GLINTENDO GC: Bananac*nt Cis Tory X: You can't spell MUMSNET without TEN

[Retinend]

- Sung Fairytale of New York at said event, pointedly leaving in the F-slur.

Actually, he doesn't sing the line (it was Kirsty MacColl's line, anyway, so not for him to sing): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw20iYDb1fM&t=134s


edit: since this is early in the thread, and I grabbed the top page, I'd like to repeat my observation that, as if it were directed so in a film, Linehan has become the thing he hated: the misogynist Gamergate colours are the same as the ones that feature in the new purple/green GC flag:

"GG" even resembles "GC"

edit 2: interesting aside: these colors stem from an old gay rape joke animated gif of two Dragon Ball Z characters, that was a popular form of "Rickrolling", so to speak, on 4chan. It was so violent and grotesque that, even when highly pixelated, the bobbing shapes in bright green and bright purple still gave the viewer a "dose" of the horror of the original. This is literally the origin of that colour choice: https://www.reddit.com/r/GGFreeForAll/comments/3ujo7c/the_purple_and_green_piccolo_dick_meme_goes_back/
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/daily-dose-piccolo-dick

[madhair60]

I'll strike it through in the next thread :)

[Barry Admin]

since this is early in the thread, and I grabbed the top page, I'd like to repeat my observation that, as if it were directed so in a film, Linehan has become the thing he hated: the misogynist Gamergate colours are the same as the ones featured in the new purple/green GC flag

I was going to mention GamerGate earlier, when people were discussing the nature of terfism. It strikes me that terfism/GC is propelled by the exact same kind of existential panic that fuelled most of GG.

"Waaah, waaah! I might have to share some of my toys, waaaaaaahhhhh!"

That, basically.

[Retinend]

As you can imagine, I have a ton to say about that. Suffice it to say I think you're exactly right, and that as GG was propelled by a sense that people were chipping away at what it meant to be a young male gamer, TERFdom is propelled by a sense that people are chipping away at what it means to be a female and a feminist. Not that that explains why Glinner has glommed onto it... I previously speculated that it might be because he associates his trans critics with the GamerGate trolls that had attacked women on twitter in 2014/5, from which he had been rewarded and praised as a valiant warrior for feminism. Both the GamerGaters and the TRAs attack him, so to him they are both the same enemy, to his mind.

[PlanktonSideburns]

Must get right up Glinner's pisser, seeing someone with the courage to publicly admit they were wrong about something.

...and then he turned back to his sisyporn quest, in which he hopes to turn the entire world against trans people, so that an episode of The IT Crowd might be perceived as being a bit less shit.

[Barry Admin]

Not that that explains why Glinner has glommed onto it... I previously speculated that it might be because he associates his trans critics with the GamerGate trolls that had attacked women on twitter in 2014/5, from which he had been rewarded and praised as a valiant warrior for feminism. Both the GamerGaters and the TRAs attack him, so to him they are both the same enemy, to his mind.

What really fascinates me, currently, is how he is behaving now he's managed to get some Twitter accounts again.

Obviously he spends a lot of time feeding his hyperfocus, and finding propaganda to stir up and share, but beyond that? What really seems to excite him is just the shitty, low-effort conflict. His bio states: "I honk at incels and handmaidens", and yeah, that's largely it. He rolls out the same crap clown GIFs and the same tired "incel" jabs, and little else - although, granted, he's probably restricting himself somewhat to try and remain on there. But still, it's just so... Dull. Shite snark and low-hanging fruit, with no urge to participate in meaningful discussion or whatever.

[phes]

frontal lobe atrophy and twitteritis. All evident in any conversation he has face to face with another human, that will devolve rapidly into him talking in non-sequitur tweets

[Sebastian Cobb]

What really fascinates me, currently, is how he is behaving now he's managed to get some Twitter accounts again.

Obviously he spends a lot of time feeding his hyperfocus, and finding propaganda to stir up and share, but beyond that? What really seems to excite him is just the shitty, low-effort conflict. His bio states: "I honk at incels and handmaidens", and yeah, that's largely it. He rolls out the same crap clown GIFs and the same tired "incel" jabs, and little else - although, granted, he'd probably restricting himself somewhat to try and remain on there. But still, it's just so... Dull. Shite snark and low-hanging fruit, with no urge to participate in meaningful discussion or whatever.

