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Bombay Bad Boy
« on: April 22, 2021, 10:12:27 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-56826645

India sets global record for new cases within 24 hours.

We need to get the vaccine out there pronto, it's totally fucked how it's been handled. I've not heard anything from my mate over there since before Christmas.

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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2021, 10:32:55 AM »
Horrendous... the video in that article is traumatizing to watch.

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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2021, 10:37:50 AM »
Its just like the flu basically.

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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2021, 11:12:35 AM »
Even I questioned the wisdom of Bang Face holding an event in Mumbai last month.

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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2021, 05:53:50 PM »
Well India is the world's biggest vaccine producer, but clearly not fast enough :-(

The awful situation in India also means Covax is buggered until India gets vaccinated, because the Serum Institute etc won't be exporting much for some time, and it is they who were going to produce 1 billion doses of the AZ vaccine for the developing world (why not 10 billion, but I digress?). So this is bad for India and for the world.

I really think more should have been invested in the manufacture of vaccines, as in an order of magnitude more.

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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2021, 07:05:28 PM »
Is the problem a lack of resources surrounding manufacture or people refusing to give away or licence their IP to people that could make it?

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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2021, 07:57:11 PM »
I think it's manufacturing resource that is the issue. AZ is running this as not for profit at low dose cost, and even Pfizer is offering to sell to India at cost. 'Just' need to ramp up production now.

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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2021, 10:16:44 PM »
The take-up rate is apparently much lower there. People have been pretty blase about it the last few months; low reported death rate, lots of talk about herd immunity etc. A general feeling that they were past the worst plus a greater suspicion about vaccines and interest in alternative medicine (just yesterday my Indian father-in-law forwarded a WhatsApp video about an ayurvedic 'steam cure') have combined to make people think it's not worth it. Have seen loads of videos of festivals and sports crowds the last few weeks and even Modi has been holding maskless political rallies. The infection rate had been creeping up and now it's exploded in a way that's genuinely terrifying. Horrible stories about overwhelmed hospitals and desperate people. Just hoping my in-laws stay sensible and come out the other side.


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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2021, 02:27:40 PM »
The take-up rate is apparently much lower there. People have been pretty blase about it the last few months; low reported death rate, lots of talk about herd immunity etc. A general feeling that they were past the worst plus a greater suspicion about vaccines and interest in alternative medicine (just yesterday my Indian father-in-law forwarded a WhatsApp video about an ayurvedic 'steam cure') have combined to make people think it's not worth it. Have seen loads of videos of festivals and sports crowds the last few weeks and even Modi has been holding maskless political rallies.The infection rate had been creeping up and now it's exploded in a way that's genuinely terrifying. Horrible stories about overwhelmed hospitals and desperate people. Just hoping my in-laws stay sensible and come out the other side.

I've been wondering why they seem to be peaking now rather than 10-18 months ago like most other places. Are the bits in bold along with a lack of vaccine the main reasons? Were people generally much more careful initially?

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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2021, 02:59:05 PM »
I don't know how scientific this is, but there was definitely a suggestion earlier on that Indians typically have more robust immune systems so the virus didn't spread as easily. I believe that the major change now is the 'Indian variant' which spreads more aggressively, particularly amongst young people who had been busily getting back to normal life. The fact that they had crowds in for the England test series over there is an indication of how complacent they'd got. I guess it was because of all this that the virus was able to brew and spit out this new aggressive strain.

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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2021, 05:00:47 PM »
I don't know how scientific this is, but there was definitely a suggestion earlier on that Indians typically have more robust immune systems so the virus didn't spread as easily. I believe that the major change now is the 'Indian variant' which spreads more aggressively, particularly amongst young people who had been busily getting back to normal life. The fact that they had crowds in for the England test series over there is an indication of how complacent they'd got. I guess it was because of all this that the virus was able to brew and spit out this new aggressive strain.

Ooof. Reading this is just the sort of thing that's liable to ruin my day.

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2021, 05:14:49 PM »
Just seen The Guardian have written a piece on this:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/29/we-are-not-special-how-triumphalism-led-india-to-covid-19-disaster

I'm not sure I understand all the implications. There seems to be a suggestion that the low death rate in the first wave was just bad reporting. But it's interesting that the countries who have managed this worse all seem to have similar issues with 'exceptionalism'.

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2021, 02:23:00 PM »
Just seen The Guardian have written a piece on this:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/29/we-are-not-special-how-triumphalism-led-india-to-covid-19-disaster

I'm not sure I understand all the implications. There seems to be a suggestion that the low death rate in the first wave was just bad reporting. But it's interesting that the countries who have managed this worse all seem to have similar issues with 'exceptionalism'.

I think if you spend much time looking every country in the world has some issue with exceptionalism.

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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2021, 06:14:15 PM »
I think if you spend much time looking every country in the world has some issue with exceptionalism.

Except us!

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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2021, 10:28:24 AM »
:)

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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2021, 12:20:18 PM »
Except us!

Yes, everyone from Boris Johnson to Michael Walker saying 'it's over...we won...we won the disease'. Pricks.

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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2021, 03:26:16 PM »
Situation getting horrendous down there. I am a remote process manager for a team in India and I found out today that one of my team is off as his mother is hospitalised. Really worried for them all.

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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2021, 11:04:48 PM »
Modi still refusing to lockdown. Amazing really. Is life that cheap to him? Not his obviously. That's gold-plated in a Rolls-Royce, with daily Covid testing a la Trump.

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