Labour Party: Kieth Stalin: The Gammon Panderer (and Blackpool Cock)

[Buelligan]

There needs to be some proper analysis on how this corruption has arisen and how it can be stopped from happening again, assuming there's ever a chance to rebuild. There are successful left-wing parties in other countries which don't end up making a mockery of their own name. What's the difference? Is it Murdoch?

I think there are myriad reasons, off the back of a fag packet, I'd say that there have always been awful predatory cunts in humanity.  You get them in childrens homes, refugee camps, in charities, anywhere where you'd believe a monster would not dare to tread.  I think many of them target those super-humane banners because it gives them extra power to play their own games.  So there's that, also think where there's muck, there's brass and Labour, by its interest in improving the lot of the exploited becomes a natural target for those on the side of the bosses, the weak are bought.  Also, the good old boys' network, you don't have to even be a boy or an alumni, just an obedient member who shakes the right hands.  Once they have their gatekeepers bought, the rest falls easily.



And, let's be honest, these awful cunts have passed for human for decades, think of Watson.  Creeping on, just below the water line.  It's only this latest push into extreme behaviour, brought about, IMO, by their paymasters' absolute panic that Corbyn might get power, that has forced them to walk so openly in plain sight.  Maybe the difference is, in many other countries, the Establishment has not been pushed as hard yet.

[Zero Gravitas]

There are successful left-wing parties in other countries which don't end up making a mockery of their own name. What's the difference? Is it Murdoch?

Wouldn't it be terrifying if the majority of politically conscious workers found that their views were quite satisfactorily reflected by the Labour Party?

Read that either way and it works.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

https://www.socialist.net/apsana-begum-trial.htm

Interesting reading.

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/02/kkfx-a02.html

I know those of us love fruity, spicy takes and the WSWS provides some absolute belters. They can't stand Corbyn and he is complicit in mass murder and unswerving allegiance to the right wing of the Tory party. This is through the keyhole and into one's own ringpiece.

[jobotic]

We could always read The S*n instead

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2021/08/wes-streetings-sun-shame.html?m=1

[idunnosomename]

God he is such a smug unprincipled bucket of piss

[Fambo Number Mive]

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/02/kkfx-a02.html

I know those of us love fruity, spicy takes and the WSWS provides some absolute belters. They can't stand Corbyn and he is complicit in mass murder and unswerving allegiance to the right wing of the Tory party. This is through the keyhole and into one's own ringpiece.

I like how their conclusion isn't that people should join the Socialist Equality Party, but that they should send them an email.

Scripps stood in 2019 for the SEP.

On the other hand, I though this was a good article by  Thomas Scripps for WSWS: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/13/mich-j13.html

[idunnosomename]

https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1422522446700335107

lock them up! lock them all up! lock everybody up!

[Buelligan]

It's time, once again, to get tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime

Time, once again, because it went so awfully well all the times before.  Fucking charlatan.

[Quote]

It's time once again to go through the vanishingly small repertoire of political strategies we've deemed acceptable. And if it doesn't work, well tough shit, that's all you're gonna get.

[Buelligan]

That's the utterly soul-draining thing about it isn't it?  This rosy-cheeked nit-wit poncing about telling you that the butter him and his mates have been selling to you at exorbitant prices for the last two or three generations, will actually cure your poor baldy pate if you rub in on every fucking day.  And them expecting you to just go, Righto! Ta, you marvelous fucking egg! and cough up again.

[Quote]

It's why they're so focused to winning back the red wall pensioners, as they're the ones most likely to respond to the kind of politics they like doing anyway, and would keep doing even if no one voted for it.

"Wes Streeting is writing a column in the Sun - see purity politics lefty trot crank scum, he's serious about getting elected, willing to make the sacrifices, reaching out to the voters..." No, Wes would be writing about locking them up and throwing away the key in the pages of the Sun anyway, he's spent the last few years stewing in his own juices that he hasn't been able to do so.

[imitationleather]

Have they started saying it's time to send all the immigrants back yet?

