Author Topic: Last Night in SoHo  (Read 3476 times)

Re: Last Night in SoHo
« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2021, 07:41:28 AM »
I rewatched Baby Driver recently and I reckon Wright's problem since he went to the US is that since Scott Pilgrim he became the go-to guy for high energy action films where the lead is a completely unlikable pratt. They're both films that seem to think people (teenage boys) want to cheer on a lead who acts like a self-absorbed dick to almost everyone around them - Baby in Baby Driver would make more sense as a character if he was 15 (maybe he is 15?).

Everything else in those films is good to great and the supporting performances are always at the very least decent so the films are still definitely watchable. The leads just seem horribly misjudged, especially when you read the Scott Pilgrim books and realise the movie - which to be fair was begun well before the books wrapped up - misses out on the entire final act where our lead realises he is a dick and changes his ways.

I'm actually excited for this, because it finally looks like something different from a clearly talented film maker.

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Re: Last Night in SoHo
« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2021, 07:51:31 AM »
Wright's American films (Scott Pilgrim, Baby Driver) are a bit too generic for me whereas his British ones (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, to a lesser extent The World's End) have quite a unique spin on particular genres and a refreshing stylistic flair (and fun scripts/performances) which elevate them. So a return to his home turf is welcome news.

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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2021, 08:36:29 AM »
i just think his films are crap mate

You may not like his films but he is very much not a hack. The care and attention and love in his films are evident. There are criticisms that are perhaps valid but "hack" isn't one of them

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« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2021, 08:54:46 AM »
Edgar Wright is also one of the shrinking collection of current noteworthy genre filmmakers who haven't yet been absorbed as journeymen for some cinematic universe or another[1] and are still engaged in the (evidently) increasingly arduous and thankless process of getting original non-franchise genre movies into cinemas. On that basis I have to award him an official "non-hack" badge until he signs up to do Venom 3 or something.
 1. Obviously this might have turned out differently if Wright's Ant Man project had worked out, but maybe the fact that it didn't is evidence that he wasn't quite malleable enough for that world.

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« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2021, 09:11:12 AM »
Even if he does end up doing a comic book film you can bet he will be also still developing original material.

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« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2021, 09:33:21 AM »
Edgar Wright is also one of the shrinking collection of current noteworthy genre filmmakers who haven't yet been absorbed as journeymen for some cinematic universe or another[1] and are still engaged in the (evidently) increasingly arduous and thankless process of getting original non-franchise genre movies into cinemas. On that basis I have to award him an official "non-hack" badge until he signs up to do Venom 3 or something.
 1. Obviously this might have turned out differently if Wright's Ant Man project had worked out, but maybe the fact that it didn't is evidence that he wasn't quite malleable enough for that world.

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/edgar-wright-on-to-direct-a-new-adaptation-of-the-running-man/

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« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2021, 09:59:35 AM »
https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/edgar-wright-on-to-direct-a-new-adaptation-of-the-running-man/

Times being tough in cinema I am willing to make some allowance for stand-alone remakes or re-adaptations as far as my hack/non-hack classification system goes. When your upcoming directorial slate starts to look like "Marvel film/Star Wars film/gritty origin story about, I dunno, Captain Hook?" - then you're in trouble.

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« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2021, 10:15:48 AM »
Even if he does end up doing a comic book film you can bet he will be also still developing original material.

You would certainly hope so, but it just seems like all the directors who go down that route end up getting progressively bogged down into more and more franchise commitments. People often bring up the "one for them, one for me" ideal as an attainable situation for auteur directors who sign up to direct mega-franchise films, but that never seems to actually materialise. There always seems to just be less and less space for any original films at all.

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« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2021, 10:29:04 AM »
I think that can work, and it is certainly something that Spielberg has done for a lot for his career, and I would think that someone like Taiki Watiti seems to be doing the same thing, following Thor up with Jojo Rabbit, and Coogler seems to also be attempting.

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« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2021, 10:56:12 AM »
I think that can work, and it is certainly something that Spielberg has done for a lot for his career, and I would think that someone like Taiki Watiti seems to be doing the same thing, following Thor up with Jojo Rabbit, and Coogler seems to also be attempting.