I wonder if he's addicted to the conflict in some way. We're well aware of the effect of dopamine releases and how it is used in the 'gamification' of things like mobile games, online gambling and people getting obsessed with getting likes on social media, I wonder if that's what he's getting from these abusive interactions?

[Perplexicon]

I was going to mention GamerGate earlier, when people were discussing the nature of terfism. It strikes me that terfism/GC is propelled by the exact same kind of existential panic that fuelled most of GG.

"Waaah, waaah! I might have to share some of my toys, waaaaaaahhhhh!"

That, basically.

I noted in the last thread that "actually it's being critical about gender roles" is the new "actually it's about ethics in game journalism". Even if 7/10 people see through it, that's still 3 new people they can recruit :|

[Kankurette]

I wonder if he's addicted to the conflict in some way. We're well aware of the effect of dopamine releases and how it is used in the 'gamification' of things like mobile games, online gambling and people getting obsessed with getting likes on social media, I wonder if that's what he's getting from these abusive interactions?

I wondered that myself. I have a friend who was massively into conspiracy theories and now GC politics has filled the void.

I'd love to know how these people challenge gender. I thought it was only the nasty woke blue hairs who did that kind of thing.

[Sebastian Cobb]

I wondered that myself. I have a friend who was massively into conspiracy theories and now GC politics has filled the void.

I'd love to know how these people challenge gender. I thought it was only the nasty woke blue hairs who did that kind of thing.

Well in the case of glinner I'd guess the GC stuff came first (motivated by the IT Crowd stuff and his fragile ego I guess) and then he got addicted to the conflict. In the case of his conflicts themselves he's not even attempting to make reasoned arguments (even if we accept they are wrong) he's just hurling insults at people.

It would be interesting to see if he showed any of the same conflict tendencies when he involved himself in Gamergate, I wasn't really paying any attention to him then so have no idea.

[phes]

Glinner went ALL IN on twitter. Remember he described it as an extension of his central nervous system. I have no doubt at all that he's hopelessly addicted to the gameification in the same way that some people get desperately and destructively addicted to slot machines, but it has the additional aspect thrown in that he invested heavily and it turned on him. It's like he is going through the most painful, public and humiliating bereavement. Trans people are just an aside. I have never seen someone so desperately in need of therapy in my life

[Gambrinus]

It's not quite at the same level but I had to delete my Twitter account because I was spending far,far too much time arguing with the utter dregs of humanity.

I then had to block twitter.com on my phone because I was still spending far too much time in the browser scrolling through old accounts I used to follow and getting OUTRAGED on their behalf.

And I never even signed up to it until 2014 and didn't have more then about 150 followers at most. God knows how I'd have been if I'd been on it since day 1, with celebrity, and a million followers.

He needs some kind of Internet Addiction treatment, if such a thing exists.

[RHX]

Must get right up Glinner's pisser, seeing someone with the courage to publicly admit they were wrong about something.

...and then he turned back to his sisyphean quest, in which he hopes to turn the entire world against trans people, so that an episode of The IT Crowd might be perceived as being a bit less shit.

I can't help but be curious how much his brain would implode on itself if such a horrible thing were to happen, everyone was to stand down and tell him that he was right all along, only to then follow it up with "but that episode of IT Crowd was still shite."

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

It's not quite at the same level but I had to delete my Twitter account because I was spending far,far too much time arguing with the utter dregs of humanity.

I then had to block twitter.com on my phone because I was still spending far too much time in the browser scrolling through old accounts I used to follow and getting OUTRAGED on their behalf.

And I never even signed up to it until 2014 and didn't have more then about 150 followers at most. God knows how I'd have been if I'd been on it since day 1, with celebrity, and a million followers.

He needs some kind of Internet Addiction treatment, if such a thing exists.

