Kremlin leak

[bgmnts]

https://theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

I liked the descriptiom of Trump:

impulsive, mentally unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex

[madhair60]

Donkey Kong leaves thread disappointed hahaha

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Authored by Luke Harding so we can have total confidence in the intent behind this.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

Oh and also what the US does in pretty much every country in the Americas (at least).

[jobotic]

Ha ha

Trump = bad

Johnson = bad

Putin = what about the West? Look what they do.

[steve98]

Apparently this report seems to confirm they have kompromat on the orange turd, from before he was Prez. Amazing stuff, he must be shittin' himself :)

[Paul Calf]

Ha ha

Trump = bad

Johnson = bad

Putin = what about the West? Look what they do.

Yeah.

(And don't mention the paragon of beneficent dictatorship that is the living god Li Keqiang.)

[Cloud]

Not surprising.  Look up "Foundations of Geopolitics" - it's all part of the plan (so was Brexit)

[bgmnts]

Oh and also what the US does in pretty much every country in the Americas (at least).

To be fair, my intention wasnt to say Russia are particularly bad.

[Rizla]

As FBPE wankfodder goes this is a bit humdrum. Why can't these absolute jesmonds get it into their melty heads that bad orange man got the job for the same reason as the last three blokes got it  - cos he's cool and funny? In retrospect, when the alternative was hot sauce Hillary, it's not really so surprising is it? But nooooo, must be da russkies.

[Sebastian Cobb]

Oh and also what the US does in pretty much every country in the Americas (at least).

It's more like applied trolling when Russia does it.

[Mr_Simnock]

From the article

There are paragraphs on how Russia might insert "media viruses" into American public life, which could become self-sustaining and self-replicating. These would alter mass consciousness, especially in certain groups, it says.

absolute comic book stuff, might as well have mentioned putin's mind control ray gun

[Alberon]

I'm sure Russia did try to enhance Trump's chances because having such a weak, incoherant arsehole in the White House could only weaken the US. But I'm not sure they actually had that much effect. In the end the moron won because the majority of voters wanted him.

[Cloud]

From the article
absolute comic book stuff, might as well have mentioned putin's mind control ray gun

I think they're referring to memes, which replicate and influence in that way (particularly in the young and impressionable on imageboards and the like), so more a metaphor than an actual 'virus'

[chveik]

desperate stuff that don't stand to evidence.

[Video Game Fan 2000]

Better give the American military lots more money and international free reign to catch nazis and white supremacists though, just in case.

It's fine because this time its nazis. White nazis. Just like it was fine last time because there was a jihad against western civilisation.

[Video Game Fan 2000]

Hearing actual CIA and American generals talk like twitter accounts called Antifa_CapnCrunch1917 is really blowing my mind, though.

You never think propaganda will be as obvious as you think its going to be. Especially if you're old enough to remember all the outlandish but kinda plausible rumours about the blackbloc during Occupy and all that.

[Zetetic]

I think they're referring to memes, which replicate and influence in that way (particularly in the young and impressionable on imageboards and the like), so more a metaphor than an actual 'virus'

The most obvious etymology being via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viruses_of_the_Mind somewhere along the way, I guess.

[Zetetic]

It's probably not terribly relevant to the actual topic, but:

In the end the moron won because the majority of voters wanted him.

He didn't obtain the vote of the majority (or plurality) of people who voted, let alone (edit: possible) voters.

[Video Game Fan 2000]

Can we leave "the oppressed desire their oppression" to the big box of dogshit ideas from the 20th century? The prominence of that idea in particular in "anti fascist" thought is more harmful to left wing thinking than any number of universalisms.

[chveik]

Hearing actual CIA and American generals talk like twitter accounts called Antifa_CapnCrunch1917 is really blowing my mind, though.

You never think propaganda will be as obvious as you think its going to be.

dunno what you're referring to but the CIA woke recruitement vid is insane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X55JPbAMc9g

[Video Game Fan 2000]

Liberal blogs/commentators applauding Milly defending CRT in the same breath as saying he reads Marxists to know why they're wrong.
Liberal blogs/commentators applauding Milly (and someone else I can't remember) stressing that the Jan 6th rioters were "nazis" like "we fought in world war II"
Anti-capitalist groups appearing next white rage/white nationalist violence in the report on domestic terror.

And many other examples. If this remarkable coincidence between "grassroots antifascism" and the very top of the military and secret services doesn't scare people, I dunno what to say. It's like believing the anti-islam, clash of civilizations sentiment exploding in the media between 1997-2002 was spontaneous and nothing to do with national interests and ideologies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X55JPbAMc9g

This is so brazen, its hard to believe it was put out unaware of the response it would receive.

It seems like a statement of ownership, and branding. We own this way of thinking. We made it. This is ours. And don't forget: ideology doesn't exist.

[dissolute ocelot]

The fucking Guardian article says that the Russians came up with this brilliant plan when Trump was already leading in the Republican primaries. Such foresight and Batmanesque levels of planning, Mr Putin.

[chveik]

This is so brazen, its hard to believe it was put out unaware of the response it would receive.

it makes shitposters look like pure amateurs

[chveik]

The fucking Guardian article says that the Russians came up with this brilliant plan when Trump was already leading in the Republican primaries. Such foresight and Batmanesque levels of planning, Mr Putin.

why didn't Trump lift all the sanctions against Russia if he was Putin's puppet then? it's just batshit that this is still going on in 2021

[Video Game Fan 2000]

Imagine if the thing that has caused humanity to miss climate targets and doom our ecosystem was Barack Obama's stand up comedy humiliating Trump at the Whitehouse press dinner, certainly the event that made Trump decide to take the primaries seriously.

Talk about a bad night! Woof.

[idunnosomename]

donald trump is a wankpuffin

[bgmnts]

From the article
absolute comic book stuff, might as well have mentioned putin's mind control ray gun

I don't see why it is comic book stuff.

[steve98]

Neither do I. A lot of people talkin' in riddles in this thread.

[Zetetic]

The mention - but absence - of appendix five doesn't make much sense.