Contrapoints

[Buelligan]

it encourages people to moderate and improve what they express and how they express it

We all pray for that.  Clarity, attribution, consideration for the reader.

[Mister Six]

Contracts output is so sporadic that YouTube doesn't even bother recommending it any more, I guess. Anyway, this is her latest, "The Hunger", from two months ago.

[Memorex MP3]

I'm pretty sure I watched that whole one when it came out but I can't remember for sure; it was a massive slog regardless.

[TrenterPercenter]

Contracts output is so sporadic that YouTube doesn't even bother recommending it any more, I guess. Anyway, this is her latest, "The Hunger", from two months ago.

Not one of her best if I'm honest.

[Barry Admin]

I think I tried watching that one, and was put off by adverts playing at the beginning of it.  Was under the impression that she was against advertising on her YouTube stuff, and that's why she has a Patreon.

[Video Game Fan 2000]

patreon and crowdfunding can't be any less unethical or 'capitalist' (as the kids use it) than ads these days surely, especially if you've already made it big

and you're giving money to the guy from pomplamouse. talk about working for the man, the zany hipster glockenspiel man. just push that NordVPN and have done with it.

the video is awful. there isn't even anything to be pedantic about. shame

[jsgibble]

Dk if romance novels are this forum's thing really but I loved this, one of her best.

[Blumf]

Three fucking hours though.

Can someone edit it down to a sentence?

[jamiefairlie]

Three fucking hours though.

Can someone edit it down to a sentence?

"It's shite"

You're welcome.

[Video Game Fan 2000]

Can someone edit it down to a sentence?

No, not ahhhhhhhh

[Video Game Fan 2000]

you may laugh but i was a member of the nazi party before i clicked on that three hour video about twilight

by eck guv, if i havent only been deradicalised by exposure to the careful curation of alternative narratives cor blimey

[bgmnts]

you may laugh but i was a member of the nazi party before i clicked on that three hour video about twilight

by eck guv, if i havent only been deradicalised by exposure to the careful curation of alternative narratives cor blimey

I'd assume you'd be in favour of a youtube essayist abandoning pretensions of political influence for more frothy subjects!

Think even the most ardent Contrapoints fan would struggle with a 3 hour long Twilight video, though

[Video Game Fan 2000]

I was actually thinking it was gonna be good because the point she's making is something I agree with largely

but i clicked through and the part on dialectics was wrong, dialectics isnt a list contrasting pairs. and then its all power this and power that ... and whatever book she got that version of the sacred/profane argument from ballsed that up too

harrumpphhhh

[Retinend]

I think it was good and food for thought.

I'd summarize it as: the desire to be sexually submissive is nothing to be ashamed of. She disagrees with radical feminists who think female readers of a book series like Twilight or its spinoff, 50 Shades of Grey, should be viewed with pity or contempt. She thinks that such books are an honest portrayal of how the average woman gets off.

She complicates this basic argument by a laundry list of caveats, e.g. obviously these books are conservative trash; obviously this mindset is conditioned by patriarchy; obviously men can be submissive too; obviously it's naive to see men as penetrators and women as penetrateds per se... There's a lot of "buts" and I think she ties herself in knots a bit. But she does so willingly because she's not so much interested in the answers as much as the questions. And that's what an intellectual should be like.

So even if it's not a single strong thesis, she provides an entertaining and interesting tour of psychoanalytic literature which I was not familiar with. I learned a lot from it.

Along the way she brings up many literary figures, e.g. George Eliot, Emily Bronte, Samuel Richardson (author of Pamela), and she makes smart comparisons with the current day equivalent of Pamela - Bella Swan of the Twilight Books. This gives a wise reminder that there's nothing new under the sun, even threesomes with sexy vampires and werewolves.

[Retinend]

Three fucking hours though.

Netflix drags out a single gruesome murder story into three hours as standard these days. What's wrong with three hours on an actually interesting psycho-sexual topic?

[Video Game Fan 2000]

*hands you a big mac*

what's wrong, don't you like grilled beef?

[jamiefairlie]

Netflix drags out a single gruesome murder story into three hours as standard these days. What's wrong with three hours on an actually interesting psycho-sexual topic?

You can be consistent and hate both because of they're inability to say something concisely.

[Retinend]

You can be consistent and hate both because of they're inability to say something concisely.

OK, but in the case of this three hour video, there's a lot of ground to cover - the pop culture phenomenon of Twilight, the fandom including 50 Shades of Grey, the feminist backlash, the psychology of romance fiction, the history of romance fiction, the psychoanalytic tradition of the sex drive concept, and more. Along the way it's entertaining and you learn something, or you have food for thought if you disagree.

 In the case of your average three hour Netflix crime doc it's ultimately going to be based on several news clippings, a handful of crime scene photos, and a court transcript - padded out with a fuckton of red herrings and re-traumatized interviewees for the sake of time. And what do you learn from it? The police are shit and you aren't ever safe.

