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The Next UK Government... That Isn’t the Tories

Started by Kelvin, July 31, 2021, 03:24:19 PM

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ZoyzaSorris


ZoyzaSorris



The Dog

Think they'll lose to a sophisticated algorithm in the late 2040s, but then the algorithm government will collapse when its log file grows too large and overwrites a primary school. After that we'll all run our own simulated governments on our own tablets.

An tSaoi

Permanent Tory rule. They appeal to every major English sensibility: snobbery, greed, xenophobia, lying. And they're publicly against the things the English hate, like PC gone mad, elf n safety, red tape, the truth. They can't lose. If the public starts to get sick of them, they can continue to blame the bitter EU, and move farther right. There are still so many progressive policies than can be undone, and so many right wing fantasy projects to be teased. Fish and chips in a real newspaper with proper British ink. All benefits to be stopped. Send them back, keep them out. Bringing back hanging will be the big one.

Blue passports were just the beginning.

Buelligan

Heheh, I can actually picture it, The Great British Circle Hanging Jerk with Egg Wallace. 

Shit Good Nose

Quote from: An tSaoi on August 02, 2021, 02:19:13 PM
Permanent Tory rule. They appeal to every major English sensibility: snobbery, greed, xenophobia, lying. And they're publicly against the things the English hate, like PC gone mad, elf n safety, red tape, the truth. They can't lose. If the public starts to get sick of them, they can continue to blame the bitter EU, and move farther right. There are still so many progressive policies than can be undone, and so many right wing fantasy projects to be teased. Fish and chips in a real newspaper with proper British ink. All benefits to be stopped. Send them back, keep them out. Bringing back hanging will be the big one.

Blue passports were just the beginning.

Well that's it in a nutshell isn't it.  Just permanently different shades of blue forever more, because the other parties know they won't get any traction at all with anyone who is too far removed from the party run by and populated with lovingly eccentric buffoons and comedy wizards.

An tSaoi

I forgot to mention complete immunity for soldiers committing murder and other war crimes. That one's actually happening already. Very popular with Daily Mail and Express readers, ie the electorate.

Patel's pro dealth penalty. It's on the way. When Scotland leaves you're all in for it.

Oh I've just thought of one: no naturalisation without serving in the armed forces. "Service guarantees citizenship". It even has the snappy 3-word format that Boris loves.


Mr_Simnock


Fambo Number Mive

Channel 4 being bought by the people behind GB News and broadcasting the latest executions. "Residents of Scarborough have turned out tonight to watch a local being executed by firing squad for protesting about climate change. You can see the hot dog stands, free from EU red tape to have whatever percentage of British meat in their sausages as they want, and over there is the warm up act, one of our local comedians, just finishing another joke about the traitor Jeremy Corbyn"

And no matter how much Starmer goes along with it, it will never be enough for the gammon. "You think that all council toilets should be closed and the money used to erect a statue of Laurence Fox enjoying a pint of Fosters? Well, my Labour party would not only support that but call for t-shirts with Laurence Fox quotes to be sold in schools to raise money for textbooks. Children these days need to earn the basic implements of education."

Shoulders?-Stomach!

Eventually, despite encountering great obstacles, some people will arrive in charge of Labour, from whichever wing, that realise that this pathetic self-flagellation and focus grouping is weak and greatly unappealing, that voters are already begging to be led and to be given the inner belief and strength to be optimistic, to have purpose and belonging, to be part of a new (or newly branded) cause.

Labour's perennial choice is whether to say fuck the MSM and the Establishment: we're going to be a people funded movement, or, to try and negotiate peace terms by effectively disarming itself as a revolutionary entity and allowing big money donors to call the shots which means continuity capitalism until the floods come.

The latter shows how we don't live in a democracy but a two tier society where those at the top aggressively and forcefully resist any attempt to reform their criminal behaviour up to and including mass murder. The two party system enables and enshrines that and it needs to die.

Shit Good Nose

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 02, 2021, 05:20:19 PM
Eventually, despite encountering great obstacles, some people will arrive in charge of Labour, from whichever wing, that realise that this pathetic self-flagellation and focus grouping is weak and greatly unappealing, that voters are already begging to be led and to be given the inner belief and strength to be optimistic, to have purpose and belonging, to be part of a new (or newly branded) cause.

Labour's perennial choice is whether to say fuck the MSM and the Establishment: we're going to be a people funded movement, or, to try and negotiate peace terms by effectively disarming itself as a revolutionary entity and allowing big money donors to call the shots which means continuity capitalism until the floods come.

Like I said - different shade of blue.  I can't see a possibility for anything else.  I mean BJ could probs murder a child with the help of some other high ranking tories and they'd get away with it.

jamiefairlie

Quote from: Shoulders?-Stomach! on August 02, 2021, 05:20:19 PM
Eventually, despite encountering great obstacles, some people will arrive in charge of Labour, from whichever wing, that realise that this pathetic self-flagellation and focus grouping is weak and greatly unappealing, that voters are already begging to be led and to be given the inner belief and strength to be optimistic, to have purpose and belonging, to be part of a new (or newly branded) cause.

Labour's perennial choice is whether to say fuck the MSM and the Establishment: we're going to be a people funded movement, or, to try and negotiate peace terms by effectively disarming itself as a revolutionary entity and allowing big money donors to call the shots which means continuity capitalism until the floods come.

