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Paul Calf

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #570 on: September 02, 2021, 12:13:51 PM »
Alternative things you might be able to do:
- Join a local anti-immigration raids group (there are more ways you might be useful than you think)
- Join protests outside of Home Office installations.
- Donate to local clothes drives etc. for refugees who are here.
- Donate to cash UNHCR or Red Cross

While having a poke around looking for anti-raids group, I found this:

http://antiraids.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/anti-raids-zine.pdf

Might be useful.

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #571 on: September 02, 2021, 12:26:53 PM »
Having weighed up my options: Afghanistan or County Kerry I have decided to visit County Kerry. Apologies but see you another time, Afghanistan.

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #572 on: September 02, 2021, 05:31:05 PM »
Labour's Neil Coyle focusing on the real issues when asking questions of Raaaaab.


Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #573 on: September 02, 2021, 05:31:39 PM »
Probably pissed

Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #574 on: September 02, 2021, 06:01:29 PM »
huge security risk now they know what our head of state looks like.

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #575 on: September 02, 2021, 07:50:48 PM »
now they've gone too far. push the red button

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #576 on: September 02, 2021, 07:53:13 PM »
"Was not..."

Diction of a cunt. Dicktion.

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #577 on: September 02, 2021, 09:10:38 PM »
Neil Coyle. Others have opinions such as "a wretch" and "dismal" and "beyond parody"

Myself? Meh, you'll have to pay me to find out.

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #578 on: September 02, 2021, 11:10:24 PM »
"Was not..."

Diction of a cunt. Dicktion.

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #579 on: September 05, 2021, 08:14:02 AM »
Just watched this very good short film from DoubleDown News on Afghanistan.  Worth a watch if you have nine minutes.

Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #580 on: September 05, 2021, 11:19:11 AM »
Watched Bitter Lake again last night. The last half hour is just the most grim comedy. Afghani villagers pointing out neighbours they have disputes with to the British troops as Taliban. Troops supporting the local police, who are no more than the local warlord's militia, which gets the troops attacked by locals, and eventually the police as well, and the troops assuming every fucker attacking them is Taliban. It's an operatic uberfuck.

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #581 on: September 05, 2021, 03:56:05 PM »
It really is extraordinary. Benefits from Curtis taking a real long step into the background in terms of his narration. Although some earlier stuff made a bigger impression at the time, I reckon Bitter Lake is the one I would recommend to people in terms of pure engulfing impact, sinking into the misery and pain.

Anyway, back to the clowns he was exposing:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58453258

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Apart from the countless articles anyone could freely find outside the MSM that predicted exactly what happened, but no, I suppose they are just some fringe loonies.

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #582 on: September 05, 2021, 05:09:10 PM »
I've never actually seen Bitter Lake and am only a couple of episodes into the newest Curtis series, but I've semi-accidentally found myself reading and watching lots of Afghanistan stuff lately and I have a long journey tomorrow, so I'm going to watch this.

For a depressing account of the Soviet war in Afghanistan, I'd recommend Svetlana Alexievich's book Boys in Zinc, which caused a lot of upset at the time of publication in the early 90s. It's grim as fuck though.

Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #583 on: September 05, 2021, 06:54:00 PM »
Watched Bitter Lake again last night. The last half hour is just the most grim comedy. Afghani villagers pointing out neighbours they have disputes with to the British troops as Taliban. Troops supporting the local police, who are no more than the local warlord's militia, which gets the troops attacked by locals, and eventually the police as well, and the troops assuming every fucker attacking them is Taliban. It's an operatic uberfuck.

Yes and operatic is a great word to use. You just want to scream ‘look just stop for a minute and try to work out what you’re trying to do here’

Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #584 on: September 06, 2021, 03:51:09 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58393231

Well who'd have guessed, they should have invaded Pakistan not Afghanistan.

What's the general feeling here about how KSM was treated under interrogation?

I think they probably went a bit over the top...

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #585 on: September 06, 2021, 06:02:22 AM »

DI Keith Fowler, the intrepid "American Eagle"

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #586 on: September 06, 2021, 08:18:32 AM »
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Mohammed was waterboarded at least 183 times, something described as "near drownings". He was subjected to rectal rehydration, stress positions, sleep deprivation, forced nudity, and told his children would be killed.