This came up in another thread recently so don't want to repeat myself too much but while Waittiti's current slate does include another original film, it also features another Marvel, a Star Wars film and a Willy Wonka reboot series for Netflix. It's hardly an even balance. As for Spielberg, the landscape of cinema has changed an enormous deal since his heyday and I believe he's talked explicitly about the increasing difficulty he's had in securing funding and theatrical release status for his original projects like Lincoln etc.

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« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2021, 11:39:08 AM »
Yeah it is definitely harder at the moment to get an original idea made. I was just saying that lots of directors are still trying to achieve that, even while making franchise stuff. It must be tempting to fit a couple of franchise films in while you go through the long process of getting an original film greenlit, written and get through pre-production rather than only make a film every six or so years

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« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2021, 11:56:51 AM »
Taika Waititi has two projects going on at the moment. Rita Ora and Tessa Thompson

https://www.vulture.com/2021/05/taika-waititi-rita-ora-and-tessa-thomspon-photos.html

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Re: Last Night in SoHo
« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2021, 01:51:02 PM »
i looked up what "hack" means and it turns out i am wrong and always have been wrong. I retract my accusation

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Re: Last Night in SoHo
« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2021, 02:11:35 PM »
i'm not being disingenuous btw, i genuinely thought it meant something else

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« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2021, 02:37:34 PM »
What did you think it meant, out of interest?

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Re: Last Night in SoHo
« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2021, 07:25:17 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2021, 08:25:26 PM »
Wright's American films (Scott Pilgrim, Baby Driver) are a bit too generic for me

You what now? One can critique those films in a number of ways, but one thing neither of them are is fucking "generic."

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« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2021, 03:49:17 AM »
Got Matt Smith in it, so I'm sold.

Don't tell the lads in the This Time thread...

They'll claim that he takes them right out the action. Not to mention that they can tell he's reading the lyrics to Downtown off the back of a napkin in the Cafe de Paris

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Re: Last Night in SoHo
« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2021, 10:57:02 AM »
You what now? One can critique those films in a number of ways, but one thing neither of them are is fucking "generic."

I think they're far closer in spirit to other American independent cinema, making them to me a lot less singular.

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« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2021, 11:25:31 AM »
You would certainly hope so, but it just seems like all the directors who go down that route end up getting progressively bogged down into more and more franchise commitments. People often bring up the "one for them, one for me" ideal as an attainable situation for auteur directors who sign up to direct mega-franchise films, but that never seems to actually materialise. There always seems to just be less and less space for any original films at all.

Although i think theres a difference between franchise/non franchise and blockbuster/non blockbuster here, people like say Wright or James Gunn you could argue that really making blockbuster films has always been their intention, a desire to entertain with some broad dramatic brush strokes is there right from the start even if the budgets were smaller.

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« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2021, 10:59:21 PM »
I like Edgar Wright generally but Baby Driver was poor. All mouth and no trousers, over reliant on tunes and gimmicks, 2d characters, no heart. Snyder gets excoriated for his constant slo mo and speed ramping, yet Wright is equally guilty of leaning on hyper fast cutting  and musical queues.

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Re: Last Night in SoHo
« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2021, 01:02:03 PM »
Saw this on Saturday night as an LFF preview screening thing with a pointless Q&A ("Are you proud of this film you made?"  "Yes I am proud of this film I made" etc), and enjoyed it well enough BUT

Before the film a guy came out and read a prepared statement from Edgar Wright, William Castle style, along the lines of 'hope you enjoy the movie but please don't tell anyone about the twist in the second half"

Watched the whole film, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TWIST WAS.

Re: Last Night in SoHo
« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2021, 02:33:21 PM »
I've always taken "hack" to mean someone who is derivative, eg a comedian's "hacky material" is material that's been done a million times before.

In this context, it's easy to see why people like Wright and Tarantino would be called hacks. I mean, they both to some extent seem to be people who get most of their ideas from watching other films (as in, their interests and life experience seem to begin and end with the genre films they've watched), and seem to want to make certain types of films just to make them, like ticking genres off a list, or Mr. Ben wearing a new costume.

I like his films with Pegg and Nick Frost because they're funny. I really don't rate his style in general at all though, being too showy and too film school. Again, I don't rate Tarantino for the same reasons. There's a lack of soul with both of them.


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