World is still fucked

[Buelligan]

Yes well there are lots of things out there that people would do best to avoid but they don't they go onto forums and talk about them; that is life isn't it (I mean me listening to the radio for 5 minutes whilst in the car is low hanging fruit really in the grand scheme of twitter outrage and Kieth baiting). 

I also think you might have been taking my previous post a little literally regarding O'Briens behaviour, he is just symptomatic of our situation at the moment.  Overly emotional narcissistic bullies parading as the consciousness of the left, completely blind to their own double standards and trenchant behaviours whilst keen to project them on everyone as if these lesser beings don't have fucking eyes, ears or memories.  They are a big problem because they occupy and choke out leftwing spaces with their self indulgent gas-lighting and cry-bullying.........whilst the world gets more and more fucked.

Well you'd know about cry-bullying trenter.  You and your little BJ pals.  You fucking mad disingenuous cunts.  Gloves are off matey, now.  Heheh, you've had your rope.

[bgmnts]

Never heard of cry bulying before.

I think i've learnt so many new terms in the past couple of years than in the previous twenty.

[Paul Calf]

Going back to James O'Brien for a minute; you'll notice he really cares about all your typical lefty concerns it is just massively convenient that they dove tail with him getting to be the moral ombudsman on them all and use them to be utterly vile to people that he doesn't perceive to be up to his standards.  A standard that is little more than a narcissist ego created out of looking down on people and getting people to look up to him for his saintliness.  He can dominate the conversation by being hyper-emotional and asking moral questions of us all.  It has the trick of keeping him "relevant", "committed" but also, it is useful for distracting from "his lifestyle" or any criticism of himself.  This is a major sign of narcissism, the inability to reflect on oneself, that is for the little people, it seems to actively disgust narcissists to have to do it themselves, to be in someway the same as other people through ones faults.  It's why they rarely if ever apologise and when they do it is a has to be a "big thing" (and ultimately about their sacrifice in having to say sorry).

He is however very infectious, lots of people fall for it, I know I did at first, but then it started dawning on me what is actually going on here, this is just about him and the management of his ego.  Pay attention enough and you soon start seeing the insincerity, the slight of hand, the double-standards.  They might not be directed at you, play the game and you are quite safe but he is also very quick to turn aggressive when feeling threatened; and as with all bullies they always need to have someone bully, a canvas to work on as it were.  Right-wingers are particularly handy here, but without such people to echo off he will of course find someone else less deserving to attack.  He needs to do it to survive it seems.

I think there is a little bit of O'Brien in all of us, a certain amount of righteous indignation is, in the main, useful but out of hand it can be highly toxic.

Now and again, when he complained about the Tory government on Twitter, I'd mention how he probably had buyer's remorse as he'd put a considerable amount of effort into ensuring that they won the 2017 and 2019 elections.

He blocked me.

I was quite surprised as I didn't imagine he'd bother reading the replies.

[TrenterPercenter]

Just thinking about this again.

Pay attention enough and you soon start seeing the insincerity, the slight of hand, the double-standards.  They might not be directed at you, play the game and you are quite safe but he is also very quick to turn aggressive when feeling threatened; and as with all bullies they always need to have someone bully, a canvas to work on as it were.  Right-wingers are particularly handy here, but without such people to echo off he will of course find someone else less deserving to attack. 

I should of added to this about playing victim; O'Brien does this all the time.  He'll talk about how people are rude to him yet can't seem to remember all of the times he called people names himself or went on big bullying rants on others.  Projection is absolutely standard.   It's an interesting question in psychology whether narcissists actually can remember their own behaviours or not, I suppose the latter implies it is more of an illness but imo it is more likely learned behaviour.  Like psychopaths they learn they can get away with things, they manipulate those around them and rely on others not calling them out, then guard this with aggression and emotional blackmail, this process teaches them that the can live in a different reality to others and they become reliant on their own sense of righteous to keep all the pieces in place.

I'm not suggesting O'Brien shouldn't have a radio show, just that we should demand more from our self proclaimed representatives.

[TrenterPercenter]

Now and again, when he complained about the Tory government on Twitter, I'd mention how he probably had buyer's remorse as he'd put a considerable amount of effort into ensuring that they won the 2017 and 2019 elections.

He blocked me.

I was quite surprised as I didn't imagine he'd bother reading the replies.

Of course he does it's all about him and his ego; just like with narcissists and their memories he is blocking people that can give a counter narrative to his ego; it can't exist; you got a bit of dirt on his shiny sense of elitist morality and that can't be allowed to happen.

[Kankurette]

Just thinking about this again.

