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Spitting Image trending on Twitter due to racial controversy

Started by Retinend, July 24, 2021, 05:38:05 PM

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Autopsy Turvey

Quote from: Bernice on July 26, 2021, 03:06:00 PM
I doubt it.

We'll never know eh. Anyone else who can't regulate their emotions or rationalise their own arrogant simplistic opinions by all means pop me on a babyish ignore list, then you'll never see which Monty Python fluffs I've flagged up and your lives will be happier and more fulfilled.

Utter Shit

Quote from: Ballad of Ballard Berkley on July 26, 2021, 03:00:17 PM
Had to come back to this, as it's fucked me off so much. You're such a nasty, stupid, bigoted cunt. Constantly arguing in bad faith and - when you can be bothered - hiding behind a disingenous veil of "Who, me? Why, I think you'll find..." innocence.

So much for the tolerant left! Yeah, right. Fuck off.

Does that suffice as an objection, cunt?

Spot on. He's a boring, obnoxious idiot. Thank you to Famous Mortimer for pointing out the ignore function.

PlanktonSideburns

Quote from: Autopsy Turvey on July 26, 2021, 05:00:05 PM
We'll never know eh. Anyone else who can't regulate their emotions or rationalise their own arrogant simplistic opinions by all means pop me on a babyish ignore list, then you'll never see which Monty Python fluffs I've flagged up and your lives will be happier and more fulfilled.
No u

Autopsy Turvey

Quote from: robotam on July 26, 2021, 03:30:33 PM
No, lipsink said
which seems to suggest that what a persons principles are should be taken into account. That someone believing in something isn't necessarily a reason to mock them. It depends what the something is.

And whether or not he/you/they/we agree with them. We should be aware of the flaws in every public figurehead and set of beliefs, and none of them is above ridicule.

Weird issue to blow up so melodramatically this, as on the issue of the Rashford puppet I am in two minds. But if they had made the skin lighter and lips thinner, might there not have been an equally furious barrage of idpol zealots on Twitter accusing Fluck & Law of 'erasing his Blackness'? Obviously though, we're at the end of a decade-long cycle of social media derangement and meaningful communication between humans is up shit creek, so these are difficult questions.

Kankurette

I think someone's rattled.
Quote from: Glyn on July 26, 2021, 04:25:08 PM
Or any other industry for that matter. The interesting thing about footballers is that on a weekly basis,in public and being jeered by thousands,  they have to perform to the highest level and if they can't they will quickly find themselves in a lower paid position. Wonder how many people would sink or swim if the same applied to their jobs. A lot of the barriers into other industries (who your dad was, which school you went to etc,) don't mean a huge amount in football ,they can help you get started but if you just can't play then you won't get very far. This is why black kids from council estates can play for England but would never get to be bankers/judges/politicians . It's also why a lot of people who believe that 'money should stay with money' absolutely hate it with a passion.

I have had this argument with many friends and family who say that footballers are overpaid and have never had a sensible answer to the question 'and who else should get the money that fans pay to watch football?'. You can argue that more should go into tax or charity but let's discuss what agents, Sky, club owners etc get paid first and then we can talk about what the actual players get paid in their short careers.
Exactly. Look at Jack Wilshere - he went from Arsenal's next big thing to playing non-league football. Your career can so easily go down the pan. The Messis and Ronaldos of this world are rare beasts. And then there's all the kids who never make it in the first place.

People focus too much on the players. They seem to think that players should be docked wages if they lose a game or don't show enough 'passion' or whatever (and Wednesday players didn't get paid, and let's just say it didn't help their performances) or should refund their ticket money if their team gets walloped. It's always on the players and not the money men. You always get people asking Newcastle fans why the hell they keep spending money on season tickets if they hate Ashley so much.

Tennis players and F1 drivers are both loaded (and that's not a dig at Hamilton btw). But they never get called overpaid the way footballers do. And yes, I wonder if the fact that football has a large black contingent has something to do with it. Not Asian though, for some reason, and I never understand why because where I live, there are loads of Asian fans.

chveik

Quote from: Kankurette on July 26, 2021, 06:30:32 PM
Tennis players and F1 drivers are both loaded (and that's not a dig at Hamilton btw). But they never get called overpaid the way footballers do. And yes, I wonder if the fact that football has a large black contingent has something to do with it. Not Asian though, for some reason, and I never understand why because where I live, there are loads of Asian fans.

tennis players certainly do. look at what happened when Osaka dared to mention her mental health issues

Kankurette

I wonder if part of that is the same reason so many people are down on Rashford. And yeah, I should probably mention Serena Williams. She always gets it in the neck. Mumsnet hate her.

