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OnlyFans and horses work.
« on: April 30, 2021, 05:50:51 PM »
    Saw this screenshot of a reddit ad:



Now I don't want to shock you into having a full on heart attack. But I don't think this ad is completely sirfollowing. In fact.... I think it might even be the opposite.

From here:
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OnlyFans Statistics – Users, Revenue and Usage Stats:
1. 1M+ Content Creators on OnlyFans
2. 7,000 – 8,000 New Content Creators Per Day
3. 50 Million Registered Users
4. 500,000 New Users Per Day | +- 15 Million New users Per Month!
5. OnlyFans Takes a 20% Cut on its Users' Transactions
6. Average Earnings from OnlyFans is $180/month
7. Top 1% of Accounts Make 33% of the Money
8. Most Accounts Take Home Less Than $145 Per Month
9. Bella Thorne Earned More Than $1 Million in Her First 24 Hours
10. $100 Cap on Paid Private Messages[/li][/list]


Women being exploited on the internet is sadly business as normal, but there's an extra insidious side to OnlyFans. Or I should say, the discourse around it. Maintaining an Onlyfans account where you sell naked pictures of yourself on the internet has been classified as sex work, and it has been kind of lumped in with all other types of sex work, a term which now encompasses everything from writing erotic literature to full-on street-walking prostitution.

So now, things being as they are in the year of our lord 2021, people are classed as being either Sex Worker Inclusive in their feminism or Sex Worker Exclusive (Swerf). There can be no inbetween. The people associated with OnlyFans (both people actually working for the company and big-name accounts on there that benefit either indirectly from an increased pool of users or directly in the form of referral bonuses) have cleverely maneouvered the discourse around OnlyFans style nude selling to be about whether individual people should be shamed for engaging in sex work, or whether women should be able to profit off their bodies (conveniently forgetting the slice OF takes). To the point that a mainstream website is now pretty much directly targeting teenagers, encouraging them to sell pictures of themselves with a silicone grogu up their bum for less than a hundred quid a month and it's basically accepted as a GOOD THING.

I can't tell, am I being a big fussy old puritan for finding the website sleazy?

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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2021, 05:52:41 PM »
Damn, a twenty page thread about Swerfs? Just want to remind everyone about the dog that ate toddler shit before you get going.

Hope there will be no class reductionism in this thread about a thread containing that "kiss ramen goodbye" ad.

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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2021, 05:59:32 PM »
20% cut seems ridiculous for just a platform to stick your nudes on.

There was a thread on here about it all last year. I mainly want to highlight this so I can repost my re-write of the OFAH theme tune.

Stick a pony in me PayPal
I'll fetch the videos from the LAN
Cause if you want the best nudes
And you don't want ad interludes
Then brother I'm your solo woman

What you all cum for
Is the nudity
It's like the changing of the tiers
And the higher fee
But heres the one thats driving me to sex work
Why do only fans and horses jerk
La la lala - la la la la la

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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2021, 06:03:33 PM »
They're broken sex work discourses.

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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2021, 06:07:30 PM »
20% cut seems ridiculous for just a platform to stick your nudes on.

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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2021, 06:07:47 PM »
Ramen noodles are basically Super Noodles, right?

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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2021, 06:25:21 PM »
I don't want to act like exploitative sex work isn't  an issue because it very fucking is, but the root causes of it extrapolate to general and much larger issues with our current society and capitalist framework. Especially OF targeting people w/ anxiety and other issues that make more public-facing work unbearable. It sadly is a symptom rather than a cause of social problems. Nothing against sex work, I write ero lit and have done ero art on commission to pay the bills before, but I was fortunate enough to have the choice. A lot of these people don't. A lot of them would be working a brothel 100-50 years ago. Is it better now? Dunno. It isn't a simple question. It is however an ongoing problem brought about by a lack of UBI, in my opinion.

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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2021, 06:43:26 PM »
Most earn less than $145/month?!

Damn. You can make that doing online surveys if you can be bothered.

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2021, 06:59:55 PM »
Is it really that difficult to not be in favour of the business model of a place like OnlyFans but be supportive of sex workers?

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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2021, 07:13:25 PM »
I think one of the main problems is the discourse around sex and sex work is shite;

It's sleazy; yeah so what some men and women like sleazy things they can absolutely still be wonderfully brilliant people that are caring compassionate outside of their sexual desires (I'm not sure why SWERFs are desperate to retreat back to the 1950s); it's just grim that some puritanical largely conservative feminism feels it can expand serious issues around exploitation into shaming sex workers etc...

Exploitation is wrong; and that means exploitation of sex workers and exploitation of customers; the point should always be to reduce exploitation and protect individuals (I'd say stop and it sounds more powerful but realistically it is an impossible task; like removing all crime - you can massively reduce it though if people bothered); it would seem to do this you would actually have to listen to sex workers and their demands rather than telling them (or thinking it but not daring to say it) that they are all whores.  You've then also got to deal with the exploitation and abuses of customers[1]; which is difficult with some of these reductionist views on gender as "how could the ickle lady be a bad person trying get more money out of people with learning disabilities or lonely men on the internet; someone (a man) must have tricked her into doing it".

