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Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)

Started by Fambo Number Mive, July 17, 2021, 12:21:42 PM

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Johnny Yesno



Zetetic


Johnny Yesno


Paul Calf

Quote from: Zetetic on July 21, 2021, 04:38:26 PM
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/AnnualReport2020.pdf#page=64
if you believe in the true power of hypertext and URL fragments

I used to but one night I crept down the stairs for a glass of water and overheard my parents laughing and saying "Bless, he still believes in the power of hypertext and URL fragments. We'll have to tell him one day, but let's not destroy the magic just yet," and my heart was broken.


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king_tubby



https://twitter.com/LeftWingSociety/status/1417818847105757189

Mmmm. Might be more pertinent if it weren't anonymous and the SCG (honourable exceptions notwithstanding) made a bit more noise.

Buelligan

Totally agree and if there was any sign whatsoever of any possibility of success.  So far it just seems to be wait until X vote and if they suspend Y, then get angry and when those things happen it's OK, wait until Z vote...

More needed.  Much more and it doesn't help when some of our NEC delegates act like utter twats.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Remaining anonymous is showing the astuteness they reference in the post itself.

It is also completely true.

There aren't enough die hard committed active socialists to make a difference at grassroots level unless something inspires a wider movement of ordinary people (eg. economic collapse) or manages to puncture through the controlling narratives and media firewalls through technology (eg. An international solidarity app).

I will repeat myself from yesterday. Pushing Labour to the left via the membership is the best method by far any left leaning person in the UK has of furthering the delivery of social justice to ordinary people.

If you give up on that then you are both failing to apply logic and missing the fundamental knowledge that socialism is a never ending struggle that is about almost unending defeat, setbacks and conflict due to the inherent nature and power of the system it is intended to replace.

If you aren't on board with that then you can't understand the mindset of the SCG or Labour supporters and sadly socialism slips further and further away, but as individuals you will be safe in the knowledge you were no longer sullied by any sense of association with the organism, like a doctor that won't amputate a limb for fear of being infected themselves.

NoSleep


Zetetic

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 21, 2021, 05:50:09 PM
I will repeat myself from yesterday. Pushing Labour to the left via the membership is the best method by far any left leaning person in the UK has of furthering the delivery of social justice to ordinary people.
Renters unions literally have the receipts at this point that suggest otherwise.

(Yes, they aren't exclusive.)

Paul Calf

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on July 21, 2021, 05:50:09 PM
Remaining anonymous is showing the astuteness they reference in the post itself.

It is also completely true.

There aren't enough die hard committed active socialists to make a difference at grassroots level unless something inspires a wider movement of ordinary people (eg. economic collapse)


We've been in a state of slow-motion economic collapse since 2008. If you're waiting for people to be shocked into action, I hope you're sitting comfortably

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: Paul Calf on July 21, 2021, 06:13:50 PM
We've been in a state of slow-motion economic collapse since 2008. If you're waiting for people to be shocked into action, I hope you're sitting comfortably

Not sure what your knowledge of the word collapse is, but it isn't something that happens in slow motion, and while the 2008 crash and austerity obviously still has done significant damage to people, the worst has been covered over by basically inventing money and reinflating the housing market, and ensuring those at the fringes least likely to vote were those that suffered the most (hence why the Brexit referendum was always a tactical disaster for Cameron). The chasm underneath us gets bigger and more perilous, but for now the magic tricks continue.

I'm talking about year long food shortages, hyperinflation, people from the middle class suddenly not being able to meet basic needs and pay debts. Greece being a recent and geographically close example, where that resulted in Syriza coming to power (but still being bullied by the EU into capitulating).

MoreauVasz

If society collapses, due to food shortages, nobody's going to be turning to the fucking Labour Party.

idunnosomename

Maybe to cut a delicious slice off Sir Kieth's face like a billy bear ham

BlodwynPig

Quote from: MoreauVasz on July 21, 2021, 07:31:46 PM
If society collapses, due to food shortages, nobody's going to be turning to the fucking Labour Party.

It will be the Labour Party that puts us in that mess

chveik


Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: MoreauVasz on July 21, 2021, 07:31:46 PM
If society collapses, due to food shortages, nobody's going to be turning to the fucking Labour Party.

In that event they will vote in literally any alternative the voting system presents (the historic examples are too numerous to require me to cite) and even the absolute crooks, quislings and right wing cunts in the Labour party will be at that point saying whatever it takes and so will the far right. You are usually pretty perceptive to your credit, but I think you should put some more thought into that, this isn't twitter.

Zetetic

"Whatever it takes" will be English nationalism. Political parties in the Anglo-British mould are what they are.

Zetetic

Bayonetting a 12-year-old Myfanwy to death and defiling the corpse. But, you know, for solidarity.

Bernice

The left can only win if they can accurately predict the manner, date and ramifications of capitalism's future collapse.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Quote from: Bernice on July 21, 2021, 08:22:17 PM
The left can only win if they can accurately predict the manner, date and ramifications of capitalism's future collapse.

Maybe, just maybe, we can convince enough mainstream journalists that Keith Starmer has a 'clitcock' or 'chode' or suffers from 'buried penis syndrome'. It would be a shame to throw those who do suffer from those conditions under the proverbial bus but we have international socialism to think about.

jobotic

When I read that Kieth was isolating I thought blimey he's taken that purge all the way ha ha ha

Johnny Yesno

Quote from: king_tubby on July 21, 2021, 05:32:19 PM
Mmmm. Might be more pertinent if it weren't anonymous and the SCG (honourable exceptions notwithstanding) made a bit more noise.

It's John McDonnell.

https://twitter.com/LeftWingSociety/status/1417925685742645251

Couldn't you guess?

pancreas

Actually wondering if we might ask that this thread stop being a sticky.


BlodwynPig

Yes, its a very bland, pacifying statement, with nowt to get enthused by.

MoreauVasz

Quote from: BlodwynPig on July 22, 2021, 07:08:54 AM
Yes, its a very bland, pacifying statement, with nowt to get enthused by.

Nothing specific, nothing tangible, just a sad man at a rubbish party mumbling "Noo... Don' t go, some great people are going to turn up soon, I'm sure it'll pick up soon".

When I said earlier on that the Labour left are a complete shambles, this is the type of thing I was talking about. No vision, no capacity to organise and no leadership. I can understand that McDonnell and Abbott are both getting on and clearly have health issues that prevent them from being all that effective but that's the sign that someone else needs to step up and show some leadership.The torch needs to be passed.

I get that a lot of the younger leftists in PLP are inexperienced, and lack klout. That was obvious at the last leadership election but you this is just depressing.At this point McDonnell isn't encouraging the people who have stayed in the party, he's enabling them in making bad decisions.

Buelligan

I don't blame McDonnell in the least, just as I don't blame anyone here who believes it's right to hang on in and hope.  I've said it before and I believe it, this stuff is personal, it's like love, you can't just will it here or there.  And socialism is partly, love.

I blame the people who, taking all that good faith and love and hope in, put a price on it and sell out their comrades for personal advantage.  Those people wouldn't know love if it came to live with them and that's their loss.

But love abides, it will go on, with or without a home.

Now listen to this hippy-dippy bullshit and remember love will never end.

BlodwynPig


Johnny Yesno