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Dated Casual Racism In Popular Music
« on: April 24, 2021, 04:49:46 AM »
What popular music might not pass muster in these days of cancellation?
I’m on a Bowie bender and re: China Girl, he puts on a cod Japanese accent in the Live At Glastonbury performance which would raise alarm bells these days I reckon.
Also in the video he does this.

Over to you.

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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2021, 05:29:57 AM »
Morrissey leaves thread quickly.

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2021, 05:57:07 AM »
What popular music might not pass muster in these days of cancellation?
I’m on a Bowie bender and re: China Girl, he puts on a cod Japanese accent in the Live At Glastonbury performance which would raise alarm bells these days I reckon.
Also in the video he does this.

Over to you.

On the Glastonbury recording doesn't he also do it as:

My little China girl says
"Mr David, just you shut your mouth"

Could have imagined this though.

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2021, 06:21:26 AM »
Sting's affected rasata-mon accent, and the coloured girls going do do doo (not really racism though, just goalposts have moved since then)

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2021, 07:29:33 AM »
Does use of the N word in Oliver’s Army and Holiday In Cambodia count?

Also: Dreadlock Holiday is a bit fucking rum, innit?

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2021, 07:34:52 AM »
Walk Like An Egyptian started to date quite badly once the news stories about street vendors self-immolating emerged in the Arab Spring, yet weirdly remained intact throughout the Mubarak regime. Funny cultural parallel.

Then just when you're thinking they're going to stop they have a pop at the Japanese and Chinese

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All the Japanese with their yen
The party boys call the Kremlin
And the Chinese know (oh whey oh)

You Japanese with your yen n that




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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2021, 08:06:37 AM »
Stolen yen. Japanese have criminals gangs too

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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2021, 09:38:47 AM »
I got a doctor! To take a picture! So I can look at you from inside as well!

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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2021, 09:49:27 AM »
Well that’s more medical malpractice isn’t it

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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2021, 10:02:50 AM »
The 1998 world cup official song, Carnival de Paris, uses a different instrument for each competing nation.

Japan?



and a gong

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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2021, 10:13:16 AM »
On the Glastonbury recording doesn't he also do it as:

My little China girl says
"Mr David, just you shut your mouth"

Could have imagined this though.

The BBC footage cuts to a happy smiling Japanese, or possibly Korean, looking woman when he does that line.

https://youtu.be/lBNBTmlvNio?list=PLkXR7g3EdPC_YlKw7Zm0IzRsu02hvlXxA&t=182

NOT A RACIST.


Bonus racism.




Oh, and 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd5ztTz1564


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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2021, 10:15:29 AM »
Quote from: Lou Reed
And the colored girls say
"Doo do doo do doo do do doo..."

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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2021, 11:48:22 AM »
Ray Davies' weird accent in Apeman. Actually, whatever the hell the singer's accent is in Look Out There's a Monster Coming as well.

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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2021, 11:53:53 AM »
As I've mentioned before, although you're right about Look Out There's A Monster Coming, it will always be one of my favourite ever songs for

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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2021, 01:12:41 PM »
I always thought Jamie T was a bit off.

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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2021, 02:25:33 PM »
Does use of the N word in Oliver’s Army and Holiday In Cambodia count?

Also: Dreadlock Holiday is a bit fucking rum, innit?

Ha! Try Oh Effendi, or even worse, Hotel

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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2021, 02:26:46 PM »
Does use of the N word in Oliver’s Army and Holiday In Cambodia count?

I might be on my own here, but the pay off to that line in Holiday in Cambodia - '... and the slums got so much soul' wouldn't have remotely the same impact without the offending line preceding it. Perfectly skewers the dogmatic bullshit of non-intersectional leftist posturing, in my opinion, which was the point of the song.[1]

Elvis Costello using it to draw parallels between British colonialism and the Troubles - blunt and unwieldy, but it's hard to argue that it wasn't coming from a place of good intentions (rather than, you know, drunkenly ranting about Ray Charles in a bar to try and get in a fight with Stephen Stills).

In the same milieu:

The Avengers - White N..... - the sentiments I understand - 'don't be a wage slave'; the delivery method - eh, not so much.

Patti Smith - Rock'n'roll N.... - gave us the lyric 'Outside of society, is where I want to be', which I love BUT ...

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Smith discussed the song with a reporter from Rolling Stone.