TL:DR just concentrate on keeping people safe rather than banning things ffs; it literally doesn't work and ends up putting more people (women mainly) in danger.
 1. which is particularly relevant to OnlyFans
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2021, 09:15:36 PM »
Is “sirfollowing” a typo?

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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2021, 09:29:06 PM »
You've then also got to deal with the exploitation and abuses of customers[1]; which is difficult with some of these reductionist views on gender as "how could the ickle lady be a bad person trying get more money out of people with learning disabilities or lonely men on the internet; someone (a man) must have tricked her into doing it".
 1. which is particularly relevant to OnlyFans

We’ve already seen this first hand with that lass who found herself in the phwoar thread. It’s a common grift; “these men are being mean to me, I’m so upset”, cue an army of white knighting “boyfriends” who’ll defend her honour and drop big cash to show their support/love.

This isn’t defending the behaviour in the phwoar thread, by the way, just pointing out the grift.

It’s a shame because the Onlyfans concept is about as fair as porn/glamour modelling possibly can be. The model does everything on their terms and the punters can chip in what they feel is fair. But that, sadly, won’t make you a proper living, nor will it necessarily give the punters what they really want, so back we come to exploitation and abuse. Models ending up doing things they aren’t comfortable with just to stop the punters getting bored and drifting away, or promising things they aren’t going to deliver and stringing punters along hoping that they’ll cling on as the holy grail is always just around the corner. Each side just chipping away at the other, nobody truly happy with what they are providing and receiving. The end result is burnout and bitterness on both sides, Onlyfans making out like bandits. Sex work democratised, but the pimp still the overwhelming winner.

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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2021, 09:39:43 PM »
We’ve already seen this first hand with that lass who found herself in the phwoar thread. It’s a common grift; “these men are being mean to me, I’m so upset”, cue an army of white knighting “boyfriends” who’ll defend her honour and drop big cash to show their support/love.

I don’t think we can accurately say much more than that a woman’s picture was posted here, and that that same woman tweeted about it.

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2021, 09:49:09 PM »
The first paragraph made me think "fucking hell"

The second one does give me pause for thought though, not sure I agree with it entirely and it's very bleak, will need to let it churn a bit in my head.

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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2021, 09:56:39 PM »
I have my opinions on this topic, but fundamentally, to me, sex is not something I am entirely "positive" about. So my opinion should be instantly disregarded.

If I conceive of sex itself as something I have a relationship with, I would not describe that relationship as "fun". I try to have a healthy relationship with it, but there's history.

It tormented me in my teenage years for my inadequacies, it hounded me relentlessly in my early twenties to endless distraction, and it's still a source of anxiety for me these days, within a loving relationship of many years.

I envy sex positive people. Maybe I should be more like them. But it's an area where I basically know enough to get by. Wow that couldn't have come out worse. Fuckitpost

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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2021, 10:36:43 PM »
I don’t think we can accurately say much more than that a woman’s picture was posted here, and that that same woman tweeted about it.

It’s a common tactic, usually playing out on Reddit because you have both the bad guys and white knights posting in the same place, plus an audience of neutrals you can potentially convert into paying customers amidst the drama. There are some girls with entire fan subreddits devoted to them that they join in with and stir up for drama to drive engagement.

I have my opinions on this topic, but fundamentally, to me, sex is not something I am entirely "positive" about. So my opinion should be instantly disregarded.

If I conceive of sex itself as something I have a relationship with, I would not describe that relationship as "fun". I try to have a healthy relationship with it, but there's history.

It tormented me in my teenage years for my inadequacies, it hounded me relentlessly in my early twenties to endless distraction, and it's still a source of anxiety for me these days, within a loving relationship of many years.

I envy sex positive people. Maybe I should be more like them. But it's an area where I basically know enough to get by. Wow that couldn't have come out worse. Fuckitpost

No, that’s an entirely reasonable place to come from because our capitalist society tries to push an unrealistic ideal for sex just like it does absolutely everything else in life in the hope that you’ll want to spend money to fix it and that will affect some people in a very fundamental way.

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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2021, 10:50:55 PM »
I don't think being sex positive necessarily means being porn positive. Even the supposedly empowering practice of women having pseudo relationships with men online in order to make money out of them.

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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2021, 10:54:28 PM »
Not a huge fan and I'd never use the service, and possibly think it could lead to problems, but if women have value in their pictures and men want to pay for them whatever. Seems alright.

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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2021, 11:10:23 PM »
It’s a common tactic, usually playing out on Reddit because you have both the bad guys and white knights posting in the same place, plus an audience of neutrals you can potentially convert into paying customers amidst the drama. There are some girls with entire fan subreddits devoted to them that they join in with and stir up for drama to drive engagement.