Barry Admin

Quote from: Autopsy Turvey on July 26, 2021, 06:15:02 PM
Weird issue to blow up so melodramatically this, as on the issue of the Rashford puppet I am in two minds. But if they had made the skin lighter and lips thinner, might there not have been an equally furious barrage of idpol zealots on Twitter accusing Fluck & Law of 'erasing his Blackness'? Obviously though, we're at the end of a decade-long cycle of social media derangement and meaningful communication between humans is up shit creek, so these are difficult questions.

I'll be honest and say I don't really understand the outrage you've provoked - could just be that I'm exhausted. I do agree Greta Thunberg (for example) is not above being a comedy target, and I think Will Franken's set is phenomenal - partly because she's a sacred cow. Thunberg's young, but she's also a public figure, and she's had some pretty nasty stuff said about her, which is a shame.

Looking back at your post, I'd say this notion - which you've repeated in the post I'm replying to - is likely what put people's backs up...

QuoteHowever, they have made Rashford look blacker than he is, which is odd. Perhaps they were worried about a backlash if he didn't look black enough?

...because it's silly.

'We'd better make this puppet look a bit more racist so we don't upset all the people who are really upset by racism.'

Huh.

Plus I also just see sooooo much of this blame-shifting of late, online, and think it's mostly disengenous, agenda-driven politicised nonsense.

Autopsy Turvey

Hopefully I've clarified that in the post above. Even if nobody was going to be offended if his puppet looked 'too white', might there have been a concern about that in the design stage? With the hyper-awareness of racialised issues that no one can have missed, might that be more feasible than complete ignorance on the matter from a well-funded modern media organisation?

Kankurette

It was more the 'loads of cunts have principles too' thing that got my back up. So what, it's better not to have principles because Hitler did? That and the 'ahhh but Rashford is a corporate whore ahhh' reminds me way too much of those Mumsnet cunts who slag him off for being too 'woke', and the Spectator trying to do a hatchet job on him. And, like I said, because I see this shit from football fans ALL. THE. TIME. Like, I'm surprised Everton fans haven't criticised Richarlison for his BLM support.

It's also a sore point with me because I live in the area where the mural is. It's walking distance from my house, I'm one of the people who posted a message on it. Sneer about idpol all you want, but I thought you guys were about working-class/interracial solidarity? Well, you have it right here in Withington, surely? The mural has brought people together. There were all kinds of people laying messages. I don't think some of you realise just how loved he is here and what a huge kick in the teeth it was seeing that mural defaced. A lot of us are proud of him.

Over and out. I've said my piece and it's pointless anyway. Hi ho.

Barry Admin

Quote from: Autopsy Turvey on July 26, 2021, 07:07:26 PM
Hopefully I've clarified that in the post above. Even if nobody was going to be offended if his puppet looked 'too white', might there have been a concern about that in the design stage? With the hyper-awareness of racialised issues that no one can have missed, might that be more feasible than complete ignorance on the matter from a well-funded modern media organisation?

Nah.

dissolute ocelot

There's no way Spitting Image did this without thinking about the reaction. There was a big racism storm about the show last September. Did they think "Ah but Rashford isn't controversial, nobody's ever got upset about anything to do with him"?

Either they don't care about the fuss and hope nobody will notice, or they're using this for free publicity. I have a pretty good idea which is true. The audience for Zombie Spitting image is going to be people who remember it from the 80s, so it's going to be people aged at least 45 or over. It's not woke young snowflakes. I'd guess it's somewhere between the demographics of Private Eye, Have I Got News For You, and GB News. Lots of middle-aged white men who hate all politicians and celebrities and like Farage and Clarkson and Boris (ignoring any contradictions).

chveik

Quote from: Barry Admin on July 26, 2021, 06:48:18 PM
I'll be honest and say I don't really understand the outrage you've provoked - could just be that I'm exhausted. I do agree Greta Thunberg (for example) is not above being a comedy target, and I think Will Franken's set is phenomenal - partly because she's a sacred cow. Thunberg's young, but she's also a public figure, and she's had some pretty nasty stuff said about her, which is a shame.

is she really though? she inspires abuse, condescension, and more often than not meaningless praise, since the media that made her an icon don't tend to actually listen to what she's been saying.

Retinend

So in summary. What happened here? I imagine that, after the rubberwork was all finished (combining distributed racism at work across the various artists involved), they did a silent cost/benefit analysis and decided that the puppet was racist enough to offend and therefore go viral, but also accurate enough to garner pushback to that antiracism. So free publicity, in the worst case.

It was either that or spend loads more money than they had planned, and TV shows like this have tight budgets, I'd bet.

That doesn't change the fact I'm looking forward to series 2 of the reboot. Series 1 was unfairly maligned on here.

Natnar

I'm surprised that there wasn't a Rashford puppet in last years series.

H-O-W-L



lb99

Quote from: Natnar on July 27, 2021, 09:13:21 AM
I'm surprised that there wasn't a Rashford puppet in last years series.

There was - it's not a new puppet.