Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)

[chveik]

Rosie's a real charmer isn't she

https://twitter.com/RosieDuffield1/status/1436276243167580160

Remember when they said they were looking into the last set of complaints about her

elected official for what's supposed to be a social democrat party calling people 'brocialist'

[idunnosomename]

Labour Party going full Seymour Skinner here

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/boris-johnson-social-care-labour-b1915850.html

Starmer getting panned even in the friendlier press for having NOTHING

[king_tubby]

https://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1436396123137130496

UPDATE: Labour say they have *rescinded* the complaint against
@JessicaLBarnard
which it says was issued in error. Party spox: "we apologise unreservedly to Jess for the hurt and upset this has caused".

Incompetence or malice? I'm going for the latter.

[Buelligan]

IMO, clearly, both.  Cunts.

[king_tubby]

Full of spelling mistakes and claimed it was Facebook rather than Twitter, and sent out at 1am. Has Neil Coyle got access to the NEC email account?

[Buelligan]

It's just shocking.  What a bunch of cunts.

Read some tweets earlier on this from this cunt's account https://twitter.com/mckennamfc?lang=en  Apparently, Chair of Middlesbrough Labour (?)  They're protected now but you should've seen the stuff he wrote ugly rather racist remark (aimed at Bastani) and terfy stuff, all smug about Jess Barnard being pushed out of the Party and he's not even that old.  Shameful.

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1436349812513837057

ETA twitter link

[pancreas]

Every fucking day. Something worse than before. Every fucking day.

[king_tubby]

Every fucking day. Something worse than before. Every fucking day.

Not today, pancreas!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58516799

Tax on landlords could help pay for social care, says Keir Starmer

He's gone rogue, the focus groups will be furious.

[jobotic]

Ain't no thing - put the rent up

[Zetetic]

Looking forward to the long shadow of Starmerist anti-landlordism to make Labour unsuitable for office well into the 2030s.

[jobotic]

You need rent controls too and I'm 100% sure that Keith can't go for that.

[NoSleep]

Nothing like using a bandaid on a gaping wound.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/11/labour-leadership-boris-johnson-liar-

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

The poor put upon landlords. What is Sir Starmer of Hearts thinking! RED KEITH's HEAD GONE

I am annoyed at having to note this as a mildly left leaning idea he has actually stated since lying in order to win the leadership.

[The Dog]

You need rent controls too and I'm 100% sure that Keith can't go for that.

Of course, landlords can raise rents whenever they want. I know that's true because I saw a man say it on newsnight. That's why rents are infinite of course.

It's ok though because working tenants can just pass on their costs too by raising their own wages somehow. Remember this is what always happens with costs, they get passed on or something, I saw a man saying it on Newsnight and he was wearing a suit. That's why wages are infinite too.

[jobotic]

What?

[Buelligan]

It's a dogism, I'm thinking, The Dog often posts jokes of this sort.

[Bernice]

What?

The point, I think, is that rents are presently decided by what landlords can charge (based on a calculation of supply and demand), rather than what it costs them to rent. A modest tax increasing those costs won't be passed on to renters, because they are already being charged the highest feasible amount they can be.

Costs being passed on is treated as an inevitability by right-wing commentators to a lot of modest measures - minimum wage, tax increases etc - but it isn't. Dog is doing a reductio ad absurdum on this line of thinking - if rent increases, then people will need more money, the cost will be passed on to employers (who then, presumably, will need to pass on the cost to consumers/clients and so on.)

[Buelligan]

I agree and also highlighting the inability of most renters to pass the cost upwards to employers, perhaps.

If they could pass on the costs of housing, they wouldn't be renting.

[Zetetic]

The determining factors of rent vary considerably across the UK.

In London, for example, rents are broadly capped by renters incomes and have been since maybe 2016 - that's not the case across most of the UK where rents can rise far faster (while eating into renters' disposable income). (And that's what we're seeing in 2021, in sync with house price rises.)

[imitationleather]

If my landlord tried to increase my rent I'd tell him I wasn't having it in my sternest voice.

[Sebastian Cobb]

There's probably some loose relationship to recent mortgage costs but of course for every new btl landlord there's someone who is paying off a mortgage from 10/20 years ago, and some who no longer have mortgages at all.

Keeping an eye on Aberdeen after the arse fell out the oil prices has been interesting, some are as low as 50% of the prices I was looking at when hastily trying to find somewhere to rent in 2014.

But then I guess negative equity and mortgage costs will get some people desperate enough to rent below cost just to soften the blow. Someone I know moved back to Glasgow and wants shot of the place but they can't really afford to sell it, they only really started renting it out to council tenants as they were struggling with renting in Glasgow, paying a mortgage and they'd ran out of free council tax exemption. The council thing was a bit of a nightmare for them I think as the tenant had some changing circumstance which caused the council to recalculate their benefits several times and freeze the rent (which is paid behind rather than up-front). Whole housing system's bollocks.

[The Dog]

The point, I think, is that rents are presently decided by what landlords can charge (based on a calculation of supply and demand), rather than what it costs them to rent. A modest tax increasing those costs won't be passed on to renters, because they are already being charged the highest feasible amount they can be.

Costs being passed on is treated as an inevitability by right-wing commentators to a lot of modest measures - minimum wage, tax increases etc - but it isn't. Dog is doing a reductio and absurdum on this line of thinking - if rent increases, then people will need more money, the cost will be passed on to employers (who then, presumably, will need to pass on the cost to consumers/clients and so on.)

Woof!

[Johnny Yesno]

Thanks jobotic for making Bernice ruin the The Dog kayfabe.

This might shock you but The Dog might not even be a real dog. How would they operate a keyboard?

There. I've said it.

[jobotic]

I don't understand but I'm sorry.

[Johnny Yesno]

I don't understand but I'm sorry.

I'm saying block everyone except for The Dog and Pijlstaart and do exactly what they tell you.

The rest is just noise.

[king_tubby]

I don't think this is going to go away.

https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1436754849727762440

A thread on Barnard.

[Johnny Yesno]

I don't think this is going to go away.

https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1436754849727762440

A thread on Barnard.

Some people in that thread are saying this needs Lukeing into.

[Johnny Yesno]

Also: https://twitter.com/i/status/1436795567963783169 :-D