The latter shows how we don't live in a democracy but a two tier society where those at the top aggressively and forcefully resist any attempt to reform their criminal behaviour up to and including mass murder. The two party system enables and enshrines that and it needs to die.

The scary thing is that I can see a likely future where an Oswald Mosley type figure (you can argue Blair wasn't too far off) comes along selling a popular socialism message but couched in putting the British working class first.

Shoulders?-Stomach!

#73
A Poland/Hungary right-wing anti-woke English nationalist movement that sells itself on protectionism and traditional values (while being completely cronyist and corrupt in the background) is inevitable. The body of people to form that movement exists, it has emerged from Blair-era into the Austerity/Brexit decade but has become rudderless since Brexit was enacted and the remains of disparate movements and the ERG/hawk wing of the Tory party that could give them voice is currently being gatekeeped by the Tory establishment. Johnson's conversion was always tactical and totally cynical. He/The Tories may adjust further to incorporate some more of that, it is certainly a way of maintaining popularity in the 'Red Wall' seats.

So poor ol' Keith might find himself outflanked by Johnson actually putting forward 3 or 4 more progressive headline social policies than he does, so desperate is Keith to allow Labour to be 'trusted with the economy' that he is painting himself into the beigest nothingest corner. Labour are about to respond to a global pandemic and a climate crisis by offering congratulatory lollipops for nurses who do extra shifts and brave boy medals for special constables. And half of it isn't even rational or evidence-based, it is purely to make a point at the Left.


TrenterPercenter

Quote from: jamiefairlie on August 02, 2021, 05:41:49 PM
The scary thing is that I can see a likely future where an Oswald Mosley type figure (you can argue Blair wasn't too far off) comes along selling a popular socialism message but couched in putting the British working class first.

Errrr, I think I know what you mean but that is good isn't it (as long as the British working class includes everyone and not just white people).

Blair was nothing like Mosley.  Blair wasn't a fascist he was a neo-liberal. 

Serious question do people know what fascism means? This word keeps getting used a lot on here but it is a distinct ideology; one that removes all opposition to it by force.  It doesn't sit in democratic elections once it has been elected.  There are quite a few problems with labelling erroneously everything as fascist with one of the big ones being it actively helps fascists gain power.

Buelligan

Would it help if we just call Blair a monstrous murdering cunt?  #notallfascists

chveik


Paul Calf

The authoritarianism that's heading our way will be different from Naziism, different from Stalinism - it's further right than either. There will be no social programmes - they'll all be cut. Nazis would kill the disabled and homeless but these neolib auths will imprison people for feeding them. What they have in common is eugenics. They just have different ways of achieving it. For now.

Quote from: TrenterPercenter on August 02, 2021, 07:04:25 PM


Serious question do people know what fascism means? This word keeps getting used a lot on here but it is a distinct ideology; one that removes all opposition to it by force.  It doesn't sit in democratic elections once it has been elected.

Fascism is what happens when they can no longer ensure their power by fixing elections. What can't be done forever by propaganda and coercion will eventually be done by force. That's why Johnson, Trump, Bannon etc are proto-fascist.

GoblinAhFuckScary

this is the most indulgently bleak cab thread i've read in months yikes

Theremin

Quote from: An tSaoi on August 02, 2021, 04:51:13 PM
Oh I've just thought of one: no naturalisation without serving in the armed forces. "Service guarantees citizenship". It even has the snappy 3-word format that Boris loves.

That's genuinely a quote from Starship Troopers, a brilliant film on the facist mind

An tSaoi

That's why I quoted it.

Anyway, how long till hanging is brought back? 10 years I reckon.

Theremin


Blinder Data

still reckon there's a slim chance of a labour led minority government after the next UK GE. sexy ed davey smashing down the blue wall etc. it depends on when it's held (if 2023 then less likely) and whether the Tories knack of self preservation kicks in (they swap Johnson for dishy rishi).

otherwise the election after, maybe. we can but dream

TrenterPercenter

Quote from: Paul Calf on August 02, 2021, 07:41:36 PM
The authoritarianism that's heading our way will be different from Naziism, different from Stalinism - it's further right than either. There will be no social programmes - they'll all be cut. Nazis would kill the disabled and homeless but these neolib auths will imprison people for feeding them. What they have in common is eugenics. They just have different ways of achieving it. For now.

Fascism is what happens when they can no longer ensure their power by fixing elections. What can't be done forever by propaganda and coercion will eventually be done by force. That's why Johnson, Trump, Bannon etc are proto-fascist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYEuJ5u1K0

jamiefairlie

Quote from: An tSaoi on August 02, 2021, 08:09:11 PM
That's why I quoted it.

Anyway, how long till hanging is brought back? 10 years I reckon.

It would be interesting if Labour went for it before the Tories. That'd win back the red wall for sure.

TrenterPercenter

Yes but they would lose the big conurbations; there is still a lot of progressive votes about it is just divided.

Labour has to find policies with broad appeal.  Thankfully there are lots of them they can use their problem is an perceive obsessions with idpol and the problems that it creates by stratifying voting blocks into smaller groups (that then be played off against the majority by right-wingers).  There are a few solutions to this and non of them are predicated on throwing anyone "under the bus"; but you do need solutions to this rather than just ignoring it or going down the reactive route and playing into the right-wingers hands.

Paul Calf