He would confess to multiple plots during that time. But a Senate report later found that much of the intelligence supposedly produced had been made up by the detainee.

So, torture doesn't work? Unlucky for David Miliband and Lee Hurst!

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #587 on: September 06, 2021, 08:24:00 AM »
So, torture doesn't work? Unlucky for David Miliband and Lee Hurst!

You say that now, but what if it was your baby strapped to a time bomb?

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« Reply #588 on: September 06, 2021, 09:18:41 AM »
Yes and operatic is a great word to use. You just want to scream ‘look just stop for a minute and try to work out what you’re trying to do here’

They're trying to keep Central Asia weak, chaotic and divided so there's never a real possibility that there'll be peace and self-determination in the region. They've been doing it for at least 200 years and it's working quite well.

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #589 on: September 06, 2021, 10:14:18 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58393231

Well who'd have guessed, they should have invaded Pakistan not Afghanistan.

What's the general feeling here about how KSM was treated under interrogation?

I think they probably went a bit over the top...

It's common knowledge now that American intelligence probably could have stopped that attack, or at least knew about it in advance, and could have easily gotten their guys after the fact. They just decided not to for some reason. Why they wanted to spend decades in Iraq and Afghanistan boggles my mind but ho hum the damage is done.

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« Reply #590 on: September 06, 2021, 10:20:27 AM »
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When the Bush administration first took office, it appointed 32 executives, paid consultants, or major shareholders of weapons contractors to top policymaking positions in the Pentagon, the National Security Council, the Department of Energy (involved in nuclear weapons development), and the State Department.

http://worldpolicy.org/report-ties-that-bind-arms-industry-influence-in-the-bush-administration-and-beyond/


Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #591 on: September 06, 2021, 11:18:32 AM »
Why isnt Tony Blair in prison

Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #592 on: September 06, 2021, 11:23:04 AM »
And of course Democrats aren't unhappy to jump on the board of Lockheed Martin and the like either. Former Afghanistan General Dunsford under the Obama admin has a leading role with them now, getting huge media coverage to discuss what America should do going forward about war but never a mention about his potential conflict of interests.

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« Reply #593 on: September 06, 2021, 12:08:43 PM »
Why isnt Tony Blair in prison

It's not as if there aren't opportunities in the market now the CIA are farming out their black sites.  I expect he has a few non-executive directorships and shareholdings but just doesn't want to wave them in our faces.

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #594 on: September 06, 2021, 04:17:21 PM »
Jonathan's Freedland now against Western intervention after 20 years hard slog of batting for war mongering scum. See how long that lasts.

Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #595 on: September 08, 2021, 04:08:27 PM »
It really is extraordinary. Benefits from Curtis taking a real long step into the background in terms of his narration. Although some earlier stuff made a bigger impression at the time, I reckon Bitter Lake is the one I would recommend to people in terms of pure engulfing impact, sinking into the misery and pain.

Anyway, back to the clowns he was exposing:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58453258

Scout leader says, "Everyone got it wrong"

Apart from the countless articles anyone could freely find outside the MSM that predicted exactly what happened, but no, I suppose they are just some fringe loonies.


On Bitter Lake,  no doubt it’s a good watch but some of the connections he makes just seem to be stretching things to sit in his narrative. 

Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #596 on: September 08, 2021, 04:10:28 PM »
I see that the Taliban have banned woman’s sport.  Can’t say I blame them.

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #597 on: September 08, 2021, 04:13:07 PM »


On Bitter Lake,  no doubt it’s a good watch but some of the connections he makes just seem to be stretching things to sit in his narrative.

One of my mates describes a lot of Curtis' work as "posh tin foil", seems about right, I'd say Hypernormalisation is probably the one I'm least sceptical about.

Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #598 on: September 08, 2021, 04:16:10 PM »
One of my mates describes a lot of Curtis' work as "posh tin foil", seems about right, I'd say Hypernormalisation is probably the one I'm least sceptical about.

Yeah that’s a decent analogy.  It just winds me up how he presents everything, no matter how tenuously connected, as a fact.

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« Reply #599 on: September 08, 2021, 04:20:21 PM »
I can't speak for everything or even everything that Curtis presents but I'd say of the individual things I've seen him present, he's less about stating facts, more about provoking questions.  Questions that usually desperately need consideration given the gangster's charnel house capitalism, neoliberalism and weapons manufacture are making of our world.


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