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Halloween Kills

Started by Custard, June 27, 2021, 10:19:37 AM

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Shaky

Quote from: Replies From View on July 03, 2021, 09:41:36 AM
Is that the one with dogs instead of babies?

No, that's Now You're Talking Now.

mothman

Halloween: Season of the What

When I was at school someone told me his white mask is "the guy from Star Trek" and rather than Shatner I thought they meant Data.

beanheadmcginty

They could inject a bit of much needed diversity into the new instalment by getting Myers to wear a Geordi LaForge mask instead.

SteveDave

Saw this last night and I really need to stop watching modern films.

Pure shit. Pointless.

idunnosomename

Halloween Thrills and Spills

chocolate teapot

#36
Very bad film.

The only decent bit was the beginning with the flashback and the brilliant Loomis lookalike.

EDIT - THIS IS THE BAD STUFF .  Every 10 minutes a different citizen of Haddonfield giving a speech about 'we must kill Michael. 'Then the hospital chanting Evil Dies Tonight. The mentally ill man being chased by the mob. No JLC (Jamie Lee Curtis) for most the film. Also how is Michael taking on an entire fire brigade's worth of firefighters.

I liked the couples who were killed unfortunately, Big John and Little John, I loved them. Michael was particularly brutal with the couple at the beginning but touching with Big J and Little J.

Also the scene with the nurse and shooting out every single window in the car?!! Stop shooting and drive!

Mister Six

Not seen this, probably won't, but the idea of the whole town going apeshit mob-style and rushing at Michael Myers as he slices his way through them sounds great.

H-O-W-L

This is the best comedy film I've seen in a decade. Complete shit, but in the most joyfully shit way.

SteveDave

Quote from: chocolate teapot on October 19, 2021, 02:38:31 PM
Very bad film.
The only decent bit was the beginning with the flashback and the brilliant Loomis lookalike.

I checked his IMDB (Internet Movie Database Base) and he's worked as a construction co-ordinator since 1986. I like to imagine that David Gordon-Green saw him co-ordinating some construction and, Ed Wood style, decided that he'd make a great Donald Pleasance. 

H-O-W-L

He really did make an amazing Loomis, and it was all practical:



Honestly I think he could've passed as Loomis with just the beard and hair. Throw him in and say "I'M LOOMIS, I'M BACK FROM THE DEAD AND I'M NO LONGER BRITISH!"

Harry Badger

He could probably get a side gig as a lookalike for internet racist Stefan Molyneux

Claude the Racecar Driving Rockstar Super Sleuth

Without the makeup be looks just like Shaun Ryder.

frajer

Quote from: H-O-W-L on October 20, 2021, 10:33:36 AM
He really did make an amazing Loomis, and it was all practical:



Wow that's great. Must admit I assumed it was the usual CGI resurrection trickery, done unexpectedly well.

But yeah this film is an absolute shambles and not worth anyone's time. I really dislike how they pretend everything about Michael Myers has Mythic Quality, which they've decided to interpret as a lot of boring speeches and po-faced interactions between cardboard grief characters, interspersed with notably cruel murder porn.

As has been mentioned, Big John and Little John were fun, and seemed like the only three-dimensional human beings in Haddonfield. It's a shame they bought that house.

H-O-W-L

I think the problem with Michael being legendary to Haddonfield's residents is the fact that he basically killed three people over fourty, nearly fifty years ago. Callous as it'll sound that's fucking nothing, really -- I live in a town where the same thing happened 20 years ago and people barely even remember it, even those that were alive to hear about it. So they're obviously relying on the fact that we, the viewer, are aware of Halloweens 4 to 6, with H20 and Resurrection being optional, in order to sell Michael's whole shtick to us. But when you DO that you also have to face up to the fact those movies were shit-- and they do not fit into the 2018+ timeline.

greenman

I mean really when did any horror franchise keep up the quality beyond the first 2-3 films at most?

Magnum Valentino

Feels like a cheat answer but the later Corman/Price Poe adaptations are still good. I also like every Hammer Draclia film except the last two, the 70s-set ones.

iamcoop

Just booked tickets to see this load of absolute shit tonight. Dunno why as I thought the last one was largely terrible as well.

Seeing loads of people graphically get stabbed to death couldn't be any further from what made the original so good.

I would say I'll report back but I don't think anyone cares really do they? I certainly don't and I'm going to see the thing.

SteveDave

Quote from: Magnum Valentino on October 20, 2021, 01:20:41 PM
Feels like a cheat answer but the later Corman/Price Poe adaptations are still good. I also like every Hammer Draclia film except the last two, the 70s-set ones.

"Dracula AD 1972" and "The Satanic Rites Of Dracula" are the best ones!

Do you get this in the other ones? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18RKwISa6JM No! Class.

checkoutgirl

Quote from: greenman on October 20, 2021, 01:07:30 PM
I mean really when did any horror franchise keep up the quality beyond the first 2-3 films at most?

Return of the Living Dead 5 is pretty good. I think.

Magnum Valentino

Quote from: SteveDave on October 20, 2021, 02:46:50 PM
"Dracula AD 1972" and "The Satanic Rites Of Dracula" are the best ones!

Do you get this in the other ones? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18RKwISa6JM No! Class.

I like 1972 but it isn't good. Rites is neither good nor liked.

Obel

I quite enjoyed the 2018 Halloween but this is unbelievably shit and not even in an entertaining way. Some of the dialogue is truly shocking.  "Evil dies tonight!" "Michael... you've come home." The characters speak in poster taglines.

I think you massively shoot yourself in the foot by announcing you're working on two Halloween films back to back, then have your actors come out in interviews talking about the third one in the next year or so. Basically just spoils that the main characters and Myers will survive. I mean I know Myers is unkillable and all that shit, but at least try to keep up the pretense that he might finally die in this one.