[PlanktonSideburns]

You can watch them in sections you know

[Dex Sawash]

50 Shades is somehow related to Twilight?

<leaves thread>

[touchingcloth]

Has she ever done one about the Boland Amendment?

[McFlymo]

I think it was good and food for thought.

I'd summarize it as: the desire to be sexually submissive is nothing to be ashamed of. She disagrees with radical feminists who think female readers of a book series like Twilight or its spinoff, 50 Shades of Grey, should be viewed with pity or contempt. She thinks that such books are an honest portrayal of how the average woman gets off.

She complicates this basic argument by a laundry list of caveats, e.g. obviously these books are conservative trash; obviously this mindset is conditioned by patriarchy; obviously men can be submissive too; obviously it's naive to see men as penetrators and women as penetrateds per se... There's a lot of "buts" and I think she ties herself in knots a bit. But she does so willingly because she's not so much interested in the answers as much as the questions. And that's what an intellectual should be like.

So even if it's not a single strong thesis, she provides an entertaining and interesting tour of psychoanalytic literature which I was not familiar with. I learned a lot from it.

Along the way she brings up many literary figures, e.g. George Eliot, Emily Bronte, Samuel Richardson (author of Pamela), and she makes smart comparisons with the current day equivalent of Pamela - Bella Swan of the Twilight Books. This gives a wise reminder that there's nothing new under the sun, even threesomes with sexy vampires and werewolves.

This all sounds quite interesting. Thanks for the summary! I might give it a go (and do it across a few evenings). Love (nearly) all Contrapoints stuff!

[Urinal Cake]

You can be consistent and hate both because of they're inability to say something concisely.

I wonder if this generally, has something to do with Patreon vs YouTube. Youtube rewards consistent uploads but Patreons expect something long-form.

[Zero Gravitas]

I think it's more like Patreons enable it, both through the security of getting predictable monthly payments, and through the need to produce some kind of WORK if you've been getting paid £2 by 30k people.

I couldn't be arsed with this one, from the framing of the discussion through twilight to "Lacan says something similar but I'll quote Žižek" I'm neither well disposed by what I have seen nor interested in sitting through the rest.

[greenman]

I think it was good and food for thought.

I'd summarize it as: the desire to be sexually submissive is nothing to be ashamed of. She disagrees with radical feminists who think female readers of a book series like Twilight or its spinoff, 50 Shades of Grey, should be viewed with pity or contempt. She thinks that such books are an honest portrayal of how the average woman gets off.

She complicates this basic argument by a laundry list of caveats, e.g. obviously these books are conservative trash; obviously this mindset is conditioned by patriarchy; obviously men can be submissive too; obviously it's naive to see men as penetrators and women as penetrateds per se... There's a lot of "buts" and I think she ties herself in knots a bit. But she does so willingly because she's not so much interested in the answers as much as the questions. And that's what an intellectual should be like.

So even if it's not a single strong thesis, she provides an entertaining and interesting tour of psychoanalytic literature which I was not familiar with. I learned a lot from it.

Along the way she brings up many literary figures, e.g. George Eliot, Emily Bronte, Samuel Richardson (author of Pamela), and she makes smart comparisons with the current day equivalent of Pamela - Bella Swan of the Twilight Books. This gives a wise reminder that there's nothing new under the sun, even threesomes with sexy vampires and werewolves.

I think the first point is perhaps the most significant, a lot of the other stuff isnt exactly new but I do think were currently in a situation with a pretty universal sexual panic and this highlights that really a lot of the liberial response and that of unpleasant misogynists of the incel/alpha culture are not that far apart and actually support each other to some degree.

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

Three fucking hours though.

Can someone edit it down to a sentence?

"Chris Morris and his works are good" shut down the forum

[Huxleys Babkins]

"Chris Morris and his works are good" shut down the forum

"Nathan Barley"

FORUM RE-OPENED

[touchingcloth]

I wonder if this generally, has something to do with Patreon vs YouTube. Youtube rewards consistent uploads but Patreons expect something long-form.

If the YouTube videos are 3 hours long, how long are the Patreon ones?!

[Memorex MP3]

I wonder if this generally, has something to do with Patreon vs YouTube. Youtube rewards consistent uploads but Patreons expect something long-form.

This might be it. Patreons for youtubers are generally per video unless they're very frequent I think, it might be lower risk wrt conserving existing patron numbers to release less frequently.
The ego hit of putting something you've spent a couple of months on out and seeing your patron numbers go down might be a big motivator too.


I see ContraPoints is monthly subscriptions though, which seems very bad when you consider the quality and frequency of their output over the last few years... do they do a lot of patreon exclusive stuff?

[Dex Sawash]

I can't even listen to an entire glebe monocle drop gif