Labour Party - We are not the party of people on benefits

[pancreas]

I believe they do, yes. They certainly asked Starmer to go on. JVL would field someone in a heartbeat.

[Buelligan]

I know you're not dunking on Michael, what on earth is the problem that people have with him?

While personally I identify more with the bullish Aaron, I wouldn't want him to host the show - Michael is a great host and holds it all together. I don't think Ash or Aaron could sustain it like he does.

Don't have a problem with him but do think he's just not very intellectually robust.  And that's fine but sometimes he asserts stuff as if there can only be one explanation, even when he's not sure how to pronounce the words he's using to make that assertion.  I still like him.  I used to think this behaviour was just a ploy, to present the listener with several viewpoints, make stuff more inclusive (a good thing) but now I sometimes wonder if it's because he's a Labrador and fetching the slipper worked last time.

Also, he has a terrible way of asking someone, really notice it with Moya and Dalia, a question, they give a long answer and he just says Mmm in a way that implies he didn't listen after the first five seconds and what was said was dubious and probably balls.  He does it quite a bit.  I'd prefer, if he does think something's too long winded or wrong or bollocks, he'd interrupt and question it or do something to get the discussion moving in a better way.  Still like him, mind.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

going for the "DO YOU REMEMBER WOOLWORTHS PICK N MIX?!??" angle on the campaigning, I see

https://twitter.com/kimleadbeater/status/1402250777452847109

The way they have planted the key words that a focus group have told them is important is so transparently conceited it rather undermined the so-called personal touch.

[Buelligan]

Also what is the personal touch?  It's been around for an awfully long time, people like Cyril Smith appeared to have it.  If it's such a great thing, how is it manifest?  What does it tell us about minty-breathed surgical glove-wearers like Keith?

[BlodwynPig]

Amongst other things, they do all need to be judged by their response to the 'antisemitism crisis'. On that count Walker fails very badly, Bastani not so much, Sarkar somewhere in the middle. But they all failed. The left needed these people to stick their necks out and apply some basic scientific rigour to that episode, but they didn't. You will notice that no-one from JVL has ever been asked onto Novara Media.

That was the turning point.

[Johnny Yesno]

You will notice that no-one from JVL has ever been asked onto Novara Media.

No, I will not notice that no one from JVL has ever been asked onto Novara Media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2pWVam6Hs0

[Johnny Yesno]

That was the turning point.

This is why I absolutely don't trust your judgement.

[idunnosomename]

Vote for me, Jo Cox's sister, and I will bring back

• 10p Freddos
• white dog muck
• hanging

[BlodwynPig]

This is why I absolutely don't trust your judgement.

A difference of opinion is healthy.

I am not constrained by judgement.

[pancreas]

No, I will not notice that no one from JVL has ever been asked onto Novara Media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2pWVam6Hs0

Fair enough. I stand corrected.

Perhaps they might have considered inviting her on before she was suspended, though. Perhaps any point from 2017-2019 would have been worth a shot.

[Buelligan]

Being fair though, there were an awful lot of decent good-intentioned and natured, totally fine, people who were a bit off the ball when it came to that whole thing.  Maybe it's that fools and angels thing.

[Sebastian Cobb]

Amongst other things, they do all need to be judged by their response to the 'antisemitism crisis'. On that count Walker fails very badly, Bastani not so much, Sarkar somewhere in the middle. But they all failed. The left needed these people to stick their necks out and apply some basic scientific rigour to that episode, but they didn't. You will notice that no-one from JVL has ever been asked onto Novara Media.

I think the most damning thing they did was get Peter Singer on, it would've only taken a bit of basic googling to see he has a few questionable eugenicist views. Worse, when they got some flack they dithered and made a none-apology.

This appears to have been a red line for some people. I'm not prepared to write them off over it, but it wasn't good.

[Jockice]

I think the most damning thing they did was get Peter Singer on, it would've only taken a bit of basic googling to see he has a few questionable eugenicist views. Worse, when they got some flack they dithered and made a none-apology.

This appears to have been a red line for some people. I'm not prepared to write them off over it, but it wasn't good.

Yeah, that one was really pushing their luck. I haven't defriended them (or whatever they call it on Twitter) but I know several other disabled people who have.

[Johnny Yesno]

Fair enough. I stand corrected.

Perhaps they might have considered inviting her on before she was suspended, though. Perhaps any point from 2017-2019 would have been worth a shot.

Perhaps they should have invited someone from higher up in the organisation and at a more important time.

[Paul Calf]

Perhaps we should be a bit more forgiving to people who are basically very much on the side of truth and reconciliation and who have managed to secure a reasonable degree of visibility in this Stasiland media landscape.

[Chollis]

Jon Stone @joncstone
Keir Starmer tells LBC he's doing badly in the polls because he's "battling against a pretty strong headwind" of the government's "fantastically successful" vaccine roll-out.

https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1404355427484291072?s=20

[imitationleather]

Blaming doing terribly on the government being too good is an interesting tactic, it has to be said.

If the government are so great why don't we all just vote Tory then?

[Fabian Thomsett]

My dead dog ate my homework.

[idunnosomename]

Sir Keir Starmer is a beautiful man. This is the opposition we deserve.

[Jockice]

Perhaps we should be a bit more forgiving to people who are basically very much on the side of truth and reconciliation and who have managed to secure a reasonable degree of visibility in this Stasiland media landscape.

Oh no, not The Stasiland Question.

[pigamus]

If Novara aren't good enough for you then the left is a bit fucked

[Paul Calf]

Oh no, not The Stasiland Question.

*Applause*

[jobotic]

Why hasn't Starmer appeared on GB News yet, it's been going a day.

He needs to convince their viewers that Labour aren't woke and will deport brown people too.

[Blumf]

Why hasn't Starmer appeared on GB News yet, it's been going a day.

In fairness, the GB News studio doesn't have enough flags, might make Keith look dangerously unpatriotic.

[olliebean]

Blaming doing terribly on the government being too good is an interesting tactic, it has to be said.

Especially when it's the NHS, not the government, who are administering the "fantastically successful" vaccine roll-out.

[Zetetic]

They might also want to think about this relates to Wales (remember the only national Labour government in the UK?) and the attempts of the Westminster government to lay claim to that as well.

[Jockice]

*Applause*

Turns off replies.

[peanutbutter]

Why hasn't Starmer appeared on GB News yet, it's been going a day.

He needs to convince their viewers that Labour aren't woke and will deport brown people too.

They're currently being paralysed by the confusion over Batley and Spen's muslim population actually caring about Palestine

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Be a shame if that was the clincher for them and they voted Tory

[NoSleep]

Won't they vote for Galloway in preference to that? Surely that's why he entered the contest.