[Shoulders?-Stomach!]

I like how their conclusion isn't that people should join the Socialist Equality Party, but that they should send them an email.

Scripps stood in 2019 for the SEP.

On the other hand, I though this was a good article by  Thomas Scripps for WSWS: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/13/mich-j13.html

WSWS oscillate between fantastic and ludicrously arch and pathetic, pretty much the only reason why I follow them is they are never dull and you get the envelope pushed further left than the likes of Novara dare to go (outside of academic discussions).

[Pink Gregory]

Tough on Crime, Tough on the Causes of Crime.  But not that tough on thr Causes of Crime, if we're honest.  We're in the same ideological lane as the causes of crime.  When you think about it, if we were tough on the causes of crime, that'd make being tough on crime redundant, really.

Ahhh 1999...

[Fambo Number Mive]

Someone like Streeting saying they will "get tough on the causes of crime" is meaningless unless they say what they believe the causes of crime actually are. There are many different reasons why crimes take place and sometimes there isn't a discernible reason, but there are clearly things that can be done in the short and long term to reduce the risk of crime. However, I wouldn't trust Starmar to implement them.

Two ways of reducing crime are to make sure that people don't have to steal to make ends meet and to give people things to do. Buying up land to convert into sports pitches for local state schools and local communities would be one idea (a tax on golf clubs could help fund this).

[Consignia]

Starmer: Tough on four, tough on the clauses of four

[jobotic]

Fucking guarantee that poverty is not a cause of crime in their eyes.

Or greed for that matter.

Both are essential to a thriving society only the posturing hard-left would pretend otherwise.

[pigamus]

Tough on Crime, Tough on the Causes of Crime.  But not that tough on thr Causes of Crime, if we're honest.  We're in the same ideological lane as the causes of crime.  When you think about it, if we were tough on the causes of crime, that'd make being tough on crime redundant, really.

Ahhh 1999...

I know Prince went through some experimental phases but this is a bit weird

[idunnosomename]

Lmao cunt thinks he's Tony Benn

https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1422850284569735171

Not that Benn was perfect, but also I don't think he ever had a column in The Sun and it's not clear where that quote is sourced from

[Thomas]

it's not clear where that quote is sourced from

It's from one of Benn's diaries.

[Buelligan]

It's almost as if he were invoking the beliefs of some sort of cult, rather than responding to very real concerns over paldom with The Cunt Murdoch and his filthy organ, The Sun.

[idunnosomename]

It's from one of Benn's diaries.

thanks. although they left out the point where he said he'd think about it then didnt do it

[Fambo Number Mive]

The only left-wing Labour MP I know who wrote for the Sun was Ken Livingstone. He began a column in the Sun in 1991, not sure when it ended.

[Sebastian Cobb]

I guess Livingstone's political career has ended so he'll go anywhere that'll massage his ego for a couple of minutes.

[pigamus]

thanks. although they left out the point where he said he'd think about it then didnt do it

Why not, out of interest?

[idunnosomename]

What the quoter or Tony Benn?

I would never work with the Sun on the principle that they are callously exploitative and fully intent on begging their readership not to vote for Corbyn or even Neil Kinnock as soon as an election comes, and then gloat how they've brilliantly made the country that little bit nastier.

[pigamus]

I meant why did Benn decide against it in the end - I'm surprised he even thought about it tbh - he was probably shocked to be asked!

[Buelligan]

There needs to be some proper analysis on how this corruption has arisen and how it can be stopped from happening again, assuming there's ever a chance to rebuild. There are successful left-wing parties in other countries which don't end up making a mockery of their own name. What's the difference? Is it Murdoch?

Still thinking about this - people could do worse than watch Days of Hope by the irreplaceable Mr Ken Loach (PBUH), it gives some thoughts about what the Labour Party is and has been and the unions too.  It's not all just beer and skittles.  Find it on youtube here, you need to watch all four. 

[Paul Calf]

The death of John Smith - although it's very rarely talked about these days - was a massive, pivotal event in British politics.