I don't have a Twitter account because I absolutely know I'd disappear into a hole of constantly arguing with people. I'm bad enough on internet forums and subreddits where you have to actually go to the website to see if anyone replied. If my phone was constantly pinging at me I'd never be off the damn thing. The best thing Twitter ever did was require a phone number to sign up because I am not linking my real name or contact details to the Internet Argument Facilitator. "Yes trolls please doxx me and come to my house, that would be delightful". No way.

[phes]

Likewise, deleted my twitter and Facebook some time ago because I realised that they play on urges to overly engage in stuff such as is talked about here. These threads meet a desire to know more and a draw to keep up with this creepy fuck, without playing me.

[greencalx]

I once posted a tweet that kept attracting likes and retweets over a couple of days. It really drove me mad in the end. I have no idea how people with thousands of followers deal with it. By paying someone I guess.

[Poirots BigGarlickyCorpse]

Likewise, deleted my twitter and Facebook some time ago because I realised that they play on stuff that draws me to stuff such has is talked about here. These threads meet a desire to know more and a draw to keep up with this creepy fuck, without playing me.

Funny enough, it's easier for me to refrain from arguments on Facebook because it's under my real name and I know all my "friends" in real life. So a) I don't want to get into a written argument with them that's there forever b) my friends have the same views as me c) if I do decide to argue with a stranger, say in a memes group, I choose my words more carefully because oh hey look there's my face and there's my mother a click away.

EDIT: greencalx, I'd imagine any celebrity who has any sense or at least has a manager/agent with any sense has a "social media manager" to mind their Twitter and make sure they don't tweet anything stupid or controversial.

[buttgammon]

Despite mentioning the ire I got on Twitter, I'm kept in check on there by my fear of confrontation and the fact that I use my real name in a semi-professional capacity, so I'd be ruining my (admittedly, very slim) chances of a career in academia if I went around calling people cunts. There was no urge to reply to these people for these reasons, and also because they seem stupid enough that there's no point. I can see how it would be potentially addictive for someone in a different position, but at the same time, Linehan is far beyond this point, especially because he's clearly rejected many attempts to help and intervene from concerned friends, and also because of the deleterious effect his behaviour has on many innocent people.

[chveik]

i'm already addicted to this place so twitter would be the death of me

[Alberon]

I've got a twitter account but I never use it much beyond the odd customer service enquiry. Facebook I only have for family stuff. I'd never want to interact with people I don't know on there.

I used to get a twitter-like fix arguing with creationists and the like on usenet, utterly pointless of course just as Twitter is today.

These days the only internet site I'm obsessed with is a weird little forum filled with bald, failed comedy writers.

[idunnosomename]

lmao



upset graham's burner goose account hasn't gone yet, since all it's doing is abusing people and being very Graham Linehan

[evilcommiedictator]

Wonder if we could just get Glinner hooked on modding healthy young breasts into Skyrim or into Stardew Valley, then he could do that and not bother the rest of us

[Kankurette]

Likewise, deleted my twitter and Facebook some time ago because I realised that they play on urges to overly engage in stuff such as is talked about here. These threads meet a desire to know more and a draw to keep up with this creepy fuck, without playing me.

Me too. I'm better off without Facebook. It's a pit of vipers.

[Barry Admin]

Twitter and Facebook were really unhealthy for me. I've said before that I felt the former slowly changing my personality. Then I rebounded a bit when I got off it and went a bit anti-SJW for a while on here 😅

I fucking hate retweets and likes and karma and thumbs up culture, right? But it gets it's hooks into you anyway, that's why it's used. Ugh, I'd even monitor my unfollowers with a third party site.

Some folks just aren't built for social networking. Mr Linehan's trans obsession legitimises and fuels his twitter addiction - having a "worthy" excuse to sit on twitter for 20 hours a day probably drives him as much as the criticism of that IT Crowd episode does. I think trans people are basically collateral damage for a guy with some kind of Superman complex.

He said to Arty Morty, "I expected to have this 'gender debate' wrapped up within a couple of months of entering it", because of his clout, you know?

Apparently he did used to be a genuinely good and helpful dude; I read some guy saying Glinner had put the word round about his board game shop when he heard it was going out of business. But the almighty bum-kissing from the Glincels on Twitter has ruined him.

