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'Blue' Comedy, specifically 70s Britain

Started by Dr Rock, April 27, 2021, 09:13:39 AM

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PeterCornelius

He's lucky he wasn't in Liverpool when he said it.

Jockice

Quote from: PeterCornelius on May 01, 2021, 12:19:15 PM
He's lucky he wasn't in Liverpool when he said it.

Very much so. But I've never been able to find out exactly what he said, or indeed if he said anything about it at all. Could just be a rumour (i'm not even sure anyone even mentioned it to me on the night or I was told in the days afterwards) and to be frank, the local newspaper I worked for at the time had much bigger stories to deal with than a deliberately offensive comedian allegedly making a deliberately offensive remark.

Gurke and Hare

Isn't there some story about Brown starting a gig in Middlesbrough with "Surprised there are so many of you here, I thought you'd be at home fucking the kids"? Which he may have got away with because a) He's from there himself and b) Chubby Brown fans.

notjosh

Quote from: PeterCornelius on May 01, 2021, 10:22:18 AM
Slightly off-topic m but the mention of Bradford reminds me of a story about Roy 'Chubby' Brown. He did a show in Bradford in 1985, after the fire at Bradford FC. He comes on stage, first words out of his mouth: "Why didn't you invite me to your barbecue?" Unsurprisingly, the gig ended there and he had to be escorted from the venue.

Reminds me of Caroline Aherne's (much better) line to Bernard Manning.

"I did go to your comedy club once, and I tell you, I laughed and I laughed and I laughed and I laughed. It was the night it burnt down."

RHX

Quote from: Gurke and Hare on May 01, 2021, 01:27:29 PM
Isn't there some story about Brown starting a gig in Middlesbrough with "Surprised there are so many of you here, I thought you'd be at home fucking the kids"? Which he may have got away with because a) He's from there himself and b) Chubby Brown fans.

There's also the story about him starting a gig at some Christian venue by pointing at Jesus up on the cross and saying "I see you caught the cunt who nicked the video".

Glebe

Manning was on once of those 'story of entertainment' docs some years back and he was talking about not been allowed on telly anymore, and he said something like "You're about £4 million too late." Which he apparently cadged off Max Miller, I think, who said something similar when asked about not being on telly or something. Could Google for more accurate info but not arsed at the mo, I'm sure somebody else can shed a bit of light on this.

Video Game Fan 2000

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Quote from: RHX on May 01, 2021, 07:28:20 PM
There's also the story about him starting a gig at some Christian venue by pointing at Jesus up on the cross and saying "I see you caught the cunt who nicked the video".

Definitely heard this variant. Chubby was a thing at school and any mention or reference to him was obviously banned, even mention of his name, and this story (as opposed to the content of his act) was supposedly the reason why. Didn't 'appen.

P depressing thinking how big a bonding thing Chubby Brown was between lads and their dads growing up. Being snuck into a Chubby gig underage was a big coming of age event for a lot of kids I knew. All that fuss for such absolute shite. Thank God my illicit comedy hand-me-downs were Peter Cook and Blazing Saddles, it all could have gone horrible wrong.

Video Game Fan 2000

I wasn't even allowed to watch Bullseye when I was very young because Jim Bowen was a blue comic. I had to switch it off after the animation.

PeterCornelius

Quote from: Glebe on May 01, 2021, 08:50:01 PM
Manning was on once of those 'story of entertainment' docs some years back and he was talking about not been allowed on telly anymore, and he said something like "You're about £4 million too late." Which he apparently cadged off Max Miller, I think, who said something similar when asked about not being on telly or something. Could Google for more accurate info but not arsed at the mo, I'm sure somebody else can shed a bit of light on this.

The Max Miller story went something like this. Max was booked on a series of shows on the Moss Empire circuit in the 40s. The act on before him overran considerably, which enraged Max because he always made sure to get the train to his home in Brighton after a performance - probably because he was too mean to book a hotel. When he finally got on stage, he knew he'd missed the train and refused to curtail his act. When he finished, Val Parnell, MD of Moss Empires, stormed into his dressing room, and said "You'll never work in any of my theatres again!" But the contracts had already been signed, which is why Max replied, "You're about sixty thousand quid too late!"

PeterCornelius

Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 02, 2021, 02:15:29 AM
Definitely heard this variant. Chubby was a thing at school and any mention or reference to him was obviously banned, even mention of his name, and this story (as opposed to the content of his act) was supposedly the reason why. Didn't 'appen.

P depressing thinking how big a bonding thing Chubby Brown was between lads and their dads growing up. Being snuck into a Chubby gig underage was a big coming of age event for a lot of kids I knew. All that fuss for such absolute shite. Thank God my illicit comedy hand-me-downs were Peter Cook and Blazing Saddles, it all could have gone horrible wrong.

