"At Christmas I no more desire a rose Than wish a snow in May's new-fangled mirth; But like of each thing that in season grows."
Started by bgmnts, June 10, 2021, 08:03:28 PM
Quote from: DJ Bob Hoskins on June 11, 2021, 01:12:19 AMETA: I'd perhaps even make a counter-argument in that the Britpop era also introduced me to bands such as Pulp and the Divine Comedy and Manic Street Preachers and Belle & Sebastian, and the idea that not only was it OK to be skinny, slightly effeminate, oddly-dressed and overly-sensitive in a hitherto conformist macho society, but that it was actually cool to be that type of person. So if that's Oasis's fault too, then cheers, Oasis.
Quote from: jobotic on June 11, 2021, 11:23:39 AMWho cares if he's nice in person? Most people are.He's contributing to the Tory culture wars. Fuck him and his woke snowflake wanker words.
Quote from: druss on June 11, 2021, 12:29:48 PMFair enough, I try not to hate people for their politics, most of my friends are liberal but I don't disown the few who aren't, always try to see the best in people. Look to America to see how the "us vs them" narrative plays out. Hating the other side won't make them change their mind or make the world a better place.
Quote from: turnstyle on June 11, 2021, 09:59:42 AMColumbia's good innit.
Quote from: Wet Blanket on June 11, 2021, 11:40:01 AMEntertaining article but I don't know if I agree that Britpop had any lasting impact, positive or negative. Perhaps it was the soundtrack to Blairism and the birth of the neoliberal capitalist consensus or whatever but that's arguably more coincidence than anything else. It was all over within about four years, then there was the strange period of cheapo boy bands vs turgid rock balladry ala Travis, Embrace etc. and then that brief revival of New Wave before streaming more or less made pop music irrelevant.I lay the death of pop culture on BBC2 and Channel 4's giving up on the avant-garde stuff and pivoting towards property and gardening programmes.
Quote from: JamesTC on June 11, 2021, 01:16:05 PM He seems to have a bee in his bonnet that Liam is doing well by just doing Oasis knockoffs and playing old Oasis songs
Quote from: sevendaughters on June 11, 2021, 01:43:38 PMAs You Were by LG went platinum. Second one only gold. Beady Eye declined too, gold then silver.
Quote from: Key on June 11, 2021, 07:14:07 AMThe thing that really puts me off about Oasis' music is that it's so stodgy. Listening to the plodding sludge makes me feel like I've just eaten six pies. Everythings always at this low-mid tempo, not fast enough to be exciting and not slow enough to be compelling but the exact bmp of dullness. Then the guitars and Liam whine over the top like drunken bagpipes, a 5 mile trek through a bog. the Sex Pistols as heard through the ears of a dysthymic. God Noel where is the spirit? Where the invention you pentatonic cunt.
Quote from: A Hat Like That on June 11, 2021, 03:29:31 PMThe description 'drummer sounds like his shoes are wet' is a great line.Not sure where I read it, recent though
Quote from: The Culture Bunker on June 11, 2021, 03:43:17 PMYou look at the supposed inspirations behind Oasis - the Beatles, the Smiths, Stone Roses, Slade: they all had very good rhythm sections. But then I always presumed their wall-of-sludge guitar sound was more by design, as the idea of having any kind of "groove" might be seen as a bit soft.
Quote from: SOMK on June 11, 2021, 02:55:56 PMBrit pop was a culture war, it was a mostly media driven phenomena that lumped together a few bands influenced by the music coke-head middle-aged people in executive positions liked when they were teenagers, as opposed to the three-headed hydra of rave culture, grunge and rap/hip hop.It went hand-in-hand with the middle class discovery of football post Hillsborough, the Premiership breakaway & 'Fever Pitch'. And other reactionary cultural phenomena like, Lads magazines, the YBA's, 'reclaiming' the symbology of Empire from racists (union jacks and English flags ahoy!), Four Weddings and a Funeral (which led directly to Boris Johnson's Churchill/Hugh Grant schtick) & the grotesquely unearned 'end of history' thesis that the best and only system of Anglo-centric free market capitalism had 'won' (and the resulting unearned self-confidence) that emerged following the fall of the Soviet Union.It was the creative manifestation of a tiny few members of a generation of people who Thatcherism was content to spunk the North-sea oil money on giving dole payments in lieu of employment and housing was still vaguely affordable before New Labour hit on the bright idea of welfare to work, a 'hand up' not a 'hand out', meaning same people on dole had now to perpetually present themselves as looking for work and absolutely could not spend their spare time fucking around learning guitar. Leading fairly rapidly to working class music acts in general getting filtered out of pop music. As dreadful as Oasis are in many respects (though I've have a soft spot for Liam Gallagher's Zero Fucks Smash Hits interviews about spots "cut them off with a razor, I've never had them" and urinating on public transport "I just sat there and let it swish around and pretended it had nothing to do with me"), they are positively Shakespearean when compared to Mumford and Sons. Favourite random Brit Pop fact, is when Bret Anderson first met Justine Frischmann's found her accent so posh he thought she had a speech impediment.
Quote from: Video Game Fan 2000 on June 11, 2021, 04:28:47 PMI don't really buy that Oasis were more of a culturally conservative proposition than other bands who were desperately trying to make crossover guitar pop a thing before them. "Noel Rock" definitely was, but that's a different issue. Stereolab ended up recording some subtly anti-marxist libertarian songsLuke Haines might have been a lefty early on but he transformed into a full reactionary over a decade.There is very dodgy stuff on the Denim record ("fake make up boys", "we hate the IRA", "i hate funk and I hate soul") Gedge might be a nice man with good opinions but his thing was bringing the sexual/gender ambiguity of stuff like the Smiths or lofi back into traditional boy meets girl story songs. Despite the aesthetic, MSP were/are bothsideism: the band. Radiohead dedicated a record to Bill Hicks. New Order were called New Order.Loads of throwback bands like the La's were uncomfortably nationalistic in their ideas of what good music should be about.Blur were rich boys sneering at paups. I could go on.
Quote from: Brundle-Fly on June 11, 2021, 04:38:02 PMSo what are we left with? Chumbawamba? Woop-di-doo.
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