Derek Chauvin guilty [split topic]

[touchingcloth]

I'm not sure who in this thread is being sincere and who is being pointlessly edgy, so I'll just say that while I'm glad Chauvin has been punished, it feels like too little, too late.

I agree with the comments about the criminal justice system not being something to celebrate and throw our faith behind. I'm glad that Chauvin has been convicted, I'd hesitate more before saying that I'm glad he's being punished or that it feels like justice has been served.

[JaDanketies]

just imagining the next portion of his life, in protective custody, by himself 23 hours a day with an hour of exercise, and then perhaps getting the occasional savage beat-down. Always looking over your shoulder for someone who will kill you for the infamy.

We just turned on the BBC News on the BBC and it said it was going live to the jury delivering their verdict, right there on the News at 10 or whatever. Imagine knowing hundreds of millions of people internationally are staring into your eyes live through the TV and watching your ass get sent down. And that is just the start of the indignity.

his life sucks now. the above punishment is bizarre. Jail as a punishment by itself doesn't withstand too much thinking. Seems like a historic relic. But I don't know what you'd do with Chauvin. Ask the Norwegians to figure it out?

[touchingcloth]

Yeah, I couldn't get much satisfaction from seein Chauvin having the verdict read to him, with the president of the US having recently gone on the record as saying in almost as many words that he hoped he was convicted, and knowing that the reactions from the crowd outside were audible in the courtroom.

So it's good that the outcome hasn't been yet another acquittal for the police, but the fact that I felt some small scrap of sympathy with a killer cop shows quite how fucked the US justice system is.

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

I just don't have the capacity that so many others seem to have to obliterate the humanity of an enemy who is reduced to being an "evil" caricature deserving of societal retribution up to death. That is a right-wing, reactionary trait - that the evildoer must be cast out of society and punished as revenge. The fact of the matter is that on an individual level Chauvin and other police officers are dumb, racist assholes with probable personality disorders who (like most other human beings) are capable of rationalizing the worst atrocities.

Individual human beings are frail, irrational, and often violent. The solution is not in punishing individuals for public spectacle, but to target those responsible for maintaining the system that will continue to produce incidents like this one over and over again. And that does not solely have to do with police "reform" or even abolition, but acknowledging that the United States is a de facto (and therefore invisible to many) apartheid state with extreme segregation and racialized poverty.

[jobotic]

I do acknowledge that. All of that. Also that racist murderer cops always get with away with it and the fact that this one hasn't is a good thing.

[jobotic]

Cop did a good job and should be rewarded. Good riddance to the knife-wielding scumball.

Is this a bit? Can't tell anymore.

[Dr Rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTgge2bCDbk

Shapiro thinks the verdict was wrong and all the jurors are stupid

[Zetetic]

Never mind.

[TrenterPercenter]

I mean it's little to take pleasure from; a man lost his life and another man goes to jail; it is however fundamentally the right thing that has happened and I really hope it sends a message to these hard men cops that killing civilians is not part of their job description.


Shapiro can eat a dick.

[bgmnts]

While this happened, Florida just decided to enact an incredibly pro-law enforcement and anti-protest piece of legislation.

Crashing to reality almost instantly.

[a peepee tipi]

just imagining the next portion of his life, in protective custody, by himself 23 hours a day with an hour of exercise, and then perhaps getting the occasional savage beat-down. Always looking over your shoulder for someone who will kill you for the infamy.

We just turned on the BBC News on the BBC and it said it was going live to the jury delivering their verdict, right there on the News at 10 or whatever. Imagine knowing hundreds of millions of people internationally are staring into your eyes live through the TV and watching your ass get sent down. And that is just the start of the indignity.

his life sucks now. the above punishment is bizarre. Jail as a punishment by itself doesn't withstand too much thinking. Seems like a historic relic. But I don't know what you'd do with Chauvin. Ask the Norwegians to figure it out?