I'm imagining this alternative reality where the organisers of a Christian event suddenly decide, "Let's book Chubby Brown for the harvest festival!"

Glebe

Quote from: PeterCornelius on May 02, 2021, 10:25:51 AMThe Max Miller story went something like this. Max was booked on a series of shows on the Moss Empire circuit in the 40s. The act on before him overran considerably, which enraged Max because he always made sure to get the train to his home in Brighton after a performance - probably because he was too mean to book a hotel. When he finally got on stage, he knew he'd missed the train and refused to curtail his act. When he finished, Val Parnell, MD of Moss Empires, stormed into his dressing room, and said "You'll never work in any of my theatres again!" But the contracts had already been signed, which is why Max replied, "You're about sixty thousand quid too late!"

Cheers for that PC!

kalowski

Quote from: Satchmo Distel on April 29, 2021, 09:37:38 AM
Reid (1992) does plenty of effing but the sexual jokes are not predominant, just the occasional one. There's a racist section on Bradford that he'd probably being doing since the 70s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcFJAoTVbxQ
Christ, that's so bad. This, ladies and gentlemen, is entertainment.

Fambo Number Mive

From the Youtube comments

Quotemet mike , and had to go to the loo, didn't want to get up as he  would pick on you for getting up , so i was the joke , boy did he give  hard time , what a fantastic comic , the best RIP

Just imagining all these bigoted white people laughing at racist jokes with wet underpants as they didn't want to get up for the toilet in case Mike Reid had a pop at them.

Quote from: kalowski on May 02, 2021, 11:19:51 AM
Christ, that's so bad. This, ladies and gentlemen, is entertainment.

Glasses are cool AF though.

Video Game Fan 2000

Quote from: PeterCornelius on May 02, 2021, 10:29:32 AM
I'm imagining this alternative reality where the organisers of a Christian event suddenly decide, "Let's book Chubby Brown for the harvest festival!"

Yeah, its tickles me thinking that if it did happen it would have been for something like a First Holy Communion night and in one of those Church halls where the only seats are donated sofas and arm chairs lined up against the walls. Someone loudly praying in Latin because Vatican Council II didn't sit right with them but sure enough they've turned out for a bit of the Chubs. They're gonna be livid when he walks out, catches sight of the giant crucifix directly behind him and drops his line.

Gulftastic

Quote from: RHX on May 01, 2021, 07:28:20 PM
There's also the story about him starting a gig at some Christian venue by pointing at Jesus up on the cross and saying "I see you caught the cunt who nicked the video".

That was the tale that went round our playground too.

Mr Banlon

Quote from: Better Midlands on May 02, 2021, 01:24:18 PM
 

Glasses are cool AF though.
Cazal frames. Popular with 80s Hip Hop artists and cockney villains from the 70s. DMC from Run DMC used to wear them. The photobook 'Back In The Days' documenting the early fashions of Hip Hop in NYC has plenty of photos of young B-Boys wearing Cazals. Reid also wore a different pair of Cazals in Snatch.
They're made in Germany and are about £500 a pair new. Jay Z sometimes wears them. (As did Larry David's dad in Curb)

Mr Banlon

Ivor Biggun. Doc Cox's alter-alter-ego was a popular bit of blue in the 70s.

Quote from: Mr Banlon on May 02, 2021, 05:36:32 PM
Cazal frames. Popular with 80s Hip Hop artists and cockney villains from the 70s. DMC from Run DMC used to wear them. The photobook 'Back In The Days' documenting the early fashions of Hip Hop in NYC has plenty of photos of young B-Boys wearing Cazals. Reid also wore a different pair of Cazals in Snatch.
They're made in Germany and are about £500 a pair new. Jay Z sometimes wears them. (As did Larry David's dad in Curb)

I liked their's too, I didn't realise they were all the same brand - thanks for the info.

Kankurette

Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 02, 2021, 02:15:29 AM
Definitely heard this variant. Chubby was a thing at school and any mention or reference to him was obviously banned, even mention of his name, and this story (as opposed to the content of his act) was supposedly the reason why. Didn't 'appen.

P depressing thinking how big a bonding thing Chubby Brown was between lads and their dads growing up. Being snuck into a Chubby gig underage was a big coming of age event for a lot of kids I knew. All that fuss for such absolute shite. Thank God my illicit comedy hand-me-downs were Peter Cook and Blazing Saddles, it all could have gone horrible wrong.
I went on a work experience scheme in Germany with a load of sixth formers from other schools and our coach driver put a Chubby Brown video on. It was as funny as being run over by a bus.

non capisco

Quote from: Satchmo Distel on April 29, 2021, 09:37:38 AM
Reid (1992) does plenty of effing but the sexual jokes are not predominant, just the occasional one. There's a racist section on Bradford that he'd probably being doing since the 70s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcFJAoTVbxQ

He also does a Jim Davidson as Chalky White type "black man" voice at one point. It keeps cutting to delighted reaction shots from Eastenders cast members in the audience. I didn't make it through the whole thing so correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt the actors who played Paul Trueman and Sanjay were invited.