I don't want to sound like a cunt, but I will. How do you know this stuff? It's like another world.

Sebastian Cobb

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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2021, 11:15:38 PM »
It’s a common tactic, usually playing out on Reddit because you have both the bad guys and white knights posting in the same place, plus an audience of neutrals you can potentially convert into paying customers amidst the drama. There are some girls with entire fan subreddits devoted to them that they join in with and stir up for drama to drive engagement.

No, that’s an entirely reasonable place to come from because our capitalist society tries to push an unrealistic ideal for sex just like it does absolutely everything else in life in the hope that you’ll want to spend money to fix it and that will affect some people in a very fundamental way.

I reckon Occam's razor might apply and she found the stuff on here and didn't like it much.

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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2021, 11:28:00 PM »
I don't want to sound like a cunt, but I will. How do you know this stuff? It's like another world.

Followed a guy called The Hell Dude on Twitter who ran a legal podcast called Mic Dicta and one of his co-stars was following and retweeting some of these girls who have Onlyfans and was genuinely fascinated by the dramas that surrounded it all.

I reckon Occam's razor might apply and she found the stuff on here and didn't like it much.

Maybe. I’ve just seen it all before.

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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2021, 11:29:49 PM »
I don't want to sound like a cunt, but I will. How do you know this stuff? It's like another world.

It's surprisingly mainstream, you see it playing out everywhere now (Instagram/Snapchat/Twitter/Twitch etc) - any engagement and @mentions (good and bad) drive people to your main hustle and are usually encouraged.

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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2021, 11:45:17 PM »
I still don't understand influencers tbh. I get really what it means is brands give stuff to people to be seen with so other people buy it. And that instead of that person being, I dunno Ben Kingsley, it's someone presenting themselves as* living a lavish life like Ben Kingsley instead, without doing any of the films and that.

*the private jet they took is probably just a photographic studio.

This only works if people accept it but why do people accept it?

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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2021, 12:11:41 AM »
I reckon Occam's razor might apply and she found the stuff on here and didn't like it much.

If people had actually listened to what Blue Jam was saying rather than jumping on the pearly clutching bandwagon; she was pointing out that this person had a whole gift list and was posting pictures alongside it presumably to get followers to buy her the things.  This being even more dodgy as not even in the format of Onlyfans.  Blue Jam never said that it was ok people used her pictures here; she was pointing out there was something else going on over there on Twitter that was worth paying attention to.

Occams Razor might have two blades in this particular scenario.

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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2021, 12:19:52 AM »
I think you're crossing wires that don't need to be crossed here.

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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2021, 12:29:13 AM »
I think you're crossing wires that don't need to be crossed here.

Not really but I really don't think all this is worth bringing up again.  I don't know either I was just more paying attention to what was being said rather than what people seemed to want to have been said.

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The problem of course is that this is less about pictures or whatever of an individual it is the gamification and faux intimacy that is problematic (without some checks and balances); it's like marrying the medium of gambling with the hucksterism of life coaches and diet influencers.  The whole point of it beyond standard grot is so that it personalises and "connects" with consumers but how it connects (just like gambling etc..) is where the problem lies; not in people getting their kit off.  Where is the considerations about those impulsive vulnerable people that spend money they haven't got on getting to the "next level" with their fake girlfriend or boyfriend.

There is that thing isn't there where older lonely women are targeted by these dashing men in other countries who sell them romance and the idea that one day they will be together; obviously there is clear deception there but we are in some cases in the same ballpark.  It needs to viewed through the eyes of how gambling and other addictive endeavours that have problematic consequences might be considered - you know like limits and code of conducts that are being brought into gambling industry now.

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« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2021, 12:33:29 AM »
Occams Razor might have two blades in this particular scenario.

Gillette's has three, so Occam had better up his game.

Sebastian Cobb

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« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2021, 12:40:38 AM »
Not really but I really don't think all this is worth bringing up again. 

So why did you? I responded to a post made this evening, and said "perhaps the simplest explanation is the best". You decided to connect it to a past heated discussion.

A discussion I didn't even get involved in, I must add.

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« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2021, 12:46:53 AM »
So why did you? I responded to a post made this evening, and said "perhaps the simplest explanation is the best". You decided to connect it to a past heated discussion.

Why did I? Because you casually dismissed what Huxley Babbins was saying (twice?) and said something about Occam's Razor implying maybe the simplest i.e. your assumption is the best and I thought that was, well dismissive.  I then just replied in brief to a further dismissive comment about me having my wires crossed.  No wires were crossed I was just stating how I saw that situation play out in front of my own eyes as it was relevant to what Huxley was saying.

Why are you, after me just moving things on, focusing on that bit when I took us back to the original thread topic?

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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2021, 01:03:52 AM »
My post was quite dismissive because I found Huxley's post quite speculative.

I don't think it was right to rake up the past on this given it was quite contentious, and I didn't get involved in it.

But yes I don't want to cause any more aggro. Goodnight and all that.

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