Anytime he gets transported anywhere it'll be at night under heavy supervision and the whole place will go on lockdown first. He will be treated far better than anybody else in any facility he goes too, any extra convenience that can be slid his way to make him more comfortable will be given. Any concerns he has as a prisoner will actually be taken into consideration. And more likely than not, he gets parole in less than 10 years serving concurrent sentences. As far as prison goes, he'll be pampered. And he fucking knows all of this. I get and appreciate the show of humanity, but the system being fucked still favors this kind of asshole and he will be receiving more than enough sympathy and hand-holding through all of this than the average person has ever been given just fuckin being detained, I wouldn't worry too much about how he's feeling

[JaDanketies]

I hear from the social media that a cop in jail is a target and when you're in protective custody then you mainly have nonces to socialise with, on the rare exception you do. I also believe from the HBO series Oz that it is Very easy to arrange for someone in protective custody to be greivously injured. As far as my knowledge goes, being a cop in jail is next level terrible, but I accept that I have not researched into it much. And a high profile prisoner in an (alleged) race crime? Fuggedaboutit. He's in for an awful time.

[imitationleather]

As a high profile murderer of a black man I would suspect he's going to be placed on the fast-track management scheme for the Aryan Brotherhood.

[El Unicornio, mang]

Is this a bit? Can't tell anymore.

You should see the "Terrible News" thread!

[JamesTC]

As a high profile murderer of a black man I would suspect he's going to be placed on the fast-track management scheme for the Aryan Brotherhood.

I initially misread that comment as you identifying yourself as a high profile murderer of a black man.

[Mobius]

I hope he has to share a cell with Adebisi!

[steve98]

Chauvin has what most serious-time inmates don't: hope: his hopes will be pinned on Trump  gettin' re-elected in '24 and pardoning him.

[touchingcloth]

I initially misread that comment as you identifying yourself as a high profile murderer of a black man.

That's correct. Don't you remember the thread about it?

[imitationleather]

And we wonder why more high-profile murderers of black men don't post on here.

[checkoutgirl]

it feels like justice has been served

If you stick a knife in my back nine inches and pull it out six inches, there's no progress. If you pull it all the way out that's not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made. And they haven't even pulled the knife out much less heal the wound. They won't even admit the knife is there.

In this one case whitey has agreed in principle that the knife is there. In the word of Winston Wolf "Let's not start suckin' each others dicks quite yet"

[checkoutgirl]

I hear from the social media that a cop in jail is a target

Yeah that's sad but there was a black prisoner that was literally stuck in an almost boiling hot shower for two hours and his skin fell off before he died. Google it, nobody even knows this happened because he's black and nobody cares. I doubt that will happen to Chauvin.

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/florida-wont-charge-prison-guards-who-boiled-schizophrenic-black-man-darren-rainey-to-death-9213190

[idunnosomename]

fucking hell the autopsy photos on the wikipedia page

will nancy thank him for his sacrifice? also im wrong. no consequences whatsoever for Speaker Pelosi and her stunningly tone-deaf eulogy. sorry to sound like a Trumper, but she is a fucking ghoul

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

.

[Mister Six]

So what happens where the police don't carry guns? 

Based on that footage, and assuming things went the same way minus the guns, the girl in pink would have been stabbed in the chest, possibly fatally, possibly multiple times, before the cop could drag the other girl to the ground and restrain her. That's in an ideal situation where the attacker doesn't hurt either herself or the cop with the knife in the process.

It's not an ideal situation, but that's the first time I've seen one of these videos and thought, "Okay, that one was justified."

[Pearly-Dewdrops Drops]

Seems like there would be lots of non-lethal ways to stop a person with a knife

[Buelligan]

Based on that footage, and assuming things went the same way minus the guns, the girl in pink would have been stabbed in the chest, possibly fatally, possibly multiple times, before the cop could drag the other girl to the ground and restrain her. That's in an ideal situation where the attacker doesn't hurt either herself or the cop with the knife in the process.

It's not an ideal situation, but that's the first time I've seen one of these videos and thought, "Okay, that one was justified."

What, because not having guns means they don't have tazers (for example)?

[Chedney Honks]

Seems like there would be lots of non-lethal ways to stop a person with a knife

Stab them in the legs.

[brat-sampson]

Seems like there would be lots of non-lethal ways to stop a person with a knife

Have they tried Magnets?

[JaDanketies]

prolly best for the BLM movement to distance themselves from this one tbh

[Zetetic]

"Black Lives Matter except for the ones that don't"?