[phes]

It's not like Graham is incapable of acts that's might help people. What if the board game shop had posted 'that was a sub par episode of Father Ted'. We would be in a world of Gamephobia right now and Linehan would be calling them a disgrace for stabbing him in the back and trying to get dice banned. It's all transactions to him

[Barry Admin]

Fucking Ludo incels trew me under d'bus

Yeah fair point. Even IT Crowd series 1 seemed transactional; remember how he built each episode round a guest star/mate, like Danny Walllace, even if they were shit and couldn't act, like Danny Walllace.

[DJ Bob Hoskins]

Perhaps the most crazy part of this whole thing is how he managed to not only ruin his professional and personal life, but also reach the point where his allies seem to be distancing themselves from him. This in a climate where intolerance and right-wing ideology are so commonplace and 'acceptable' that even explicit proponents of gender discrimination can still get a column in The Guardian.

Cf. Ricky Gervais: He got called out on some of his past material being insensitive to people with disabilities. Despite his reputation for being 'provocative' on Twitter (read: being a thin-skinned arsehole who would set his followers on anyone who disagreed with him) he chose to double down not by asking Billy Bragg why he didn't speak out about the abuse Jim Davidson gets from the wokerati, but by making 2 whole series of Simple Jack. He subsequently got paid $40m by Netflix to push the comedy envelope with such material as the 'Caitlin Jenner used to be called Bruce so now I identify as a chimp!' routine.

So I guess what I'm saying is: Glinner and Gervais are both cunts, but only one of them realised that you can have your cunty cake and eat it, and sleeps in a Manhattan penthouse on a big pile of money instead of a racecar bed in Norwich.

[Sebastian Cobb]

I think most classical puncher down comedians don't actively obsess over their targets... mostly I guess they're just indifferent to people they're throwing under the bus rather than consumed by certain groups (although i'm sure there are other bigot comedians that target specific groups).

[Sonny_Jim]

Graham has done a big stinky journalism about how to complain to the BBC:

no one wants to talk about [being a gigantic transphobe] because anyone who tries has their life or reputation destroyed—and of course that often amounts to the same thing. I'm talking about Jess De Wahls, Maya Forstater, Stella O' Malley, Meghan Murphy, Lisa Keogh, Marion Millar, Raquel Rosario Sánchez and the countless women, gay men and trans people banned from Twitter for the crime of standing up for themselves

He thinks if someone gets kicked off Twitter, that's what destroys their life and their reputation, not the TERF brain worms inside their head.

Just imagine thinking that Twitter is your entire life.

Let that sink in for a bit.....

Remember Pink News doing 42 stories on Rowling in a single week? If they haven't already destroyed her life, you can't deny they gave it their best shot.

Ah yes, JK Rowling famously has had her multi-million pound, living-in-castles lifestyle destroyed by those 42 stories.

I cannot support a BBC that presents a straight couple to toddlers and calls them lesbians.

Long time readers of these threads might recall an instance where CBeebies posted a video to their social media channels about a lesbian couple[nb]One of them was trans, which is the only reason why Graham gave a shit[/nb].  Graham is such a fucking Boomer he thinks that toddlers use Facebook and Twitter.  He's still banging on about this.

He then outlines his personal argument tactics:

To escalate a complaint with the BBC you need to add something at each stage.

Therefore, make sure you add a new element e.g. "The BBC is taking an editorial position as soon as it describes Hubbard with female pronouns, or describes Hubbard as a woman."

If and when they fob you off a second time, add something - anything - else that is new. For example, the use of "cis". Or the presentation of 'the science', or the lack of links to the studies, or the failure to question the statistics, or the decision not to make the Martina documentary available. The Hubbard article was 3,000 words long, and most of it was fawning, ideological bullshit. So there's plenty of scope here.

By repeating the process, it will eventually reach the Executive Complaints Unit and stand a chance of being properly assessed.

So, keep pushing them - and focus on one thing at a time. Highlight one bias or inaccuracy at a time, and keep the pressure on them.

This completely explains his ability to go off on random tangents that have a well worn path in his brain.  He thinks it doesn't matter if what you are saying is completely unrelated to the original argument, if you just keep on piling on horseshit then eventually you win.

What a banana....