Reporter: The other day you said that if anyone was qualified to be a n*****, it was Mick Jagger. How is Mick Jagger qualified to be a n*****?
Smith: On our liner notes I redefined the word n***** as being an artist-mutant that was going beyond gender.
Reporter: I didn't understand how Mick Jagger has suffered like anyone who grew up in Harlem.
Smith: Suffering don't make you a n*****. I mean, I grew up poor too. Stylistically, I believe he qualifies. I think Mick Jagger has suffered plenty. He also has a great heart, and I believe, ya know, even in his most cynical moments, a great love for his children. He's got a lot of soul. I mean, like, I don't understand the question. Ya think black people are better than white people or sumpthin'? I was raised with black people. It's like, I can walk down the street and say to a kid, “Hey n*****.” I don't have any kind of super-respect or fear of that kind of stuff. When I say statements like that, they're not supposed to be analyzed, 'cause they're more like off-the-cuff humorous statements. I do have a sense of humor, ya know, which is sumpthin' that most people completely wash over when they deal with me. I never read anything where anybody talked about my sense of humor. It's like, a lot of the stuff I say is true, but it's supposed to be funny.

Patti Smith is a fucking idiot.
 1. Far worse is the line 'Don't forget to pack your wife' because it's just crap - must try harder, Jello

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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2021, 02:44:18 PM »
I do agree with you about Holiday In Cambodia, but it'd still seem a bit weird hearing him singing it now.

What the fuck is Patti Smith on about? That's painful.

Look I redefined the word n***** to mean it applies to rich white men who grew up in Dartford okay? Jeez.

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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2021, 02:52:33 PM »

No Vaseline by Ice Cube includes the lines "'Cause you let a Jew break up my crew" and "'Cause you can't be the Nigga 4 Life crew, With a white jew telling you what to do".

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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2021, 02:59:43 PM »
No Vaseline by Ice Cube includes the lines "'Cause you let a Jew break up my crew" and "'Cause you can't be the Nigga 4 Life crew, With a white jew telling you what to do".

That's Jerry Heller innit.

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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2021, 03:00:58 PM »
That Smith stuff never made any sense. Although the stuff she said about Jagger thinking/wanting to be black is very similar to things PP Arnold has said about him, although not in some mental justification of using the N-word obvs.

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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2021, 03:14:52 PM »
Alison Moyet using the N word on Rise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhmH-xD_nq4

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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2021, 03:20:45 PM »
Variations of Queen's "No Synths Were Used In The Making Of This Record" boast appearing during times when rocks radio dominance was threatened by trends like funk, disco, hiphop, etc. Taking pride in no drum machines.

Anything to do with "proper" rock and roll in the 1990s. Cast's single meant to sound "like the Kia-Ora advert" while being Noel Rock.


Perfectly skewers the dogmatic bullshit of non-intersectional leftist posturing, in my opinion, which was the point of the song.

From California in the late 70s and aimed at campuses, it was probably intended as the opposite of that.

I guess "Riot" is probably worse these days. A punk rewrite of Zappa's "Trouble Every Day"

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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2021, 03:35:14 PM »
For all the hagiographizing, it's often forgotten that those NYC scene people from the 60s-70s were the absolute dumbest people in the world.

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« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2021, 03:42:28 PM »
Variations of Queen's "No Synths Were Used In The Making Of This Record" boast appearing during times when rocks radio dominance was threatened by trends like funk, disco, hiphop, etc. Taking pride in no drum machines.


Did Queen do that as well? I was aware Collins put "No Fairlight was used in the making of this record" probably as a jibe to Peter Gabriel.

Disco Demolition Night was so depressing in a very stupid way.

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« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2021, 03:53:09 PM »
I was listening to DEVO's Hardcore Vol. 2 earlier, you can add the song Bamboo Bimbo to the list!

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« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2021, 03:54:43 PM »
Queen started it. Very iffy band in a lot of ways whose rep is cleaned up for Gen Z because Freddie turned out to be a gent and isn't around to complain that he can't use his favourite unacceptable words anymore.

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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2021, 03:55:35 PM »
Here's another good one, Black Messiah by The Kinks. Probably well-intentioned but fucking hell Ray.

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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2021, 03:57:29 PM »
New York Dolls covering "Stranded In The Jungle" and deliberately making it worse than the original

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