Video Game Fan 2000

Quote from: Kankurette on May 02, 2021, 07:03:25 PM
I went on a work experience scheme in Germany with a load of sixth formers from other schools and our coach driver put a Chubby Brown video on. It was as funny as being run over by a bus.

Lucky for you it wasn't UFO.

Glebe

There seemed to be a trend during the '90s (with lad culture and 'comedy is the new rock 'n' roll' and all that shite) for has-been comedians to release 15/18 rated 'live and uncensored' videos. Remember Frank Carson being interviewed and complaining about a show of his being put on that he regreted and finding the video cover offensive and that.

Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 02, 2021, 10:39:43 PMLucky for you it wasn't UFO.

I've not seen that, but I know Roger Lloyd Pack is in it. Imagine he just bit his lip and thought, "do it for the pay check".


Non Stop Dancer

Quote from: Mr Banlon on May 02, 2021, 05:36:32 PM
Cazal frames. Popular with 80s Hip Hop artists and cockney villains from the 70s. DMC from Run DMC used to wear them. The photobook 'Back In The Days' documenting the early fashions of Hip Hop in NYC has plenty of photos of young B-Boys wearing Cazals. Reid also wore a different pair of Cazals in Snatch.
They're made in Germany and are about £500 a pair new. Jay Z sometimes wears them. (As did Larry David's dad in Curb)

Remember when you went and got the dark blue Ballys?
I had all the different color Cazals and Gazelles

Video Game Fan 2000

Quote from: Glebe on May 02, 2021, 11:08:57 PM
There seemed to be a trend during the '90s (with lad culture and 'comedy is the new rock 'n' roll' and all that shite) for has-been comedians to release 15/18 rated 'live and uncensored' videos. Remember Frank Carson being interviewed and complaining about a show of his being put on that he regreted and finding the video cover offensive and that.

Those Freddie Star tapes are basically the "What if Little and Large did blue" scenarios being talked about in the L&L thread. Ooohhh Betty but with a nazi armband.

I heard a Mike Reid tape once (in a taxi) where he's telling a regular joke, stops himself halfway through a line, mumbles something and then does the same joke from the top with a few FUCKINGs and SHITs thrown in. Imagine thats a little peak of how the sausage is made for 90s live and uncensored videos.

PeterCornelius

Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on May 02, 2021, 01:54:21 PM
Yeah, its tickles me thinking that if it did happen it would have been for something like a First Holy Communion night and in one of those Church halls where the only seats are donated sofas and arm chairs lined up against the walls. Someone loudly praying in Latin because Vatican Council II didn't sit right with them but sure enough they've turned out for a bit of the Chubs. They're gonna be livid when he walks out, catches sight of the giant crucifix directly behind him and drops his line.

Love your work there VGF!

Gurke and Hare

Quote from: Glebe on May 02, 2021, 11:08:57 PM
There seemed to be a trend during the '90s (with lad culture and 'comedy is the new rock 'n' roll' and all that shite) for has-been comedians to release 15/18 rated 'live and uncensored' videos.

Nothing more tragic than a 15 rated "uncensored" video.

MoreauVasz

Christ... That Monkhouse footage is unheimlich. The king of gameshow smarm singing a song about getting a hand job in the shower.

It's interesting how ossified the form became. I think the meat of the jokes are confessional, Foxx's Wash Your Ass is a great bit about a side of sex and relationships that really doesn't get a huge amount of attention even in an age where people write articles about meeting their long-lost dad only to find themselves sucking him off. The energy and relevance of that kind of material remains constant and universal but sever the connection to your own lived experience and it just decays into stereotypes.

Brundle-Fly

Did anybody see that BBC programme, Some People With Jokes ? It's just various members of the middle-aged public telling old style jokes into camera. They mostly have flat delivery, little timing and zero screen presence. It's not like we don't have enough actual new comedians to spare out there. Some of the jokes were quite blue (but not in a Mrs. Brown's Boys way) which surprised me for the Beeb in 2021.

lebowskibukowski

Quote from: Brundle-Fly on May 05, 2021, 10:30:04 AM
Did anybody see that BBC programme, Some People With Jokes ? It's just various members of the middle-aged public telling old style jokes into camera. They mostly have flat delivery, little timing and zero screen presence.

My wife was on one of those and, yes, it was fucking awful.