I should of added to this about playing victim; O'Brien does this all the time.  He'll talk about how people are rude to him yet can't seem to remember all of the times he called people names himself or went on big bullying rants on others.  Projection is absolutely standard.   It's an interesting question in psychology whether narcissists actually can remember their own behaviours or not, I suppose the latter implies it is more of an illness but imo it is more likely learned behaviour.  Like psychopaths they learn they can get away with things, they manipulate those around them and rely on others not calling them out, then guard this with aggression and emotional blackmail, this process teaches them that the can live in a different reality to others and they become reliant on their own sense of righteous to keep all the pieces in place.

I'm not suggesting O'Brien shouldn't have a radio show, just that we should demand more from our self proclaimed representatives.

Always the victims. Never their fault.

(If Butternut or James is reading this, no, this is not a dig at Liverpool fans. I'm thinking more of those annoying little twats in certain fandom spaces, anime or whatever, who tell people to kill themselves and are absolutely heinous, but then cry when people give it back.)

[Buelligan]

Of course he does it's all about him and his ego; just like with narcissists and their memories he is blocking people that can give a counter narrative to his ego; it can't exist; you got a bit of dirt on his shiny sense of elitist morality and that can't be allowed to happen.

Thank god for IGNORE.

[Sherringford Hovis]

This thread is making me very sad; a bitter microcosm of why the world is fucked, and even perfunctory attempts towards de-fucking it are doomed.

The tardigrades shall inherit the earth.

[Kankurette]

The subject of energy actually does interest me cos it was my dad's field. He wrote a lot about nuclear power. My personal take on it is that I don't like it because of Fukushima and Chernobyl and the fact the waste takes so long to break down, but what plausible alternatives do we have? I mean, I'm all for hydroelectric, solar and wind farms but how effective would they be in the UK?

I don't think wind farms are ugly. They look like giant versions of those plastic windmills toddlers like. I would not object to living near one.

[TrenterPercenter]

Always the victims. Never their fault.

I heard him again the other day talking about how this ex-nurse anti-vaxxer behaviour is putting public sector workers at risk with these exaggerated disingenuous claims.  I've said before on here but I got attacked once (dislocated shoulder, kicked in the head, and chunk bitten out of my arm) on a night out by a guy that hated public sector workers and especially those in MH as why should his money go to these "leftwing socialist" causes when we could just shoot people instead. 

O'Brien's anti-leftism of the Corbyn era absolutely mirrored what this lad was going on about; he fed into conspiracy bollocks because he didn't have the person leading the Labour Party that he wanted and he didn't give two fucks about the consequences; Corbyn was literally having pictures of his face fired at by squaddies and was on far-right hit lists but he still regularly brought his listeners to fever pitch about Corbyns dangerous leftwing mind.

He isn't wrong about the anti-vax nurse, and this were the problem lies, he is just the wrong person to be talking about it all he isn't a good example of a moral person; he thinks he is but his behaviour shows otherwise. The question is why can't he see this himself.

[TrenterPercenter]

The subject of energy actually does interest me cos it was my dad's field. He wrote a lot about nuclear power. My personal take on it is that I don't like it because of Fukushima and Chernobyl and the fact the waste takes so long to break down, but what plausible alternatives do we have? I mean, I'm all for hydroelectric, solar and wind farms but how effective would they be in the UK?

I don't think wind farms are ugly. They look like giant versions of those plastic windmills toddlers like. I would not object to living near one.

I think we need nuclear for the time being whilst we continue to diversify and built up alternatives; there is nothing not-leftwing about that view.

[Kankurette]

Fucking hell, that is horrific. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Imagine beating someone up for working in mental health. I mean, I value the work of people like you. I had a wonderful therapist last year who really helped me.

I admit I've not heard O'Brien's shows but what I've heard about them on here does not make me want to listen to them. He honestly sounds no better than your average shock jock.

[TrenterPercenter]

Fucking hell, that is horrific. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Imagine beating someone up for working in mental health. I mean, I value the work of people like you. I had a wonderful therapist last year who really helped me.

On the upside if you work in MH units you get Hep B and C jabs anyway so I was protected from any of the really grim stuff from the bite.  Thanks for the kind words.  As it happens I was left with a bit of PTSD which actually was quite informative to my work and made me look into the impact of trauma more - I'm not saying it was good thing to have happened but I'm generally quite good at finding the positives in amongst the shit.

[Kankurette]

Did you get prioritised for your COVID jab as well? I ask cos one of my cousins works in a PRU and he got his jabs early - he's a little older than me - because the kids there don't always socially distance and some of them can be a bit aggressive. I don't think he's been bitten but he has had stuff thrown at him.

[TrenterPercenter]

Did you get prioritised for your COVID jab as well? I ask cos one of my cousins works in a PRU and he got his jabs early - he's a little older than me - because the kids there don't always socially distance and some of them can be a bit aggressive. I don't think he's been bitten but he has had stuff thrown at him.

