.

garbed_attic

I'm voting for any Burning Pink candidates on principle since they'll probably all be arrested once the Police Bill is through.

Buelligan

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on April 10, 2021, 07:09:36 PM
Yes if only the 15 people reading this topic who disagreed wised up, there'd have been a different leader.

That's hardly the point though, is it?  It's not as if here was the only place people were saying it.  Even if it were, the least people here could do now would be to have the grace to acknowledge that those warnings were given.

I'm surprised this needs saying.

TrenterPercenter

I think the point would be who are you talking about that voted Starmer? I've only heard one person on here say they voted for him, are there many others?

Buelligan

Why would that be the point?  How does that relate to what Shoulders said?

TrenterPercenter

Quote from: Buelligan on April 10, 2021, 07:01:50 PM
And it grinds my gears to remember how earnestly you (and others) spoke up about that, warning about it, before it happened and how those warnings were ignored by so many.  Never again.

Who are you talking about; who ignored these earnest speaking ups about Starmer that so grinds your gears?

Buelligan

In this thread, GOBII.  Read what he says above, it's as if none of the things that have gone on in the Labour Party during the last year happened.  Did you not read this page?

TrenterPercenter

Quote from: Buelligan on April 10, 2021, 09:49:51 PM
In this thread, GOBII.  Read what he says above, it's as if none of the things that have gone on in the Labour Party during the last year happened.  Did you not read this page?

Ah so one person.


many thanks.

pigamus