Halloween Kills? More like Halloween Instills (Boredom)

BritishHobo

There was a very fleeting catharsis in
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the townspeople beating fuck out of Michael
[close]
but otherwise it felt completely pointless. It's obviously meant to be a bridging film, setting up the final part of the trilogy, but absolutely nothing it does, or promises to do next time, adds anything of value to what the first film already did. By the end of Halloween Ends, we're just going to be at the same point we were at the end of the 2018 Halloween, only with three more hours of filler killings.

Also the fleeting catharsis mentioned above serves to completely undermine the earlier themes of mob justice, the returning characters feel wasted, and the climax is proper whiplash pacing. I left feeling like it would probably work alright in a marathon watch of this new trilogy, but having to wait a year for the conclusion is underwhelming.

Obel

Yeah. The thing with Michael Myers is he is a 'serious' killer. As in he doesn't kill his victims in outlandish and funny ways like Jason or put them in some fun dream reality like Krueger. It's all stabby stabby, which is fine, but after a couple of boring stabby kills you kind of get it. For a film with a character like this you need fewer deaths and instead really ratchet up the tension in the individual death scenes. Like for example the original Halloween.

petercussing

Quote from: checkoutgirl on October 20, 2021, 02:51:39 PM
Return of the Living Dead 5 is pretty good. I think.

Whaaa? Rave from the Grave? More like get in Rave from the Grave. Fair enough tho, srsly, i might give it a rewatch, but thought it was hellz bad when it came out.

Quote from: SteveDave on October 20, 2021, 02:46:50 PM
"Dracula AD 1972" and "The Satanic Rites Of Dracula" are the best ones!
Do you get this in the other ones? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18RKwISa6JM No! Class.

I agree, they are again ones that do something that is interesting, in spite of doing a real sell out, pandering turn at the time of release. The Satanic Rites reminds me of Scream and Scream again in it's messy oddness, which make it v appealing to me.

Anyway as the above makes obvious, being me, i really quite enjoyed Hween Killz. As someone elsewhere pointed out it's lke an 80s Italian version of modern halloween. It's unremdeemingly shitty at points but it's so dumb it was great. I didn't really like the first one of one this run and liked this much more.

beanheadmcginty

It was nice to see the Dungeon Master from the old 80s Dungeons and Dragons cartoon getting some work as the escaped little fella.

H-O-W-L

The fact they focused on Danny DeVito's Penguin's
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brutally mangled carcass
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like they did was downright depraved and stupid to me in a way that even the most depraved video nasty sort of shit from tym of auld wasn't. The whole movie has this insane attitude of "the original Halloween is a bit tame by modern standards so let's make sure every kill is overwhelmingly gratuitous and visceral and blood shits all over the camera in every single scene, absolute goblets of gore being gobbed at the lens every fucking second, they'll rub themselves fucking catatonic to this shit. That's what people come to see Halloween movies for -- endless, nihilistic gore splatter fests."

Reeks of Halloween 2, one of the most nasty films in the franchise in a way that is completely unentertaining and instead just comes off cold. Michael, and the Halloween world he inhabits, is too realistic to be a gore-splatter character IMO. There's none of the tropey unreality of the Fridays, or the innate self-awareness and bilious humor like there is Freddy.

In 2018 one of my favorite scenes is the scene where Michael goes from house to house because there's one or two kills in that scene that are entirely unseen -- you merely hear their shocked reaction to a masked intruder and then the visceral thud as he necks 'em. Far more believable and 'orrid than a POV shot of Michael driving a twelve foot bum dildo of vengeance directly into your eyeballbeams as a thousand blood squibs splurt out of your very theater seat directly into you and your child's screaming mouths.

colacentral

Agree with all of the above except that there was nothing redeeming about the 2018 one. Remember the bollocks at the time about it honoring the spirit of the original? Couldn't be further from the truth. They must have been thinking of Friday the 13th because Halloween 2018 and Halloween 1978 bear no resemblance to each other.

As bad as all the other sequels are, I would take any of them over the 2018 one for fun factor. 2018 was just depressing in how badly it missed the point.

H-O-W-L

Parts of 2018 worked for me but I just hated how stupidly unrealistic it was overall. It wasn't campy enough for me to take said lack of realism as just a part of it being a movie about a spooky mask man, but it strove to be so "real" and "grounded" that all this glaring lack of verisimilitude brought the movie crashing to the floor.

Laurie owning only firearms from just under a hundred years ago because of JLC's own political views on "black rifles" was probably the part that really just bothered me the most-- I don't want to start a debate about gun control, but it really boggled me nobody in Haddonfield, Illinois except Laurie owns a gun? And none of them own rifles? And it continues in this movie. Why do none of the police have shotguns or rifles? Why does the angry mob use nothing but melee weapons? We had it in Halloween 4 and it worked fine because they kept Michael away from, or at the blindside, of the armed cops. He even impaled someone with a shotgun in that movie!

Why was her house trapped in such a way that it could only feasibly get her killed unless they lured Michael into the basement... WHERE ALL THE GUNS AND SUPPLIES SHE'D SPENT LOTS OF MONEY ON WERE? Why was it not just one big flame cage if that was the plan?

AsparagusTrevor

I'm glad to see people in this thread criticising the 2018 one, because I saw people praising it all around the internet and it made me think I was wrong for thinking it was a pile of dogshit.

The thing what bothered me the most is, like H-O-W-L mentioned above, in-universe Michael being mythologised isn't earned. So what you basically end up with is Laurie being a crazy old recluse with lots of guns. It would've made more sense to at least include H2 in the canon, shit film or not.