Yes all NHS staff were mandated to have their jabs from around Dec 2020 think I got my first end of Jan.

All teachers should have been prioritised along with key workers - I've still no idea how or why this didn't happen (utter disgrace).

[chveik]

I also think you might have been taking my previous post a little literally regarding O'Briens behaviour

nah i can read between the lines but i'd rather not to, this is too childish

[Kankurette]

What exactly is his political position? Is he a centrist or one of those moderate left types?

[Cold Meat Platter]

What exactly is his political position? Is he a centrist or one of those moderate left types?

Adult in the room.

[Chollis]

What exactly is his political position? Is he a centrist or one of those moderate left types?

Centrist incarnate

[TrenterPercenter]

What exactly is his political position? Is he a centrist or one of those moderate left types?

On the outside he is a gushing lefty and an angry one.  On the inside a liberal public school boy with the hots for Blair.

His party piece is being able to talk angrily about left-wing concerns (largely identity politics) so that other left-wingers think he is some kind of radical, but in reality he is just paid to do it and to his credit is good at it.

[Kankurette]

Thanks. I thought as much.

[Shit Good Nose]

I mean, I'm all for hydroelectric, solar and wind farms but how effective would they be in the UK?

They are very effective to the point where some suppliers are able to offer 100% green (i.e. no nuclear in the mix) to a lot of domestic customers and micro businesses, and a chunk of the small to medium and muliti-site business sector (a ways off being able to offer it for industry though).

Hydro and wind are particularly effective as they're going 24/7/365 (in the case of wind there will be the occasional day or two where there isn't enough breeze to get them going, but we're talking such an infrequent event it's almost not worth counting them), BUT they come with their problems.  The issues with installation of turbines has already been mentioned, but most of the nature will grow back.  Hydro has different problems - it can be permanently destructive to natural habitats which obviously has a knock-on effect with other wildlife not resident in those habitats, which is why tidal power hasn't really been exploited in the UK.  In rivers too it can destroy breeding grounds and stop migratory fish like salmon, trout and eels, with trout and eels being quite a big part of the food chain for other animals (and eels are already at dangerously low levels in many UK water courses).

Solar is seen as largely a contributory solution only, as it obviously relies on something that doesn't occur 24/7, is seasonal and not exactly something we see that much of in relative terms.  You can cover entire buildings with PV panels, but most of those buildings will still require some power from the grid at some point.  Obviously you've got your solar farms, but then there's the problem of where to put them - developers would be looking at most brownfield land for houses and businesses, which then leaves greenbelt - take your pick from farmland, public land, environmentally sensitive areas, etc - and then the same issues with wind farms RE installation, connecting to the grid and where is the nearest main (and is that main capable of handling the load).

[All Surrogate]

Do you want to make me so unhappy I go out and kill myself?

Of course not.

I want to try to point out that nuclear power is really the only game in town at the moment to reliably replace fossil fuel power while maintaining or even expanding a decent standard of living.

[Mr_Simnock]

.... on ignore, why don't you or do I live, rent free, in your shit-stirring obsessive head? 

Heheh.  Why don't you just leave me alone, eh?  You can't, can you, you and your litt....

[jobotic]

Now and again, when he complained about the Tory government on Twitter, I'd mention how he probably had buyer's remorse as he'd put a considerable amount of effort into ensuring that they won the 2017 and 2019 elections.

He blocked me.

I was quite surprised as I didn't imagine he'd bother reading the replies.

Try pointing that out BTL on the Guardian under a Hyde or Crace piece. Gone in nanoseconds.

[Buelligan]

Heheh.  It's like a rollcall of turgidity[nb]jobotic obvs not included.[/nb].

[Barry Admin]

What the actual fuck is going on in this thread?

[Barry Admin]

All this crap has to stop here and now. I don't have enough time at the minute to follow all these fights.

If you can't stand someone, put them on ignore, then leave it there, don't continue trying to stir.

All this fighting stops here and now.

[Pink Gregory]

Does O'Brien's time on the radio line up with Down the Line being made?   Because all I could think of reading Trenter's post was a slightly more hateful Gary Bellamy.  I know he's supposed to be a typical talk radio host but it just seems like a very pronounced similarity to O'Brien's shtick in particular.

[TrenterPercenter]

Does O'Brien's time on the radio line up with Down the Line being made?   Because all I could think of reading Trenter's post was a slightly more hateful Gary Bellamy.  I know he's supposed to be a typical talk radio host but it just seems like a very pronounced similarity to O'Brien's shtick in particular.

Down the Line is before but I absolutely see Bellamy and Partridge (for that matter) in O'Brien 100%. 

Interestingly enough he used to present a comedy radio show https://www.comedy.co.uk/podcasts/no_pressure_to_be_funny/